Re: Free Agent Targets
Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:11 pm
Woj & Lowe have a FA show on ESPN 2. Just set up a recording for later tonight.
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Re: Free Agent Targets
Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:24 pm
I don't think anyone is taking Jackson without getting back a future asset, possibly in addition to either Melton or Okobo.
Re: Free Agent Targets
Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:32 pm
In this case we're taking on the additional salary, and a significant amount. Also, adding Okobo (who I'd happily include) or Melton (who I'd be reluctant to) defeats the purpose of the trade for Miami unless they really value either of those two.Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:24 pmI don't think anyone is taking Jackson without getting back a future asset, possibly in addition to either Melton or Okobo.
Re: Free Agent Targets
Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:01 pm
If the Nets move on from DLo for Kyrie/KD, he will be an unrestricted free agent since they'll renounce his rights. So we would only have to stretch Tyler if we knew he was coming here.Split T wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:19 pm1. We gotta check on Brogdon and D-Lo. If they want to sign, I think you have to waive and stretch Tyler and make an offer. Both are restricted, D-Lo seems attainable as Nets have Kyrie/KD dreams. Brogdon seems unlikely to be let go by Milwaukee. Either scenario is dangerous as we may end up waiving and stretching Tyler for no reason.
Re: Free Agent Targets
Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:32 pm
The Suns could afford to dump both in this trade since they have 5 PGs on contract right now.Shabazz wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:32 pmIn this case we're taking on the additional salary, and a significant amount. Also, adding Okobo (who I'd happily include) or Melton (who I'd be reluctant to) defeats the purpose of the trade for Miami unless they really value either of those two.Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:24 pmI don't think anyone is taking Jackson without getting back a future asset, possibly in addition to either Melton or Okobo.
Talk about having most of you money tied up in the backcourt. Almost $70 mil in PG and SG.
Re: Free Agent Targets
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 4:01 am
And only one clear cut starter quality player for all that cash...In2ition wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:32 pmThe Suns could afford to dump both in this trade since they have 5 PGs on contract right now.Shabazz wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:32 pmIn this case we're taking on the additional salary, and a significant amount. Also, adding Okobo (who I'd happily include) or Melton (who I'd be reluctant to) defeats the purpose of the trade for Miami unless they really value either of those two.Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:24 pmI don't think anyone is taking Jackson without getting back a future asset, possibly in addition to either Melton or Okobo.
Talk about having most of you money tied up in the backcourt. Almost $70 mil in PG and SG.
Re: Free Agent Targets
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 4:20 am
Not necessarily. I believe you could decline the last two years of his contract, stretch and waive him.Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:24 pmI don't think anyone is taking Jackson without getting back a future asset, possibly in addition to either Melton or Okobo.
Re: Free Agent Targets
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 4:54 am
I'm going to ask again something it appears no one has the huevos to answer. With Ayton, Booker, D'Lo...one would expect we have the making of a big 3. D'Lo is obvious, Booker also...and I think our unstated general expectation is that Ayton with a real, distributing PG thrives. That would be our true foundation. The general belief is Oubre gets us a solid SF and Saric a solid base at PF. We have some good serviceable parts around them. We made it would appear solid moves on the coaching side. And when asked...nobody felt that was enough to even make the 8th seed. Either we've grown hella pessimistic in our old age...or I have to ask...do we need to be using Ayton and Booker as chits to trade up with true foundational players. With that much probable salary tied up as they come to re-up, if they can't reach the next level...it's simple...we're investing in the wrong horses. Feel free to comment...but I think it's an important consideration, as both at least at the moment, would have true trade value.
Re: Free Agent Targets
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:45 am
I think it's still tough in the West, with what would be still a young team in its first season together with a new coach. On paper, yea I think we'd arguably be more talented than a team like the Spurs, Clips (this year's version) and Thunder. Does that mean we'd be better? Not necessarily.
If we had DLo, Book, Oubre, Saric and Ayton with Bridges and Baynes off the bench and a couple other pieces (Cam? Ty? Some FAs?) it's a very good starting point. But I don't see a lot of other teams dropping off and you still have the Kings on the rise and the Lakers with LBJ and AD at the moment. 48 wins got you the 8th seed this year. Next year? It could be 50 or 52.
If we had DLo, Book, Oubre, Saric and Ayton with Bridges and Baynes off the bench and a couple other pieces (Cam? Ty? Some FAs?) it's a very good starting point. But I don't see a lot of other teams dropping off and you still have the Kings on the rise and the Lakers with LBJ and AD at the moment. 48 wins got you the 8th seed this year. Next year? It could be 50 or 52.
