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Re: Around the League: Week 3 (10/31-11/6)
Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2022 2:09 pm
by Split T
Superbone wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 1:54 pm
Split T wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:17 am
Aztec Sunsfan wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:09 am
Wormwood wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 9:30 am
Suns have a lot of expirings to throw around at more permanent solutions to positional problems, and even depth (as Jae and Dario give us none).
- KD5
- Conley
- Harrison Barnes
- Draymond Green
All seem interesting, though perhaps only Barnes is actually available now. KD will ask out again if things don't turn around sharp-ish, and I don't expect they will. At 6-1, the Suns don't have an urgent need (yet). But if Johnson, Payne, CP3 or Craig are out for any period of time, they will be.
One question though: is COnley part of Utah's long term plans? And with Paul's slow decline, should the Suns think about PG by committee?
And what Conley goes to Minnesota with Crowder (so much needed veteran leadership) D-Lo is sent to Phoenix, and we ship Shamet and Craig/ Payne to Utah with a 1st?
Damion Lee makes Shamet expendable, and D-Lo from the bench it’s a notorious upgrade over Payne. Then Phoenix sent Dario and the Craig/ Payne player let from the Utah trade fie Barnes, and we get:
CP3 / Booker / Mikal / Cam J / Ayton
D-Lo / Lee / Barnes / Landsale
DWJ / Okogie / Byombo
It’s not the KD home run, and I would prefer bringing Collins and Gordon, but it’s more likely this guys are available. ( There is a reason for that though)
I’ve thought about D-Lo…I wouldn’t give up a 1st for him though. 2 2nds, with one coming from Minny should be enough for Utah.
I'm down on D-Lo (as in not interested.) Like somebody else pointed out, you almost forget he's on the Wolves when we play them because his play is so...forgettable.
Ya but if all we’re giving up is Crowder/Saric/Shamet and a 2nd?
He’d be a bench guard for us and he’d play better here I think.
Re: Around the League: Week 3 (10/31-11/6)
Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2022 4:05 pm
by Aztec Sunsfan
Split T wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 2:09 pm
Superbone wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 1:54 pm
Split T wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:17 am
Aztec Sunsfan wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:09 am
Wormwood wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 9:30 am
Suns have a lot of expirings to throw around at more permanent solutions to positional problems, and even depth (as Jae and Dario give us none).
- KD5
- Conley
- Harrison Barnes
- Draymond Green
All seem interesting, though perhaps only Barnes is actually available now. KD will ask out again if things don't turn around sharp-ish, and I don't expect they will. At 6-1, the Suns don't have an urgent need (yet). But if Johnson, Payne, CP3 or Craig are out for any period of time, they will be.
One question though: is COnley part of Utah's long term plans? And with Paul's slow decline, should the Suns think about PG by committee?
And what Conley goes to Minnesota with Crowder (so much needed veteran leadership) D-Lo is sent to Phoenix, and we ship Shamet and Craig/ Payne to Utah with a 1st?
Damion Lee makes Shamet expendable, and D-Lo from the bench it’s a notorious upgrade over Payne. Then Phoenix sent Dario and the Craig/ Payne player let from the Utah trade fie Barnes, and we get:
CP3 / Booker / Mikal / Cam J / Ayton
D-Lo / Lee / Barnes / Landsale
DWJ / Okogie / Byombo
It’s not the KD home run, and I would prefer bringing Collins and Gordon, but it’s more likely this guys are available. ( There is a reason for that though)
I’ve thought about D-Lo…I wouldn’t give up a 1st for him though. 2 2nds, with one coming from Minny should be enough for Utah.
I'm down on D-Lo (as in not interested.) Like somebody else pointed out, you almost forget he's on the Wolves when we play them because his play is so...forgettable.
Ya but if all we’re giving up is Crowder/Saric/Shamet and a 2nd?
He’d be a bench guard for us and he’d play better here I think.
Precisely my point, playing against other teams reserves should make him better, and as much as I'm usually prone to include ONE 1st if that is what gets a done deal, the madness on this recent trend of multiples picks and swap are just TOO MUCH future to hand out, specially for just one or two years of real control over a player.
Re: Around the League: Week 3 (10/31-11/6)
Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2022 4:07 pm
by AmareIsGod
Superbone wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 1:54 pm
Split T wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:17 am
Aztec Sunsfan wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:09 am
Wormwood wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 9:30 am
Suns have a lot of expirings to throw around at more permanent solutions to positional problems, and even depth (as Jae and Dario give us none).
- KD5
- Conley
- Harrison Barnes
- Draymond Green
All seem interesting, though perhaps only Barnes is actually available now. KD will ask out again if things don't turn around sharp-ish, and I don't expect they will. At 6-1, the Suns don't have an urgent need (yet). But if Johnson, Payne, CP3 or Craig are out for any period of time, they will be.
One question though: is COnley part of Utah's long term plans? And with Paul's slow decline, should the Suns think about PG by committee?
