Everybody is destroying JR Smith for that last play. But how about George Hill for blowing the free throw that probably would have won Cleveland the game?
I also see people mad about a reviewed call to change a charge by Durant into a block by Lebron. I have a pretty strong bias toward "The Warriors." ...
Fixed that for you.
Rules are rules. They are not supposed to change that call, only to look and see if in restricted area. If that’s what they want to do, they should change the rule.
Rules are rules. So you're glad that Amare and Diaw got suspended? That was the right call? You want Kevin Love suspended now?
The rules allow refs to review various calls in the last two minutes, with a fairly loose definition that let them review this particular call. Their initial call was wrong. They changed it to the right call. I just don't see how you can be so upset that a correct call was made. "You can't review that!" rings hollow to me. The call-review system is especially comprehensive toward calls made in the last two minutes of a game, since those plays can disproportionately affect the outcome of the game. This is exactly the sort of situation where review is helpful. And they turned an incorrect call into a correct call. If you want to be mad about that, go ahead.
I may be rooting for the Warriors, but I'm not blindly anti-Cavs. I was awed by Lebron's Game 1 performance, one of the best playoff individual performances I have ever seen. And I don't want Kevin Love to be suspended; it would be silly to do so. I also think it's wrong to pile on JR for one mistake. The outcome of that game came down to several plays and other factors. His lack of a shot didn't single-handedly lose them the game. They could have made Hill's FT, or they could have won in OT, or a number of other things could have gone the other way. JR overall is giving them good minutes, and hanging him out to dry doesn't help them in the rest of the series.
I didn’t see Kevin Loves incident live so when I looked back I realized he was already on the court. Yes, by the rule I agree with Amare and Diaw suspensions. The problem is it is not consistently enforced and it is a dumb rule. If you have a problem with the rule, it should be changed. But they should follow rules.
The Lebron scenario was absolutely ridiculous. To review that play under the mask of checking to see if he was in the restricted area was a joke- he was nowhere near it. If you want to be able to just strictly review blocking and charging calls then make it a replay ability- to pretend like the reason you’re reviewing is to see if it’s restricted is a complete abuse of the rules as written.
The Lebron scenario was absolutely ridiculous. To review that play under the mask of checking to see if he was in the restricted area was a joke- he was nowhere near it. If you want to be able to just strictly review blocking and charging calls then make it a replay ability- to pretend like the reason you’re reviewing is to see if it’s restricted is a complete abuse of the rules as written.
Exactly.
"Too little, too late, too unbothered."
- Phoenix Suns 2023-2024 season motto.
If Lebron keeps up his incredible standard for the rest of the series, but the Cavs lose easily (4-1 or swept), do you think he'll be named Finals MVP? Has anyone from the losing team ever won Finals MVP?
LeBron got serious consideration (and votes) for Finals MVP in 2015.
To answer Gladdy’s question, if he keeps up his incredible 51/8/8 standard for the rest of the series, he’ll be Finals MVP, win or lose. But I’m pretty sure that not even King James can pull that off.
His playoff totals come close enough - 41.6 Min, .546 FG%, .350 3P%, .737 FT%, 9.2 Reb, 8.7 AST, 34.9 Pts
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If Lebron keeps up his incredible standard for the rest of the series, but the Cavs lose easily (4-1 or swept), do you think he'll be named Finals MVP? Has anyone from the losing team ever won Finals MVP?
LeBron got serious consideration (and votes) for Finals MVP in 2015.
To answer Gladdy’s question, if he keeps up his incredible 51/8/8 standard for the rest of the series, he’ll be Finals MVP, win or lose. But I’m pretty sure that not even King James can pull that off.
You think so even in a 4 game sweep?
"Too little, too late, too unbothered."
- Phoenix Suns 2023-2024 season motto.
His playoff totals come close enough - 41.6 Min, .546 FG%, .350 3P%, .737 FT%, 9.2 Reb, 8.7 AST, 34.9 Pts
That is just ridiculous.
Also, when is the last time a guy 33 years old lead the league in minutes played?
In his 15th season no less.
How many more seasons is he going to go? Imagine 5 more. He'll hold almost every record available. I'm too lazy to look up if he would pass KAJ for the all-time scoring record.
"Too little, too late, too unbothered."
- Phoenix Suns 2023-2024 season motto.
If he plays 5 seasons and averages 75 games a year, he'd pass Kareem averaging 20 points a game.
