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Re: Suns trading Melton and Jackson to Grizz for Korver and Javon Carter
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:44 pm
by iLLmatic
House has officially been swept up.
Re: Suns trading Melton and Jackson to Grizz for Korver and Javon Carter
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:46 pm
by specialsauce
I really don't care about this move. I wish they would have gotten a useful piece at least, because Carter is literally just filler. But I'm not losing sleep about the second round picks or Melton.
Drafting Jackson was a massive bust. Wow.
Suns in the last decade have drafted busts at the 4th pick twice, the 5th pick, the 8th pick.
That's embarrassing.
Re: Suns trading Melton and Jackson to Grizz for Korver and Javon Carter
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:47 pm
by da_suns_fan
Josh Jackson was second to last in wins produced last year.
https://www.boxscoregeeks.com/players?s ... ection=asc
Shot a lot. Shot poorly. Turned it over like crazy.
Re: Suns trading Melton and Jackson to Grizz for Korver and Javon Carter
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:48 pm
by Democritus
Bound to Europe in two years...
Re: Suns trading Melton and Jackson to Grizz for Korver and Javon Carter
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:51 pm
by AmareIsGod
Cap wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:38 pm
AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:35 pm
gosuns wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:33 pm
Do we take more salary back in this deal? Korver makes more than Jackson an Melton and Carter cancel each other out. We would still need to shed some salary to sign Rubio right?
I think I read that we free up $3.9 million with this trade.
Korver’s salary is only partly guaranteed, so we save money if we cut him.
What happens with my famous quote in your signature?
Re: Suns trading Melton and Jackson to Grizz for Korver and Javon Carter
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:51 pm
by specialsauce
Democritus wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:48 pm
Bound to Europe in two years...
More likely jail
Re: Suns trading Melton and Jackson to Grizz for Korver and Javon Carter
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:53 pm
by Mori Chu
Hmm. Well, we cleared up the cap space we need to officially sign Rubio. But boy does James Jones love giving away draft picks to get deals done. And he seems to attach no value whatsoever to second-rounders. That was always how Sarver felt about draft picks, undervaluing them and throwing them around to get trades done. I think he and Jones are like-minded in that respect.
I like a lot of the guys we have acquired (Rubio, Saric), but I worry about the overall disregard for draft assets and mismanagement of our draft picks (e.g. taking Cam Johnson).
Re: Suns trading Melton and Jackson to Grizz for Korver and Javon Carter
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:00 pm
by Ring_Wanted
da_suns_fan wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:37 pm
So if anyone had told me the Suns would trade TJ Warren, Josh Jackson and four second round picks for cap space to sign Ricky Rubio I'd tell them they were crazy.
qftt
Re: Suns trading Melton and Jackson to Grizz for Korver and Javon Carter
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:02 pm
by Split T
Re: Suns trading Melton and Jackson to Grizz for Korver and Javon Carter
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:03 pm
by Ring_Wanted
O_Gardino wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:39 pm
Plus, if we don't have draft picks we don't have to hire scouts.
hahahh
Re: Suns trading Melton and Jackson to Grizz for Korver and Javon Carter
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:08 pm
by iLLmatic
Split T wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:02 pm
Depressing.
Re: Suns trading Melton and Jackson to Grizz for Korver and Javon Carter
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:13 pm
by djy2j
Just announced: First 500 fans at the home opener will receive a 2nd round pick at the gate.
Re: Suns trading Melton and Jackson to Grizz for Korver and Javon Carter
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:28 pm
by AmareIsGod
iLLmatic wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:08 pm
Split T wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:02 pm
Depressing.
So hiring Monty and paying Rubio are listed as some sort of organizational blunder. Thanks @BillSimmons . Apparently the rest of the league is wrong and Monty is a poor hire. Rubio, after all the other deals have been made, is on a very fair market value contract. The Athletic put out an article with facts and analytics that say we're paying Rubio a very fair contract.
I guess teams just sit on their bad picks and own up to their mistakes by running those same mistakes out, night after night. Let's also forget that this is a new regime running the organization. Let's trash the new guys for cleaning house.
Re: Suns trading Melton and Jackson to Grizz for Korver and Javon Carter
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:28 pm
by carey
Re: Suns trading Melton and Jackson to Grizz for Korver and Javon Carter
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:30 pm
by carey
Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:Hmm. Well, we cleared up the cap space we need to officially sign Rubio. But boy does James Jones love giving away draft picks to get deals done. And he seems to attach no value whatsoever to second-rounders. That was always how Sarver felt about draft picks, undervaluing them and throwing them around to get trades done. I think he and Jones are like-minded in that respect.
I like a lot of the guys we have acquired (Rubio, Saric), but I worry about the overall disregard for draft assets and mismanagement of our draft picks (e.g. taking Cam Johnson).
The giving away of picks thing is all Jeff Bower. Look at his history. Starting to wonder how much say Jones really has atm.
Re: Suns trading Melton and Jackson to Grizz for Korver and Javon Carter
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:32 pm
by AmareIsGod
Re: Suns trading Melton and Jackson to Grizz for Korver and Javon Carter
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:33 pm
by Xylus
O_Gardino wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:39 pm
Plus, if we don't have draft picks we don't have to hire scouts.
This is excellent
Re: Suns trading Melton and Jackson to Grizz for Korver and Javon Carter
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:37 pm
by JeremyG
carey wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:28 pm
Gambo mentioned this a couple weeks ago too. It was during practice not a game (January 1, 2018).
Re: Suns trading Melton and Jackson to Grizz for Korver and Javon Carter
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:38 pm
by carey
JeremyG wrote:carey wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:28 pm
Gambo mentioned this a couple weeks ago. It was during practice not a game (January 1, 2018).
Sorry, I misheard. That's crazy to me!
Re: Suns trading Melton and Jackson to Grizz for Korver and Javon Carter
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:44 pm
by Split T
AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:28 pm
iLLmatic wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:08 pm
Split T wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:02 pm
Depressing.
So hiring Monty and paying Rubio are listed as some sort of organizational blunder. Thanks @BillSimmons . Apparently the rest of the league is wrong and Monty is a poor hire. Rubio, after all the other deals have been made, is on a very fair market value contract. The Athletic put out an article with facts and analytics that say we're paying Rubio a very fair contract.
I guess teams just sit on their bad picks and own up to their mistakes by running those same mistakes out, night after night. Let's also forget that this is a new regime running the organization. Let's trash the new guys for cleaning house.
I think he was just listing everything we’ve done. Not everything is bad, but there is a lot. I think the regime change is huge as there was a huge switch in philosophy.