And what Conley goes to Minnesota with Crowder (so much needed veteran leadership) D-Lo is sent to Phoenix, and we ship Shamet and Craig/ Payne to Utah with a 1st?
Damion Lee makes Shamet expendable, and D-Lo from the bench it’s a notorious upgrade over Payne. Then Phoenix sent Dario and the Craig/ Payne player let from the Utah trade fie Barnes, and we get:
CP3 / Booker / Mikal / Cam J / Ayton
D-Lo / Lee / Barnes / Landsale
DWJ / Okogie / Byombo
It’s not the KD home run, and I would prefer bringing Collins and Gordon, but it’s more likely this guys are available. ( There is a reason for that though)
I’ve thought about D-Lo…I wouldn’t give up a 1st for him though. 2 2nds, with one coming from Minny should be enough for Utah.
I'm down on D-Lo (as in not interested.) Like
somebody else pointed out, you almost forget he's on the Wolves when we play them because his play is so...
forgettable.
Re: Around the League: Week 3 (10/31-11/6)
Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2022 5:00 pm
by ShelC
Re: Around the League: Week 3 (10/31-11/6)
Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2022 6:18 pm
by pickle
I don’t think Shamet is redundant with Lee. Different players and very different impact on the court. I still like a lot of the guys on Utah, including the obvious gettable ones in Clarkson Olynyk and maybe Vanderbilt, and the two “building blocks” in Sexton and Markannen. At this point Sexton might be a bit more available than I originally thought?
Re: Around the League: Week 3 (10/31-11/6)
Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2022 7:05 am
by Mori Chu
I wouldn't want D'Lo Russell here. I would not even want to give up Crowder/Shamet for him.
Re: Around the League: Week 3 (10/31-11/6)
Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2022 8:08 am
by Mori Chu
I'm surprised Book isn't further to the right on this diagram.
Re: Around the League: Week 3 (10/31-11/6)
Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:18 am
by Superbone
Mori Chu wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 8:08 am
I'm surprised Book isn't further to the right on this diagram.
OK. I'll believe you.
Re: Around the League: Week 3 (10/31-11/6)
Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2022 1:02 pm
by ShelC
pickle wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 6:18 pm
I don’t think Shamet is redundant with Lee. Different players and very different impact on the court. I still like a lot of the guys on Utah, including the obvious gettable ones in Clarkson Olynyk and maybe Vanderbilt, and the two “building blocks” in Sexton and Markannen. At this point Sexton might be a bit more available than I originally thought?
Lee and Craig are closer to each other in terms of skillset/impact but it doesn't matter much because Lee's a 2/3 and Craig is primarily a 4 now. Someone like Coby White would be redundant with Payne, Seth Curry would be redundant with Shamet.
Re: Around the League: Week 3 (10/31-11/6)
Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2022 1:13 pm
by Split T
Well I’d phrase it as Shamet would be redundant as Curry is better
Re: Around the League: Week 3 (10/31-11/6)
Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:38 pm
by TOO
ShelC wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 1:02 pm
pickle wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 6:18 pm
I don’t think Shamet is redundant with Lee. Different players and very different impact on the court. I still like a lot of the guys on Utah, including the obvious gettable ones in Clarkson Olynyk and maybe Vanderbilt, and the two “building blocks” in Sexton and Markannen. At this point Sexton might be a bit more available than I originally thought?
Lee and Craig are closer to each other in terms of skillset/impact but it doesn't matter much because Lee's a 2/3 and Craig is primarily a 4 now. Someone like Coby White would be redundant with Payne, Seth Curry would be redundant with Shamet.
Are either of them redundant if they are both flat out upgrades?
Re: Around the League: Week 3 (10/31-11/6)
Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:59 pm
by pickle
Split T wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 1:13 pm
Well I’d phrase it as Shamet would be redundant as Curry is better
Shamet is a solid defensive player and Curry not so much. Clearly curry is the better and more confident shooter.
Re: Around the League: Week 3 (10/31-11/6)
Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:11 pm
by Split T
Shamet is ok defensively…Curry is a much better shooter.
Re: Around the League: Week 3 (10/31-11/6)
Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:17 pm
by pickle
I do hope that in the longer run whomever takes over the team is not an asshole and knows how to play the human side of the game and we start getting some favorable whistle. I can’t help but think that a bit of lobbying might help us on this end given how guys like Cam, Shamet, and even Ayton are mostly in position but always on the wrong end of 50/50 calls.
Re: Around the League: Week 3 (10/31-11/6)
Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:12 pm
by JeremyG
Re: Around the League: Week 3 (10/31-11/6)
Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:22 pm
by TOO
No no no please hire Udoka, I enjoy the dysfunction.
Re: Around the League: Week 3 (10/31-11/6)
Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:54 pm
by Split T
This seems bad
Re: Around the League: Week 3 (10/31-11/6)
Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:09 pm
by TOO
#FreeAnt
Re: Around the League: Week 3 (10/31-11/6)
Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2022 8:39 am
by Mori Chu
Minnesota, the new up-and-coming contender, everyone!