You gotta think he's got at least two more years at 25+ ppg, if he can average 25 ppg, he can pass Kareem in 4 years. Barring injury, I think LeBron for sure passes Kareem and I think he might be our first 40,000 point scorer.
If he plays 5 seasons and averages 75 games a year, he'd pass Kareem averaging 20 points a game.
You gotta think he's got at least two more years at 25+ ppg, if he can average 25 ppg, he can pass Kareem in 4 years. Barring injury, I think LeBron for sure passes Kareem and I think he might be our first 40,000 point scorer.
Thanks Split! Good stuff.
"Too little, too late, too unbothered."
- Phoenix Suns 2023-2024 season motto.
If Lebron keeps up his incredible standard for the rest of the series, but the Cavs lose easily (4-1 or swept), do you think he'll be named Finals MVP? Has anyone from the losing team ever won Finals MVP?
LeBron got serious consideration (and votes) for Finals MVP in 2015.
To answer Gladdy’s question, if he keeps up his incredible 51/8/8 standard for the rest of the series, he’ll be Finals MVP, win or lose. But I’m pretty sure that not even King James can pull that off.
You think so even in a 4 game sweep?
For averaging 51/8/8? Yup.
If he plays that brilliantly and still gets swept, the implication is that the series without him would have been Globetrotters vs Generals minus the fun. If he has to average 51/8/8 just to make the series watchable, and does, then he’s the most valuable player on the court.
That being said, I don’t think he’s going to average 51/8/8. But if he does, he’s the FMVP.
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LeBron got serious consideration (and votes) for Finals MVP in 2015.
To answer Gladdy’s question, if he keeps up his incredible 51/8/8 standard for the rest of the series, he’ll be Finals MVP, win or lose. But I’m pretty sure that not even King James can pull that off.
You think so even in a 4 game sweep?
For averaging 51/8/8? Yup.
If he plays that brilliantly and still gets swept, the implication is that the series without him would have been Globetrotters vs Generals minus the fun. If he has to average 51/8/8 just to make the series watchable, and does, then he’s the most valuable player on the court.
If that happens, I guess it would make his teammates share least valuable player "honors."
"Too little, too late, too unbothered."
- Phoenix Suns 2023-2024 season motto.
You just knew it was Wilt Chamberlain, right? The season he averaged 48.5 minutes he sat out only 8 minutes all season - because he was ejected from a game.
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Not sure if I'm impressed by wilt's ability/endurance or if it makes me realize Wilt spent a lot of minutes just coasting because the competition was weak.
Not sure if I'm impressed by wilt's ability/endurance or if it makes me realize Wilt spent a lot of minutes just coasting because the competition was weak.
They called him Goliath for a reason. Physically, nobody was close to him. But still, averaging 50 points and 25 boards while “coasting” is incredible.
Not sure if I'm impressed by wilt's ability/endurance or if it makes me realize Wilt spent a lot of minutes just coasting because the competition was weak.
They called him Goliath for a reason. Physically, nobody was close to him. But still, averaging 50 points and 25 boards while “coasting” is incredible.
For sure, I think for guys like me who weren't alive in the Russell/Wilt era it's really hard to grasp what those guys did. 50 points a game is so unrealistic in today's game that we don't know how to process it. We just have to say, "different era, the game was different back then." Which is a true statement but it just essentially ignores/discredits the accomplishment. What's the equivalent in today's game? I have no idea. So the best I can say is Wilt and Russell were the best of their era, but they're impossible to compare to modern NBA players.
Not sure if I'm impressed by wilt's ability/endurance or if it makes me realize Wilt spent a lot of minutes just coasting because the competition was weak.
They called him Goliath for a reason. Physically, nobody was close to him. But still, averaging 50 points and 25 boards while “coasting” is incredible.
For sure, I think for guys like me who weren't alive in the Russell/Wilt era it's really hard to grasp what those guys did. 50 points a game is so unrealistic in today's game that we don't know how to process it. We just have to say, "different era, the game was different back then." Which is a true statement but it just essentially ignores/discredits the accomplishment. What's the equivalent in today's game? I have no idea. So the best I can say is Wilt and Russell were the best of their era, but they're impossible to compare to modern NBA players.
In the infamous Fort Wayne vs Minneapolis game, the Lakers played five players.
Of course, that game was mostly just standing around.
