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Re: Around the League: Week 23 3/27 - 4/2
Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 7:59 pm
by pickle
Does anyone think that Lillard is a better comp for Booker than Klay at this point? Booker is not as much of a no conscience gunner, but he has been showcasing similar range lately. Also same type of turnstile on D.
Re: Around the League: Week 23 3/27 - 4/2
Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 8:07 pm
by ShelC
I don't like either comp. Booker's got better handles and can be a distributor that Klay isn't. Klay is a pure shooter. Booker has range like Lillard, but Lillard can be a pure scorer when he's on. Not sure Booker can get unconscious like that, not yet at least. Dame's just got "it" when he's hot. I still like the Brandon Roy comparisons for Book.
Re: Around the League: Week 23 3/27 - 4/2
Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 8:11 pm
by Shabazz
Players should get an extra personal foul if the game goes to OT.
Re: Around the League: Week 23 3/27 - 4/2
Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 8:31 pm
by Mori Chu
A simple way to fix the foul-out problem would be that for every foul beyond 6, it's treated almost like a flagrant foul, where the opposing team gets 2 shots and the ball. That's a stiff penalty for a guy committing fouls beyond 6, but at least he can stay on the floor if the coach wants him to. If some player got a ridiculous amount of fouls like 10 or 20 or whatever, they could still have a foul-out threshold way up there somewhere, or could convert fouls into actual flagrants beyond that threshold, so that he'd get tossed at some point.
Re: Around the League: Week 23 3/27 - 4/2
Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 8:33 pm
by Split T
The klay comp isn't very accurate at all. I guess they are similar sized and can shoot. Both can be very streaky. Klay is quite a bit better overall as a shooter though. College booker looked a little like klay, but that changed in the NBA.
I think booker, at least statistically, projects to be similar to Derozan with 3 point range. Both are great scorers with limited peripheral stats. I still have hope that booker develops as a play maker.
Re: Around the League: Week 23 3/27 - 4/2
Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 8:33 pm
by pickle
I don't think the current foul out situation needs fixing. You commit over a certain number of fouls, you are penalized. What's wrong with that?
Re: Around the League: Week 23 3/27 - 4/2
Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 8:35 pm
by Superbone
pickle wrote:I don't think the current foul out situation needs fixing. You commit over a certain number of fouls, you are penalized. What's wrong with that?
I'm with you.
Re: Around the League: Week 23 3/27 - 4/2
Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 8:40 pm
by Mori Chu
This Lakers/Wolves game, wow. Tied up with 2:30 left. Thibs and the Wolves going all out trying to win. Lakers stumbling along and still tied. C'mon, Lakers, you can win this!
Re: Around the League: Week 23 3/27 - 4/2
Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 8:50 pm
by Cap
What a fun finish! Lakers win with the lucky bounce!
Re: Around the League: Week 23 3/27 - 4/2
Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 8:54 pm
by EDC
Wow. I looked at the score on reddit and the Lakers were down 2 with 8 seconds to go and figured we were screwed.
Checked ESPN and they won. Amazing.
Re: Around the League: Week 23 3/27 - 4/2
Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 9:04 pm
by Mori Chu
Booyakasha!
Re: Around the League: Week 23 3/27 - 4/2
Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 9:35 pm
by Superbone
I actually felt good for Russell. He lost his grandmother earlier in the day.
Re: Around the League: Week 23 3/27 - 4/2
Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 9:47 pm
by Superbone
Superbone wrote:Wow. Cavs just had an epic meltdown. They had a big lead late in the fourth and blew it. The Hawks took their FIRST lead of the game with 1:12 left in OT and just won the game. Wow.
I didn't realize how epic the meltdown actually was. The Cavs were up 26 entering the fourth quarter. I think I heard that the Hawks are one of only three teams that have come back from 25+ entering the fourth quarter.
Re: Around the League: Week 23 3/27 - 4/2
Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 10:00 pm
by The Bobster
This was the third-largest lead after three quarters by a team that ended up losing a game -
LARGEST BLOWN LEAD AFTER THIRD QUARTER
28 - @ATL 104, MIL 76 - 25Nov77 - MIL 117, ATL 115
27 - DAL 88, @LAL 61 - 6Dec02 - LAL 105, DAL 103
26 - CLE 93, @ATL 67 - 9Apr17 - ATL 126, CLE 125 [OT]
23 - @MEM 89, LAL 66 - 3Apr03 - LAL 102, MEM 101
22 - CLE 89, @PHI 67 - 20Feb77 - PHI 112, CLE 111
21 - @BAL 106, STL 85 - 17Feb67 - STL 133, BAL 132
21 - CHA 89, @CHI 68 - 2Nov05 - CHI 109, CHA 105
21 - @ATL 93, UTH 72 - 20Dec06 - UTH 112, ATL 106
Re: Around the League: Week 23 3/27 - 4/2
Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 10:27 pm
by Split T
Atlanta had 67 points after 3 quarters and finished with 126!?! 59 points in the 4th + OT is impressive
Re: Around the League: Week 23 3/27 - 4/2
Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:03 am
by Mori Chu
I still think the Cavs will kick it into another gear for the playoffs. But this is not a good end to the season for them, and that's putting it mildly.
Re: Around the League: Week 23 3/27 - 4/2
Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 6:24 am
by The Bobster
Superbone wrote:pickle wrote:I don't think the current foul out situation needs fixing. You commit over a certain number of fouls, you are penalized. What's wrong with that?
I'm with you.
I like how the ABA did it where the player could stay in the game but each subsequent foul came with a technical foul. There was still a risk for leaving him in the game and a penalty if he commits a seventh foul.
Re: Around the League: Week 23 3/27 - 4/2
Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:01 am
by Indy
The Bobster wrote:Superbone wrote:pickle wrote:I don't think the current foul out situation needs fixing. You commit over a certain number of fouls, you are penalized. What's wrong with that?
I'm with you.
I like how the ABA did it where the player could stay in the game but each subsequent foul came with a technical foul. There was still a risk for leaving him in the game and a penalty if he commits a seventh foul.
Considering a bad call or two from a ref can take your best player out of the game, I agree that it would be better this way. Especially since those types of calls are not review-able.
Re: Around the League: Week 23 3/27 - 4/2
Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:05 am
by O_Gardino
EDC wrote:I still think fouling out shouldn't be a thing. It is stupid that fans pay big money to watch some players that end up being sidelined by early calls that could go either way. It just hurts the brand and doesn't give the fans what they want to see.
Refs are not perfect and a mistake at the wrong time has too big of an impact. Minimizing it is important. We would still have end of the game calls that have big impact but at least the best players aren't side lined for most of the game because of a call.
This would also lessen the effect of superstar calls. Refs let the stars get away with things because they are worried about fouling them out of a game.
The NBA just needs to find another way of punishing teams for fouling too much. They could easily come up with something else.
There would be so many more fouls. FT% would be so much more important. No thanks.
Re: Around the League: Week 23 3/27 - 4/2
Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:21 am
by EDC
I dunno about that. You could easily scale the penalty to make it really costly to the other team. You could even remove free throws from the penalty. Non shooting foul over say 5 would give the other team 1 point and the ball. Non shooting foul over 6 is 2 points for the other team and the ball.
You could definitely curb the fouling by increasing the penalty.
The whole point of a system like this is to reduce the impact of bad calls on the out come of the game. The refs aren't perfect. I also feel that it would free them up to not have to worry about who has fouled who and just call the game as they see it.