Suns News: Weeks 19 & 20 (2/20 - 3/5)

[In2ition]

Yes, definitely closer in style of play to Jokic than to Kanter. I like how Sengun plays.

[Wally_West]

Ehhh, not that big of fan of Alperen Sengun. He’s talented offensively but he is just dog shit defensively, I get a lot of Enes Kanter vibes from him.

Enes Kanter? C'mon Wally...

He's 20 years old. More like young Jokic.

I mean, I was just comparing their absolutely horrible defense, which should be a legit concern.

….but calling him young Jokic cuz he dropped 15 and 14 on the Spurs, one of the worst teams in the league, is certainly a take.

[Flagrant Fowl]

Ehhh, not that big of fan of Alperen Sengun. He’s talented offensively but he is just dog shit defensively, I get a lot of Enes Kanter vibes from him.

Enes Kanter? C'mon Wally...

He's 20 years old. More like young Jokic.

I mean, I was just comparing their absolutely horrible defense, which should be a legit concern.

….but calling him young Jokic cuz he dropped 15 and 14 on the Spurs, one of the worst teams in the league, is certainly a take.

I said more like young Jokic. Compare their age 20 seasons. It's not as much of a reach as comparing Sengun to Kanter.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/pl ... melog/2016
https://www.basketball-reference.com/pl ... melog/2023

[In2ition]

Ehhh, not that big of fan of Alperen Sengun. He’s talented offensively but he is just dog shit defensively, I get a lot of Enes Kanter vibes from him.

Enes Kanter? C'mon Wally...

He's 20 years old. More like young Jokic.

I mean, I was just comparing their absolutely horrible defense, which should be a legit concern.

….but calling him young Jokic cuz he dropped 15 and 14 on the Spurs, one of the worst teams in the league, is certainly a take.

I'm sure they believe that if they can get Wemby next to Sengun, that will make him look pretty good on defense.

[Wally_West]

Ehhh, not that big of fan of Alperen Sengun. He’s talented offensively but he is just dog shit defensively, I get a lot of Enes Kanter vibes from him.

Enes Kanter? C'mon Wally...

He's 20 years old. More like young Jokic.

I mean, I was just comparing their absolutely horrible defense, which should be a legit concern.

….but calling him young Jokic cuz he dropped 15 and 14 on the Spurs, one of the worst teams in the league, is certainly a take.

I said more like young Jokic. Compare their age 20 seasons. It's not as much of a reach as comparing Sengun to Kanter.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/pl ... melog/2016
https://www.basketball-reference.com/pl ... melog/2023

That’s cool but Sengun defense is really terrible, that’s not reaching, that’s fact. If you want to call him Jokic like offensively, fine, but defensively he’s very much like Enes Kanter which is to say they both are really bad defenders as big men, which is all I was saying.

[Wally_West]

Ehhh, not that big of fan of Alperen Sengun. He’s talented offensively but he is just dog shit defensively, I get a lot of Enes Kanter vibes from him.

Enes Kanter? C'mon Wally...

He's 20 years old. More like young Jokic.

I mean, I was just comparing their absolutely horrible defense, which should be a legit concern.

….but calling him young Jokic cuz he dropped 15 and 14 on the Spurs, one of the worst teams in the league, is certainly a take.

I'm sure they believe that if they can get Wemby next to Sengun, that will make him look pretty good on defense.

Wemby going to be doing a lot of heavy lifting in that duo.

[Flagrant Fowl]

Ehhh, not that big of fan of Alperen Sengun. He’s talented offensively but he is just dog shit defensively, I get a lot of Enes Kanter vibes from him.

Enes Kanter? C'mon Wally...

He's 20 years old. More like young Jokic.

I mean, I was just comparing their absolutely horrible defense, which should be a legit concern.

….but calling him young Jokic cuz he dropped 15 and 14 on the Spurs, one of the worst teams in the league, is certainly a take.

I said more like young Jokic. Compare their age 20 seasons. It's not as much of a reach as comparing Sengun to Kanter.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/pl ... melog/2016
https://www.basketball-reference.com/pl ... melog/2023

That’s cool but Sengun defense is really terrible, that’s not reaching, that’s fact. If you want to call him Jokic like offensively, fine, but defensively he’s very much like Enes Kanter which is to say they both are really bad defenders as big men, which is all I was saying.

Fair enough. Jokic hasn't been a good defender and he won the league MVP.

[TOO]

Enes Kanter? C'mon Wally...

He's 20 years old. More like young Jokic.

I mean, I was just comparing their absolutely horrible defense, which should be a legit concern.

….but calling him young Jokic cuz he dropped 15 and 14 on the Spurs, one of the worst teams in the league, is certainly a take.

I said more like young Jokic. Compare their age 20 seasons. It's not as much of a reach as comparing Sengun to Kanter.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/pl ... melog/2016
https://www.basketball-reference.com/pl ... melog/2023

That’s cool but Sengun defense is really terrible, that’s not reaching, that’s fact. If you want to call him Jokic like offensively, fine, but defensively he’s very much like Enes Kanter which is to say they both are really bad defenders as big men, which is all I was saying.

Fair enough. Jokic hasn't been a good defender and he won the league MVP.

If I recall his defensive metrics weren't super awful, I could be wrong though.

[Flagrant Fowl]

He (Jokic) has definitely improved defensively every season.

[Split T]

His defensive metrics(depending on what ones you look at) think he’s an all-nba quality defender. The metrics suck.

[Wally_West]

There has been several times this year where Sengun was benched due to how bad his defense was and several times where teammates were visibly upset because how bad he was getting cooked. He is not a good defender.

Then again, it’s the rockets and his coach is Steve Silas and he is only 20.

[Split T]

I like Sengun, but as a prospect. He doesn’t make sense as our starting C with Booker/KD…I’m with you WW, his defense makes him rough

[Wally_West]

I don’t think Jokic is a terrible defender but he’s not very good, but I’ve seen several times over the past couple season where he had big defensive plays at the end of games. He’s a mixed bag for sure.

[Split T]

He’s a smart defender, but he’s not a flexible defender. You can attack him because he can only play one scheme at a decent level.

[TOO]

Lemme tell ya, if Ayton was just a smart system defender and an elite offensive force that'd be just peachy.

[Mori Chu]

Given the core of our roster, you want defense from your center more than offense. Karl Anthony Towns for example would be awful on this team because he'd want to chuck up a bunch of shots and plays crappy defense. I don't see why a guy like Sengun would be a good swap for Ayton.

[Cap]

I don't see why a guy like Sengun would be a good swap for Ayton.

It would make for some very entertaining highlights.

[specialsauce]

Given the core of our roster, you want defense from your center more than offense. Karl Anthony Towns for example would be awful on this team because he'd want to chuck up a bunch of shots and plays crappy defense. I don't see why a guy like Sengun would be a good swap for Ayton.

How excited are you going to be when we trade DA for Looney and draymond

[Flagrant Fowl]

Given the core of our roster, you want defense from your center more than offense. Karl Anthony Towns for example would be awful on this team because he'd want to chuck up a bunch of shots and plays crappy defense. I don't see why a guy like Sengun would be a good swap for Ayton.

I never implied a straight swap in a trade.

Sengun's potential trajectory is much more vertical than Ayton's at this point, IMO. Getting a bit younger isn't a terrible idea, but I think the Suns would look more towards someone like Capella that Split mentioned.

[Split T]

The problem with the Draymond scenario is he’d either have to opt in to his player option and then be traded or we’d have to sign and trade for him and I’m not sure we can do that and stay under the hard cap.

I’d look at Atlanta for Capela plus a wing or Indy for Turner plus a wing.