Ok. Sounds like a fine bet. Maybe we should add it to our signatures as a reminder.Superbone wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2019 12:03 pmAlright, how about a one month avatar shame on the line starting next July 1?Wormwood wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2019 11:51 amI'll happily go less than 30 wins on a bet.Superbone wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2019 11:19 amBet! You're at least 5 wins short.Wormwood wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2019 10:50 amYep. Onward and upward to 25 wins and another 5 year rebuilding process.The Bobster wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 3:25 pmI guess we can pretty much close the book on the McDonough disaster now.
Seriously, this is a 25 win team. The Rubio and Ayton don't stretch the court well enough to make the roster concept work.
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Done!Wormwood wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2019 12:22 pmOk. Sounds like a fine bet. Maybe we should add it to our signatures as a reminder.
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Ah we will miss glorius days of Knight trade, Toronto and Boston manipulation and great picks in top 10.
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I want some of this action. I'm with Super, this team is vastly improved.
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This is how we operate. And it has been that way for a year, with only one or two exceptions. I'm not even mad anymore. I just hope we're done.
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I'd give Carter a pass for last season. He really didn't see quality minutes; plus he may just need time to adjust (ANOTHER example of a "NBA ready," "experienced" college player being bad at the beginning of his pro career). I liked his 3-point shot, defense, and toughness in college, so I'm hoping there is still a chance that translates to the NBA.
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I hope this is where they set the line in Vegas because if so, I'm doubling up from last year.
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Trendon Watford. Please and thank you.
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He does look about as old as Vince. Maybe they’re twins!
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Jevon Carter won’t be in the opening roster. He’s the 2019-20 George King.
What are we waiting for on Oubre again? And no Kawhi is not an answer. Either extend him or don’t. If you don’t then trade him. It’s simple.
Dither, dither dither. Here we are again.
What are we waiting for on Oubre again? And no Kawhi is not an answer. Either extend him or don’t. If you don’t then trade him. It’s simple.
Dither, dither dither. Here we are again.
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But it is the answer. That has to happen before the rest of the pieces fall into place. Oubre’s camp wants to make sure he gets the best deal possible and that can’t be known until Leonard makes his decision.
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Yes, Oubre not being resigned yet gives me some hope the contract won't be terrible. On the other hand, it might mean his expectations are waaaaay to high.
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Worm won this deal if he said 25 wins and then you gave him 29.5.Wormwood wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2019 11:51 amI'll happily go less than 30 wins on a bet.Superbone wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2019 11:19 amBet! You're at least 5 wins short.Wormwood wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2019 10:50 amYep. Onward and upward to 25 wins and another 5 year rebuilding process.The Bobster wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 3:25 pmI guess we can pretty much close the book on the McDonough disaster now.
Seriously, this is a 25 win team. The Rubio and Ayton don't stretch the court well enough to make the roster concept work.
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Sounds like somebody wants in on the action. I’ll give you 25 wins. Also, if the Suns end up winning 29.5 games, I’ll eat my hat.Indy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:00 pmWorm won this deal if he said 25 wins and then you gave him 29.5.Wormwood wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2019 11:51 amI'll happily go less than 30 wins on a bet.Superbone wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2019 11:19 amBet! You're at least 5 wins short.Wormwood wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2019 10:50 amYep. Onward and upward to 25 wins and another 5 year rebuilding process.The Bobster wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 3:25 pmI guess we can pretty much close the book on the McDonough disaster now.
Seriously, this is a 25 win team. The Rubio and Ayton don't stretch the court well enough to make the roster concept work.
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I'm pretty convinced the Suns will win 35 games this year. They will be better at every position for the entire year except SG:
PG - Last year: G-league level talent(who?), Johnson(late acquisition, hurt)) - This year: Rubio(well-respected NBA talent that can distribute), Johnson(healthy?), Jerome(rookie, NBA ready?)
SG - Booker - 'nuf said
SF - Last year: TJ Warren(sometimes/injured), Bridges(rookie), Oubre(late season acquisition), Jackson(headcase) - This year: Oubre(acclimated), Bridges(a year better), Johnson(rookie, NBA ready?), no Jackson(addition by subtraction)
PF - Last year: hmmm, Nobody? - This year Saric(another well respected NBA talent), Kaminsky, Spalding
C - Last year: Ayton(rookie, no facilitator, a coach that had no idea how to use him), Holmes(high energy back-up) - This year: Ayton(a year better, a PG that can pass to him, and a coach that will put him in the right places on the court), Baynes(high energy back-up)
Coach - Last year: Igor(poor communicator, not a leader, career assistant) - This year: Williams(excellent communicator, a leader, head coaching experience)
Intangibles - Last year: never heard about chemistry/questionable - This year: already hearing about a bond between Booker and Ayton. Oubre brings chemistry and drive.
