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I wish the government would intervene. It's clear at this point that the Suns are affecting global climate change to the negative and it's undeniable.

In2ition wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:37 pm

I wish the government would intervene. It's clear at this point that the Suns are affecting global climate change to the negative and it's undeniable.

I wish we could appoint a special counsel to investigate Sarver and get him thrown out!

the fact that such stuff especially from local media is getting put out there is sad. it's a lil over the top (typical Gambo) but it really isn't a good look that Ayton's energy been poor so often that these sorta comments getting made. a while back I said that it is one thing to play against a high energy guy say a Harrell and then watch film and have coaches point out times he beat you on the glass or whatever. my question is Richaun obviously plays one way all the time which I would figure includes practice so wouldn't Richaun be showing up Ayton the same way and if so shouldn't Igor be ripping him and why is he not learning/adjusting

https://twitter.com/Gambo987/status/1070174846561079296

^You really think that comment is over the top? I was thinking the same damn thing. At least Holmes looks like he wants to be out there.

iLLmatic wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:05 pm

^You really think that comment is over the top? I was thinking the same damn thing. At least Holmes looks like he wants to be out there.

we all getting annoyed with this energy/motor situation. I'm not against sending a message but if we go that route I think quick hooks or 4th quarter benchings would be how I would do it. there been games when Igor brought him back in the 4th and some of us were like why take Richaun out so the whole "closing with Ayton" thing would be what I would make fluid situation rather than starting
like I said though, for me the bigger issue is that this is even a debate to be having already

The darkest hour is just before the dawn.

The fans should stop going to games until Sarver puts a competitive team on the court. Maybe we can freeze him out and force him to sell. It’s already half empty. Make it completely empty. That would send a message. I’m not buying any more Suns merchandise until Sarver sells or puts a competitive team on the court. We’ve easily got the worst front office in the league. At least we had The Timeline before. Sarver even took that away from us. We are currently rudderless with no signs of things getting better.

I don't think we are that far away. We are just missing a few pieces and some experience. It’s not Sarvers fault Booker and Warren are hurt unless we blame him for making Booker a PG for the year and overtaxing him and assuming that’s why he got injured. Picking The Ayton pick was sort of a no brainer. It was either him or Doncic. Most of the planet assumed we would pick him. He doesn’t suck. He needs improvement in areas.

I am not a big fan of Sarver but, I think he is trying and isn’t just going through the motions like some owners. If anything he is too hands on. He is also inexperienced and as a rookie owner has made some rookie mistakes. Whether we like him or not nobody else bought the team, he did. We have aquired some nice pieces in the draft. Booker, Ayton, Warren, Bridges are definite keepers. Some others not so much but, that’s what happens in the NBA.

I still think we are a PG and a bruiser PF away from success in our starting 5. Holmes, Bridges are competant BU’s and maybe Daniels. Everybody else? They haven’t proven themselves and may or may not.

I see a lot of people giving up. I still see the glass half full.

at least when philly dumped hinkie, they transitioned to byran colangelo, a two time executive of the year winner.

Nodack wrote: ↑

Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:12 am

I don't think we are that far away. We are just missing a few pieces and some experience. It’s not Sarvers fault Booker and Warren are hurt unless we blame him for making Booker a PG for the year and overtaxing him and assuming that’s why he got injured. Picking The Ayton pick was sort of a no brainer. It was either him or Doncic. Most of the planet assumed we would pick him. He doesn’t suck. He needs improvement in areas.

I am not a big fan of Sarver but, I think he is trying and isn’t just going through the motions like some owners. If anything he is too hands on. He is also inexperienced and as a rookie owner has made some rookie mistakes. Whether we like him or not nobody else bought the team, he did. We have aquired some nice pieces in the draft. Booker, Ayton, Warren, Bridges are definite keepers. Some others not so much but, that’s what happens in the NBA.

I still think we are a PG and a bruiser PF away from success in our starting 5. Holmes, Bridges are competant BU’s and maybe Daniels. Everybody else? They haven’t proven themselves and may or may not.

I see a lot of people giving up. I still see the glass half full.