Re: Free Agent Targets
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 6:55 am
The West is stupid. Every team has a competitive roster talent wise. A few more stars need to head East but it seems no one ever wants to play out there. That team would easily make the playoffs in the East. I like that roster more than Boston without Kyrie. The Nets *with* Kyrie. And any team not named Toronto or Philly.ShelC wrote:I think it's still tough in the West, with what would be still a young team in its first season together with a new coach. On paper, yea I think we'd arguably be more talented than a team like the Spurs, Clips (this year's version) and Thunder. Does that mean we'd be better? Not necessarily.
If we had DLo, Book, Oubre, Saric and Ayton with Bridges and Baynes off the bench and a couple other pieces (Cam? Ty? Some FAs?) it's a very good starting point. But I don't see a lot of other teams dropping off and you still have the Kings on the rise and the Lakers with LBJ and AD at the moment. 48 wins got you the 8th seed this year. Next year? It could be 50 or 52.
Re: Free Agent Targets
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 6:56 am
It's not enough savings to get Miami in the free agent market, but I believe it would save them money in luxury tax.Shabazz wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:32 pmIn this case we're taking on the additional salary, and a significant amount. Also, adding Okobo (who I'd happily include) or Melton (who I'd be reluctant to) defeats the purpose of the trade for Miami unless they really value either of those two.Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:24 pmI don't think anyone is taking Jackson without getting back a future asset, possibly in addition to either Melton or Okobo.
Of course, I would do it in a heartbeat. But I don't think Miami is going to do straight salary dumps of their starters. They want to stay competitive and don't mind paying to do so.
Re: Free Agent Targets
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:07 am
They also have Winslow who's kind of what we wanted JJ to be and they just drafted Herro and Okpala who are both SG/SFs.
Re: Free Agent Targets
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:19 am
RelaxVladimir_Taltos wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 4:54 amI'm going to ask again something it appears no one has the huevos to answer. With Ayton, Booker, D'Lo...one would expect we have the making of a big 3. D'Lo is obvious, Booker also...and I think our unstated general expectation is that Ayton with a real, distributing PG thrives. That would be our true foundation. The general belief is Oubre gets us a solid SF and Saric a solid base at PF. We have some good serviceable parts around them. We made it would appear solid moves on the coaching side. And when asked...nobody felt that was enough to even make the 8th seed. Either we've grown hella pessimistic in our old age...or I have to ask...do we need to be using Ayton and Booker as chits to trade up with true foundational players. With that much probable salary tied up as they come to re-up, if they can't reach the next level...it's simple...we're investing in the wrong horses. Feel free to comment...but I think it's an important consideration, as both at least at the moment, would have true trade value.
Re: Free Agent Targets
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:30 am
Man, if only we had gone after Smart last year instead of DAR this year. 
Re: Free Agent Targets
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:46 am
Re: Free Agent Targets
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:51 am
What's your problem with Smart?
Re: Free Agent Targets
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:26 am
What do you think of this?
Trade Josh, Elie, and Melton for Dragic and his expiring contract.
Sign Maxi Kleber to as much as you have left.
Resign Oubre and Holmes.
With 5 PGs under contract right now, you at least cut that down to 4.
Then you have $47 Mil in expiring money to go into the off-season and you could go into the draft looking at a PG of the future. You could also use that flexibility in trade at the deadline if someone becomes available that makes sense.
Trade Josh, Elie, and Melton for Dragic and his expiring contract.
Sign Maxi Kleber to as much as you have left.
Resign Oubre and Holmes.
With 5 PGs under contract right now, you at least cut that down to 4.
Then you have $47 Mil in expiring money to go into the off-season and you could go into the draft looking at a PG of the future. You could also use that flexibility in trade at the deadline if someone becomes available that makes sense.
Re: Free Agent Targets
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:40 am
That’s true if Kyrie/KD sign right away. If they take their time, Brooklyn will hold onto the rights. We’d need to move fast as I think putting pressure on them before Kyrie/KD decide is the best option. They won’t match a Russell offer when they still don’t know Kyrie/KD plans.JeremyG wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:01 pmIf the Nets move on from DLo for Kyrie/KD, he will be an unrestricted free agent since they'll renounce his rights. So we would only have to stretch Tyler if we knew he was coming here.Split T wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:19 pm1. We gotta check on Brogdon and D-Lo. If they want to sign, I think you have to waive and stretch Tyler and make an offer. Both are restricted, D-Lo seems attainable as Nets have Kyrie/KD dreams. Brogdon seems unlikely to be let go by Milwaukee. Either scenario is dangerous as we may end up waiving and stretching Tyler for no reason.
Re: Free Agent Targets
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:56 am
Re: Free Agent Targets
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:57 am
Really? Smart does nothing to move the needle or make us a better team. It excites me as much as signing Ariza.