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https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/inside ... eally-goodNBPA members say they see little benefit to allowing a new class of teenagers to come in and take roster spots from veterans. And NBA executives are openly dreading the idea of returning to high school gyms and being forced to make career-altering decisions with limited information at their disposal. Sources say the union is indicating that in order to give Adam Silver -- who is the clear-cut driving force behind the elimination of the age limit -- what he desires in collective bargaining agreement negotiations in 2024, they expect to receive major financial concessions from team owners in exchange for this bargaining chip, something that may not be attractive to franchises since many believe that making the league even younger will water down the talent level.
You don’t have to, G League has become a real path into the NBA, above playing overseas, if they really need to get paid for hooping, they can take their talent to G League, where all that you said about scouting and getting NBA- ready game and body would be as good or better than college.Mori Chu wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 8:59 amI too am happy with the current situation in the NBA, except that I dislike the "one and done" NCAA product that has currently become the norm. I really wish I could watch these guys for 2-3 years in the NCAA to get to know them better, bond with college teams more, etc. And I wish teams and their scouts could watch the guys play in college to better know whom to draft, let the players get better and more NBA-ready before they come in, and make it less risky to make a draft pick. Not sure there's any real fix for these issues, though. You can't force guys to stay in college 2-3 years if they don't want to.
I don’t think those are the right questions to ask. What is the incentive for the owners or current players to change the rule? There is none. The owners want guaranteed access to medical records of all draftees and to compel them to attend the combine. The player agents aren’t going to like that and the players will be on the side of their agents. Plus, there’s no incentive for current players to want high schoolers in the nba. It ultimately takes a few roster spots a year away from vets.Indy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 9:57 amWhy should these adults get less rights than other adults? Just so the current NBA veterans can make more money? Or so the NCAA can keep making billions off of them? If a team wants to use their draft pick and their money to pay them, why should someone else say they can't?
The incentive to the owners is that when the next LeBron James comes along, you get him, and all of the marketing benefits that come with a player of his caliber, in your league a year earlier.Split T wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 10:29 amI don’t think those are the right questions to ask. What is the incentive for the owners or current players to change the rule? There is none. The owners want guaranteed access to medical records of all draftees and to compel them to attend the combine. The player agents aren’t going to like that and the players will be on the side of their agents. Plus, there’s no incentive for current players to want high schoolers in the nba. It ultimately takes a few roster spots a year away from vets.Indy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 9:57 amWhy should these adults get less rights than other adults? Just so the current NBA veterans can make more money? Or so the NCAA can keep making billions off of them? If a team wants to use their draft pick and their money to pay them, why should someone else say they can't?
You are taking the Silver stance, which I agree with, I think the players should have the right to enter the draft when they want, but it’s not going to happen without incentivizing the parties that control the situation.
They don't, though. Everyone knew about James well before he was in high school. Those types of talents are rare, but they get noticed VERY early.
I think "why are you taking away the rights of a certain group of people" is always the right question to ask. I am not worried about protecting billionaire owners from making a stupid draft selection to the point where we should be forcing these adults to go let the NCAA exploit them. If you have a marketable skill and you are a consenting adult, you should be able to market that skill.Split T wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 10:29 amI don’t think those are the right questions to ask. What is the incentive for the owners or current players to change the rule? There is none. The owners want guaranteed access to medical records of all draftees and to compel them to attend the combine. The player agents aren’t going to like that and the players will be on the side of their agents. Plus, there’s no incentive for current players to want high schoolers in the nba. It ultimately takes a few roster spots a year away from vets.Indy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 9:57 amWhy should these adults get less rights than other adults? Just so the current NBA veterans can make more money? Or so the NCAA can keep making billions off of them? If a team wants to use their draft pick and their money to pay them, why should someone else say they can't?
You are taking the Silver stance, which I agree with, I think the players should have the right to enter the draft when they want, but it’s not going to happen without incentivizing the parties that control the situation.
They don’t have to. I heard about this one team that doesn’t even scout college players. They just watch YouTube videos.
Right, we agree on this point, but we have no say. You have to convince the people that have a say.Indy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 11:54 amI think "why are you taking away the rights of a certain group of people" is always the right question to ask. I am not worried about protecting billionaire owners from making a stupid draft selection to the point where we should be forcing these adults to go let the NCAA exploit them. If you have a marketable skill and you are a consenting adult, you should be able to market that skill.Split T wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 10:29 amI don’t think those are the right questions to ask. What is the incentive for the owners or current players to change the rule? There is none. The owners want guaranteed access to medical records of all draftees and to compel them to attend the combine. The player agents aren’t going to like that and the players will be on the side of their agents. Plus, there’s no incentive for current players to want high schoolers in the nba. It ultimately takes a few roster spots a year away from vets.Indy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 9:57 amWhy should these adults get less rights than other adults? Just so the current NBA veterans can make more money? Or so the NCAA can keep making billions off of them? If a team wants to use their draft pick and their money to pay them, why should someone else say they can't?
You are taking the Silver stance, which I agree with, I think the players should have the right to enter the draft when they want, but it’s not going to happen without incentivizing the parties that control the situation.
I’m just stating the reason given in the original article. It said the scouts didn’t look forward to having to go back to high school gyms.Shabazz wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 12:11 pmThey don’t have to. I heard about this one team that doesn’t even scout college players. They just watch YouTube videos.
The “scouting high school gyms” thing is overblown. In any year there are probably 4-6 high school players who could conceivably make the jump. I don’t see how going to watch them play at Sierra Canyon is any worse than sending your scouts to Central Tennessee Tech. Plus, any respectable front office starts keeping tabs on these players in their database when they’re as young as 13. You’re just giving them permission to meet in person a year earlier.