How can they not be 15-20 games better than last year?
On a side note: I have watched some Ty Jerome highlights and see Steve Nash. The way he moves on the court, his shots, etc. Does anyone else see that?
PG - Last year: G-league level talent(who?), Johnson(late acquisition, hurt)) - This year: Rubio(well-respected NBA talent that can distribute), Johnson(healthy?), Jerome(rookie, NBA ready?)
SG - Booker - 'nuf said
SF - Last year: TJ Warren(sometimes/injured), Bridges(rookie), Oubre(late season acquisition), Jackson(headcase) - This year: Oubre(acclimated), Bridges(a year better), Johnson(rookie, NBA ready?), no Jackson(addition by subtraction)
PF - Last year: hmmm, Nobody? - This year Saric(another well respected NBA talent), Kaminsky, Spalding
C - Last year: Ayton(rookie, no facilitator, a coach that had no idea how to use him), Holmes(high energy back-up) - This year: Ayton(a year better, a PG that can pass to him, and a coach that will put him in the right places on the court), Baynes(high energy back-up)
Coach - Last year: Igor(poor communicator, not a leader, career assistant) - This year: Williams(excellent communicator, a leader, head coaching experience)
Intangibles - Last year: never heard about chemistry/questionable - This year: already hearing about a bond between Booker and Ayton. Oubre brings chemistry and drive.
How can they not be 15-20 games better than last year?
On a side note: I have watched some Ty Jerome highlights and see Steve Nash. The way he moves on the court, his shots, etc. Does anyone else see that?
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Yes, there are a couple things I've seen from him that remind me of Steve. Passing with the left hand when you only have that split second during transition. The shot feels similar. I'm worried about his athletic limitations. His arms are short, like really short. He's also fairly slow. He has to shoot well or he's never going to get by his man when they give him space.SunsRIt wrote: On a side note: I have watched some Ty Jerome highlights and see Steve Nash. The way he moves on the court, his shots, etc. Does anyone else see that?
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Great post, and I agree with just about all of it. We will be much better.SunsRIt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:12 pmI'm pretty convinced the Suns will win 35 games this year. They will be better at every position for the entire year except SG:
PG - Last year: G-league level talent(who?), Johnson(late acquisition, hurt)) - This year: Rubio(well-respected NBA talent that can distribute), Johnson(healthy?), Jerome(rookie, NBA ready?)
SG - Booker - 'nuf said
SF - Last year: TJ Warren(sometimes/injured), Bridges(rookie), Oubre(late season acquisition), Jackson(headcase) - This year: Oubre(acclimated), Bridges(a year better), Johnson(rookie, NBA ready?), no Jackson(addition by subtraction)
PF - Last year: hmmm, Nobody? - This year Saric(another well respected NBA talent), Kaminsky, Spalding
C - Last year: Ayton(rookie, no facilitator, a coach that had no idea how to use him), Holmes(high energy back-up) - This year: Ayton(a year better, a PG that can pass to him, and a coach that will put him in the right places on the court), Baynes(high energy back-up)
Coach - Last year: Igor(poor communicator, not a leader, career assistant) - This year: Williams(excellent communicator, a leader, head coaching experience)
Intangibles - Last year: never heard about chemistry/questionable - This year: already hearing about a bond between Booker and Ayton. Oubre brings chemistry and drive.
How can they not be 15-20 games better than last year?
On a side note: I have watched some Ty Jerome highlights and see Steve Nash. The way he moves on the court, his shots, etc. Does anyone else see that?
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Worm said 25 then you said I will bet you they win 30. If Worm was confident, he should stick with 25. Or at least go with <=25 Work wins, >=30 you win, and it is a draw in the middle.Superbone wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:37 pmSounds like somebody wants in on the action. I’ll give you 25 wins. Also, if the Suns end up winning 29.5 games, I’ll eat my hat.
For the record, I think we will be around 31 or 32.
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Well, that contradicts what you said above. Sounds like you're on my side.Indy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:15 amWorm said 25 then you said I will bet you they win 30. If Worm was confident, he should stick with 25. Or at least go with <=25 Work wins, >=30 you win, and it is a draw in the middle.
For the record, I think we will be around 31 or 32.
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NOT playing Josh should gain us about 5 wins.
Chandler and Anderson cost us a couple games.
Then there is actually having a point guard. That should be a plus 5 or 6
And Ayton should be better. Plus 2-3
Losing TJ will cost us a couple games. -2 or 3
So 32 games.
Chandler and Anderson cost us a couple games.
Then there is actually having a point guard. That should be a plus 5 or 6
And Ayton should be better. Plus 2-3
Losing TJ will cost us a couple games. -2 or 3
So 32 games.