The team is playing worse every year. And I thought it was known that Sarver is much too hands on?
https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2018 ... vin-booker

And this is the only explanation I can come up with for the dumpster fire this team is. In the last couple of seasons we've had several coaches, front offices, completely different rosters. There's not way all of our coaches were this terrible, and a lot of players we've had play very well on other teams. But here everything failed, and Sarver is the only constant.

if sarver thinks keeping james jones to get on lebron's good side is going to pay off in the future, he is sadly mistaken.

The one thing that concerned me prior to the draft and is becoming more of a concern for me watching these games is that we may have taken the physical specimen/athlete over the basketball player. If Ayton doesn't really love the game and isn't a "basketball player" in his heart, there's only so much we can ask of him. I'm not saying we should've drafted Luka, but this thing needs to be addressed.

I brought up the observation about his energy/motor early in the season and people thought I was overreacting and picking on Ayton. They said "of course the coaches are pointing this stuff out"....well, are they? Ayton is still asleep during games, still flatfooted watching other guys get rebounds, we're still getting beat the same way in transition and on backdoor cuts (not his fault, more about the team). So at this point, I gotta start looking at the coaches as well. It's their job to get the players ready and correct any mistakes and that's either not happening or the players aren't responding.

SDC wrote: ↑

Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:32 am

at least when philly dumped hinkie, they transitioned to byran colangelo, a two time executive of the year winner.

How did that work out for them?

SDC wrote: ↑

Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:12 am

And they all wanted Ayton so they can zip it.

The Bobster wrote: ↑

Wed Dec 05, 2018 5:37 am

SDC wrote: ↑

Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:32 am

at least when philly dumped hinkie, they transitioned to byran colangelo, a two time executive of the year winner.

How did that work out for them?

they made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs in his first full season with the sixers

If you put Luka Doncic on this team instead and is it going to be any better?

No. So enough of this ridiculous "regret not picking Donic" shit.

It's drafting Len, Chriss, Bender and Jackson that have caused this shitshow.

SDC wrote: ↑

Wed Dec 05, 2018 6:53 am

The Bobster wrote: ↑

Wed Dec 05, 2018 5:37 am

SDC wrote: ↑

Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:32 am

at least when philly dumped hinkie, they transitioned to byran colangelo, a two time executive of the year winner.

How did that work out for them?

they made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs in his first full season with the sixers

And ultimately what happened with the Colangelos there?

The Bobster wrote: ↑

Wed Dec 05, 2018 6:57 am

SDC wrote: ↑

Wed Dec 05, 2018 6:53 am

The Bobster wrote: ↑

Wed Dec 05, 2018 5:37 am

SDC wrote: ↑

Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:32 am

at least when philly dumped hinkie, they transitioned to byran colangelo, a two time executive of the year winner.

How did that work out for them?

they made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs in his first full season with the sixers

And ultimately what happened with the Colangelos there?

bill simmons blogsite sabotaged the sixers. its nice they waited after phillys playoff run to reveal this

From Bob Young at The Athletic...small snippet but man does it irritate me.

And the Suns have other young players, their own first-round pick (which now looks awfully attractive) and a Milwaukee first-round pick from the Eric Bledsoe trade that the Bucks would convey only if they are picking from No. 4 to 16 in 2019 or Nos. 1-7 in 2020. It is unprotected in 2021.

It’s worth noting that the Suns wouldn’t be in this fix if Robert Sarver, the club’s managing partner, had not reportedly overruled his then-general manager, Ryan McDonough, on draft night.

McDonough reportedly planned to package the club’s pick from Milwaukee and a player taken with the 16th pick to move up and draft Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, a point guard from Kentucky.

When Philadelphia offered the rights to Mikal Bridges for the rights to Zhaire Smith and Miami’s unprotected 2021 first-round pick, Sarver pushed for that deal. So the Suns moved up six spots to add their fourth young wing player.

Even the choice to move up for SGA was not the preferred strategy.

Another NBA team had an offer on the table for the Suns’ 16th pick in exchange for a future unprotected first-round pick. That would have given the Suns two future unprotected picks and Milwaukee’s future pick to use in a deal for an established point guard.

Instead, Sarver preferred to move up. So imagine for a moment Gilgeous-Alexander in a future lineup with Devin Booker, Deandre Ayton, T.J. Warren and Josh Jackson.