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Re: Game Day: Suns (31-39) vs Thunder (43-26), Mon 8/10/20
Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:54 pm
by The Bobster
Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:43 pm
I'll say it now. Start preparing yourself for a summer of Bobby Short Pockets. I'm expecting him to not spend a dime to improve this roster.
And I'll say it again - Sarver isn't afraid to spend available money (ask Hedo Turkoglu, Josh Childress, Hakeem Warrick, Michael Beasley, Brandon Knight, Jared Dudley, Trevor Ariza and Tyson Chandler), they just don't want to spend a lot of it, and they haven't been smart when they've done it for the most part.
Re: Game Day: Suns (31-39) vs Thunder (43-26), Mon 8/10/20
Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:58 pm
by bajanguy008
We expected more people to take notice of Book in the bubble but man each game somebody getting their props on social media
There was Bridges , then people start changing their tune on Cam , then Payne and now Carter popping up on my timeline again for Good reasons
Re: Game Day: Suns (31-39) vs Thunder (43-26), Mon 8/10/20
Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:59 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
The Bobster wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:54 pm
Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:43 pm
I'll say it now. Start preparing yourself for a summer of Bobby Short Pockets. I'm expecting him to not spend a dime to improve this roster.
And I'll say it again - Sarver isn't afraid to spend available money (ask Hedo Turkoglu, Josh Childress, Hakeem Warrick, Michael Beasley, Brandon Knight, Jared Dudley, Trevor Ariza and Tyson Chandler), they just don't want to spend a lot of it, and they haven't been smart when they've done it for the most part.
My reasoning has more to do with the things mentioned by Split; new construction costs and lost revenue.
Re: Game Day: Suns (31-39) vs Thunder (43-26), Mon 8/10/20
Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2020 4:12 pm
by Split T
He doesn’t even have to commit long term money. Rookie deal is one of the best ways to get cheap talent. If he’s worried about long term sustainability because of the coronavirus. Just sign someone to a 1 year deal. If he doesn’t at least do that, I’ll be upset.
Re: Game Day: Suns (31-39) vs Thunder (43-26), Mon 8/10/20
Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2020 4:34 pm
by Superbone
Wormwood wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:29 pm
specialsauce wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:19 pm
Wormwood wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:09 pm
Can you imaging how good this franchise will be next year when we're not carrying $20M in dead cap space?
Are you referring to Baynes, Oubre and Kaminsky?
Korver and Tyler Johnson were effectively $22M in dead cap space.
Oubre is energetic, but his plus minus is terrible for a guy making $15M.
Kaminsky is gone (at $5M)
I consider the Suns to have upwards of $35M to play with this summer in deals and S&Ts. I also want to see them aggressively target Christian Wood.
Other than Halliburton, nothing interests me with the 10th pick.
INF will set you straight.
Re: Game Day: Suns (31-39) vs Thunder (43-26), Mon 8/10/20
Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2020 4:45 pm
by iLLmatic
bajanguy008 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:58 pm
We expected more people to take notice of Book in the bubble but man each game somebody getting their props on social media
There was Bridges , then people start changing their tune on Cam , then Payne and now Carter popping up on my timeline again for Good reasons
I laughed out loud
Re: Game Day: Suns (31-39) vs Thunder (43-26), Mon 8/10/20
Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2020 5:06 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
Split T wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 4:12 pm
He doesn’t even have to commit long term money. Rookie deal is one of the best ways to get cheap talent. If he’s worried about long term sustainability because of the coronavirus. Just sign someone to a 1 year deal. If he doesn’t at least do that, I’ll be upset.
I'm highly skeptical they'll try to sign a FA above ~$2M/year, so the most interesting move will be the contract they offer Saric. Much like Cam Payne, his play in the bubble has shown that he can be a reliable player in the right role. I could see a team offering him $8M/year and I'm not sure the Suns would match that number.
Also, how much are they willing to spend to bring back Carter? I believe the smart teams around the league are taking a long look at him now. He could probably get around $3M/year, IMO. I know Monty really values him, so I'm sure Jones heavily considers that. Maybe Carter would be willing to take a little less to stay in Phoenix where he trusts the staff and his role will enable him to be a difference maker on the team.
I'm going to be pissed off if they pick up Kaminsky's option. He's barely an NBA player and certainly not an MLE player.
Re: Game Day: Suns (31-39) vs Thunder (43-26), Mon 8/10/20
Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2020 5:18 pm
by Mori Chu
Keep the team we have, but let Kaminsky go. Bring back Carter, keep Payne, and see if Saric will take a reasonable deal for 1-2 years. Use our draft pick to bring in one more young guy. Make one FA push if there's cap space, probably for depth at the 4 (especially if we lose both Kaminsky and Saric). Try to nab Jerami Grant, Paul Millsap, Christian Wood (longshot). I'd also be open to considering Oubre trades, but not eager to do so unless we find a really good power forward we could get in return.
Re: Game Day: Suns (31-39) vs Thunder (43-26), Mon 8/10/20
Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2020 5:23 pm
by jonh
Just a thought- i think it’s funny that It seems like there are more angry comments about players having a bad night during this 7 game winning streak than during the past horrendous seasons.
