Re: Suns News: 2019 Off-Season
Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:48 pm
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It doesn't really matter though if Brogdon or DLo had no intention at all of considering signing with us. It takes two. Seems like many around here are quick to forget. As if money is all that matters. Clearly it doesn't. You see superstars making max dollars or in line to make max dollars forcing their way out and onto other teams (AD being a perfect example). The upper echelon of players are deciding where they want to play today. We aren't a destination DLo and Brogdon are clamouring for.specialsauce wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:16 pmI would’ve rather had Brogdon or DLo.
Or take them out and just go with someone who’s cap mark is inconsequential like Tyus Jones, Sato, etc.
Instead we did neither. We ate up significant space without making a significant signing
Bingo. Salary being equal, there was no way Brogdon was signing here over Indiana. I don't think an extra ~$1M annually would have done the trick either. So you're looking at offering Brogdon nearly $100M over 4 years, plus forfeiting draft picks to sign him. He's good, but he's not that good. And he's got injury concerns. I'm OK with Rubio at his cap figure over Brogdon at what it would have taken.AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:23 pmIt doesn't really matter though if Brogdon or DLo had no intention at all of considering signing with us. It takes two. Seems like many around here are quick to forget. As if money is all that matters. Clearly it doesn't. You see superstars making max dollars or in line to make max dollars forcing their way out and onto other teams (AD being a perfect example). The upper echelon of players are deciding where they want to play today. We aren't a destination DLo and Brogdon are clamouring for.specialsauce wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:16 pmI would’ve rather had Brogdon or DLo.
Or take them out and just go with someone who’s cap mark is inconsequential like Tyus Jones, Sato, etc.
Instead we did neither. We ate up significant space without making a significant signing
Your ass tastes like you're really stretching.Marty [Mori Chu] wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:19 pmSo, to the people saying Bender is a bum because he didn't get offers from other teams: Tell me how my ass taste??
Okay, before I talk about that, you disregarded the second half of my statement.AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:23 pmIt doesn't really matter though if Brogdon or DLo had no intention at all of considering signing with us. It takes two. Seems like many around here are quick to forget. As if money is all that matters. Clearly it doesn't. You see superstars making max dollars or in line to make max dollars forcing their way out and onto other teams (AD being a perfect example). The upper echelon of players are deciding where they want to play today. We aren't a destination DLo and Brogdon are clamouring for.specialsauce wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:16 pmI would’ve rather had Brogdon or DLo.
Or take them out and just go with someone who’s cap mark is inconsequential like Tyus Jones, Sato, etc.
Instead we did neither. We ate up significant space without making a significant signing
Nobody in their right mind would come play here instead of playing for Golden State. You have proven all-NBA players and a top coach and a great city/market. After it came out that they were signing him, you knew that the Suns had no chance for him.specialsauce wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:19 pmOkay, before I talk about that, you disregarded the second half of my statement.AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:23 pmIt doesn't really matter though if Brogdon or DLo had no intention at all of considering signing with us. It takes two. Seems like many around here are quick to forget. As if money is all that matters. Clearly it doesn't. You see superstars making max dollars or in line to make max dollars forcing their way out and onto other teams (AD being a perfect example). The upper echelon of players are deciding where they want to play today. We aren't a destination DLo and Brogdon are clamouring for.specialsauce wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:16 pmI would’ve rather had Brogdon or DLo.
Or take them out and just go with someone who’s cap mark is inconsequential like Tyus Jones, Sato, etc.
Instead we did neither. We ate up significant space without making a significant signing
If you don't think DLo would have come to Phx had they made him an aggressive offer to come play with his best friend, I think we'll just agree to disagree here.
I hardly think Brogdon went to a FA destination hotspot either. If we showed him the money, he would have come here to play with Book, Oubre, Ayton & Co.
Yeah, there were somd things they needed to fix in him, but his passivity killed it.Phoenix219 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 5:01 pmI would have given Bender more of a chance, considering his draft position. The situation of the last couple years is not a very good indicator.