Also, Ayton seems like he is in his head right now- almost like a Chris Bosh in Miami kind of vibe. I wonder what his relationship is with the other guys on the team.
Re: Game Day: Suns (31-39) vs Thunder (43-26), Mon 8/10/20
Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2020 5:26 pm
by jonh
Ridiculous hypothetical that Could be important to consider when the FO are thinking about the offseason: do you think the suns would have won 6 strait if Oubre was healthy?
Re: Game Day: Suns (31-39) vs Thunder (43-26), Mon 8/10/20
Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2020 5:27 pm
by Superbone
jonh wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 5:26 pm
Ridiculous hypothetical that Could be important to consider when the FO are thinking about the offseason: do you think the suns would have won 6 strait if Oubre was healthy?
I think they would have won 7 in those 6 games and with extra pizzazz to boot.
Re: Game Day: Suns (31-39) vs Thunder (43-26), Mon 8/10/20
Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2020 5:43 pm
by ShelC
Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 5:06 pm
Split T wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 4:12 pm
He doesn’t even have to commit long term money. Rookie deal is one of the best ways to get cheap talent. If he’s worried about long term sustainability because of the coronavirus. Just sign someone to a 1 year deal. If he doesn’t at least do that, I’ll be upset.
I'm highly skeptical they'll try to sign a FA above ~$2M/year, so the most interesting move will be the contract they offer Saric. Much like Cam Payne, his play in the bubble has shown that he can be a reliable player in the right role. I could see a team offering him $8M/year and I'm not sure the Suns would match that number.
Also, how much are they willing to spend to bring back Carter? I believe the smart teams around the league are taking a long look at him now. He could probably get around $3M/year, IMO. I know Monty really values him, so I'm sure Jones heavily considers that. Maybe Carter would be willing to take a little less to stay in Phoenix where he trusts the staff and his role will enable him to be a difference maker on the team.
I'm going to be pissed off if they pick up Kaminsky's option. He's barely an NBA player and certainly not an MLE player.
In terms of cap maneuvering, we could decline Frank's option w/the MLE and give part of it to Carter? Say 3 yrs at 3/4mil per?
Saric is restricted so he would have to find another team to want him at a price we wouldn't match. What's that number? Do other teams see him as a starter? Are they willing to potentially overpay just to get him as a bench guy? Can we offer him the MLE as an extension?
Re: Game Day: Suns (31-39) vs Thunder (43-26), Mon 8/10/20
Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:01 pm
by Wally_West
Now the biggest question....who’s gonna make tomorrow’s game day thread?
Re: Game Day: Suns (31-39) vs Thunder (43-26), Mon 8/10/20
Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:02 pm
by Superbone
Wally_West wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:01 pm
Now the biggest question....who’s gonna make tomorrow’s game day thread?
Don't mess with what's not broken. I nominate Nodack! Unless he's going to continue his stinkin' thinkin'.
Re: Game Day: Suns (31-39) vs Thunder (43-26), Mon 8/10/20
Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:06 pm
by INFORMER
The Bobster wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:27 pm
I really hate how the NBA has become a "shoot and fall down" league.
Agreed, but if the refs were better, the players wouldn't do it.
Re: Game Day: Suns (31-39) vs Thunder (43-26), Mon 8/10/20
Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:08 pm
by INFORMER
Split T wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:47 pm
Rubio has been trash.
He is coming back down to earth. Last 3 games:
9 ppg
6.3 rpg
7 apg
38% FGs
25% 3PTs
Re: Game Day: Suns (31-39) vs Thunder (43-26), Mon 8/10/20
Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:10 pm
by INFORMER
The Bobster wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:26 pm
AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:23 pm
Superbone wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:21 pm
Ayton is right at the rim and passes it out. Dude can be SO frustrating!
I heard a little bit of gas escape his vagina during the broadcast on that play.
I think we've filled our quota of "vagina" and "pussy" references today guys.
Agreed.
Re: Game Day: Suns (31-39) vs Thunder (43-26), Mon 8/10/20
Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:11 pm
by INFORMER
Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:27 pm
iLLmatic wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:25 pm
Superbone wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:21 pm
Ayton is right at the rim and passes it out. Dude can be SO frustrating!
Is he our new boris diaw?
At least Boris was an intelligent player.
This feels like an uncommon criticism of Saric. I've never heard his basketball IQ be questioned.
Re: Game Day: Suns (31-39) vs Thunder (43-26), Mon 8/10/20
Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:12 pm
by The Bobster
INFORMER wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:06 pm
The Bobster wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:27 pm
I really hate how the NBA has become a "shoot and fall down" league.
Agreed, but if the refs were better, the players wouldn't do it.
It's how the league wants it called apparently.
Re: Game Day: Suns (31-39) vs Thunder (43-26), Mon 8/10/20
Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:13 pm
by Wally_West
INFORMER wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:10 pm
The Bobster wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:26 pm
AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:23 pm
Superbone wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:21 pm
Ayton is right at the rim and passes it out. Dude can be SO frustrating!
I heard a little bit of gas escape his vagina during the broadcast on that play.
I think we've filled our quota of "vagina" and "pussy" references today guys.
Agreed.
What about assholes? I don’t think that’s been filled yet.