That was actually a 33-win team LeBron went back to.Indy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:53 pmNobody in their right mind would come play here instead of playing for Golden State. You have proven all-NBA players and a top coach and a great city/market. After it came out that they were signing him, you knew that the Suns had no chance for him.specialsauce wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:19 pmOkay, before I talk about that, you disregarded the second half of my statement.AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:23 pmIt doesn't really matter though if Brogdon or DLo had no intention at all of considering signing with us. It takes two. Seems like many around here are quick to forget. As if money is all that matters. Clearly it doesn't. You see superstars making max dollars or in line to make max dollars forcing their way out and onto other teams (AD being a perfect example). The upper echelon of players are deciding where they want to play today. We aren't a destination DLo and Brogdon are clamouring for.specialsauce wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:16 pmI would’ve rather had Brogdon or DLo.
Or take them out and just go with someone who’s cap mark is inconsequential like Tyus Jones, Sato, etc.
Instead we did neither. We ate up significant space without making a significant signing
If you don't think DLo would have come to Phx had they made him an aggressive offer to come play with his best friend, I think we'll just agree to disagree here.
I hardly think Brogdon went to a FA destination hotspot either. If we showed him the money, he would have come here to play with Book, Oubre, Ayton & Co.
As for Brogdon, that is who I really wanted. But I have no reason to believe he would want to come to a 19 win team when a good team wanted him.
By the way, when is the last time a team under 20 wins got a big FA that wasn't LeBron going back to Cleveland?
With an extra #1 pick and major sentimental value.JeremyG wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2019 12:06 amThat was actually a 33-win team LeBron went back to.Indy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:53 pmNobody in their right mind would come play here instead of playing for Golden State. You have proven all-NBA players and a top coach and a great city/market. After it came out that they were signing him, you knew that the Suns had no chance for him.
As for Brogdon, that is who I really wanted. But I have no reason to believe he would want to come to a 19 win team when a good team wanted him.
By the way, when is the last time a team under 20 wins got a big FA that wasn't LeBron going back to Cleveland?
thanks. i was thinking of the year he left, I guess.Hermen wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2019 12:39 amWith an extra #1 pick and major sentimental value.JeremyG wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2019 12:06 amThat was actually a 33-win team LeBron went back to.Indy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:53 pmNobody in their right mind would come play here instead of playing for Golden State. You have proven all-NBA players and a top coach and a great city/market. After it came out that they were signing him, you knew that the Suns had no chance for him.
As for Brogdon, that is who I really wanted. But I have no reason to believe he would want to come to a 19 win team when a good team wanted him.
By the way, when is the last time a team under 20 wins got a big FA that wasn't LeBron going back to Cleveland?
I don't think the two situations are comparable.In2ition wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2019 7:40 amDo you guys remember how upset most Suns fans were when they traded Marbury for essentially nothing but cap space, expiring or short contracts and draft picks? The national media panned Jerry and the Suns for that move too.
The trade of TJ was bad asset management, but really was bad timing. We nearly all came to the realization that TJ and Josh weren't long for the Suns. If they would have waited a little bit, they could have gotten a pick instead of trading one with him. It kind of has the feel of 2004.
I agree the trade was fantastic and the right move to make. I really like Saric, and I felt we could still get a high level talent at 11. The problem is that we weren't looking for a high level talent.OE32 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2019 12:40 pmI just don't think they're worthy of top draft slots. Hunter looks like if Aminu learned to shoot before he entered the league. Don't see anything off the dribble, nor any great defensive statistics. The fact that he went as high as he did is an indictment of this draft. With Culver, I think you have to project a whole lot of development. He just profiles well with his size and general competence with the ball; I don't see anything very special about him from an athleticism or skills perspective. They're the kind of players I'd be more excited about taking with a pick near the back of the lottery in a good draft.
.... And I certainly don't think, given their projected skills and positions, and the skills and positions already covered by other young players on this roster, that we're the right team to develop those guys or to pay them big bucks in 5 years assuming their play justifies it. We can argue about Clarke vs. Cam vs. other prospects 'til we're blue in the face, but trading down? I thought that was clearly the way to go, given the prospects in our range.