And we're back to Ayton's downfall being the fault of the guy who lead the team to the Finals a year ago and just won Coach of the Year.
And Ayton is the player who led them to the Finals. Even Indy admitted that he was the MVP of the WCF.
Cool, good for Indy.
And do you really think the Suns would've made the Finals without Chris Paul as their leader? Replace him with a good but not great Point Guard, someone who's similar to Ayton's level at the position, say Mike Conley or Malcolm Brogdon.
I'm tired of this shit about "Chris Paul said he was the MVP of this or that". He says that stuff because he's a leader, and guess what, these guys aren't 100% honest every time there's a microphone in front of them. Maybe he also knows that Ayton is mentally softer than some other guys and needs more hand holding. Do we really need to go over Monty giving Ayton a pep talk during The Finals? He was basically begging him to keep playing hard because Ayton's body language looked like he wanted to give up. IN THE NBA FINALS. But OK, he was the one who led them there.
Ayton in the Finals - 14.7 pts, 12.0 reb, 1.8 ast, 1.5 stl, 1.5 blk, 53% FG%, 91% FT%
Certainly not as good as he was in the conference finals, but not an embarrassment either. And he was playing much of it against Giannis, who is either #1 or #1A when it comes to best player in the NBA.
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But there certainly has to be some accountability on his part for how the team performed in the playoffs after deciding to coast to the finish line in the regular season.
Of course there must be accountability. Including from Deandre Ayton.
Do you suggest that Booker also be held accountable by not being offered a super max extension?
Booker came up with clunkers in the elimination games against both Milwaukee and Dallas. Where's the criticism of his play?
I haven't heard about Booker pouting over his contract.
He also got his max extension in 2018 despite never having been named an All-Star to that point, and never playing on a winning team (or won even 25 games in a season).
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And we're back to Ayton's downfall being the fault of the guy who lead the team to the Finals a year ago and just won Coach of the Year.
And Ayton is the player who led them to the Finals. Even Indy admitted that he was the MVP of the WCF.
Cool, good for Indy.
And do you really think the Suns would've made the Finals without Chris Paul as their leader? Replace him with a good but not great Point Guard, someone who's similar to Ayton's level at the position, say Mike Conley or Malcolm Brogdon.
I'm tired of this shit about "Chris Paul said he was the MVP of this or that". He says that stuff because he's a leader, and guess what, these guys aren't 100% honest every time there's a microphone in front of them. Maybe he also knows that Ayton is mentally softer than some other guys and needs more hand holding. Do we really need to go over Monty giving Ayton a pep talk during The Finals? He was basically begging him to keep playing hard because Ayton's body language looked like he wanted to give up. IN THE NBA FINALS. But OK, he was the one who led them there.
Ayton in the Finals - 14.7 pts, 12.0 reb, 1.8 ast, 1.5 stl, 1.5 blk, 53% FG%, 91% FT%
Certainly not as good as he was in the conference finals, but not an embarrassment either. And he was playing much of it against Giannis, who is either #1 or #1A when it comes to best player in the NBA.
Al Horford in the ECSF against the Bucks last month - 13 pts, 10.4 reb, 4.1 ast, 1.3 stl, 1.7 blk, 49/39/87 shooting splits
The $27M he's making this season seems fair enough for Deandre Ayton to me.
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Of course there must be accountability. Including from Deandre Ayton.
Do you suggest that Booker also be held accountable by not being offered a super max extension?
Booker came up with clunkers in the elimination games against both Milwaukee and Dallas. Where's the criticism of his play?
I haven't heard about Booker pouting over his contract.
He also got his max extension in 2018 despite never having been named an All-Star to that point, and never playing on a winning team (or won even 25 games in a season).
Has anyone ever second guessed Devin Booker's work ethic? Or tell me about the time he got himself suspended for using illegal supplements.
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Do you suggest that Booker also be held accountable by not being offered a super max extension?
Booker came up with clunkers in the elimination games against both Milwaukee and Dallas. Where's the criticism of his play?
I haven't heard about Booker pouting over his contract.
He also got his max extension in 2018 despite never having been named an All-Star to that point, and never playing on a winning team (or won even 25 games in a season).
Has anyone ever second guessed Devin Booker's work ethic? Or tell me about the time he got himself suspended for using illegal supplements.
There are a lot of guys in the G-League with a great worth ethic. They're not paying him for his work ethic, they're paying him for expected production.
Ayton has improved every year in the league, it's hard to imagine him making the strides he has if he wasn't working on his game.
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Available from Scarecrow Press at - https://rowman.com/ISBN/9780810890695
And we're back to Ayton's downfall being the fault of the guy who lead the team to the Finals a year ago and just won Coach of the Year.
And Ayton is the player who led them to the Finals. Even Indy admitted that he was the MVP of the WCF.
Cool, good for Indy.
And do you really think the Suns would've made the Finals without Chris Paul as their leader? Replace him with a good but not great Point Guard, someone who's similar to Ayton's level at the position, say Mike Conley or Malcolm Brogdon.
I'm tired of this shit about "Chris Paul said he was the MVP of this or that". He says that stuff because he's a leader, and guess what, these guys aren't 100% honest every time there's a microphone in front of them. Maybe he also knows that Ayton is mentally softer than some other guys and needs more hand holding. Do we really need to go over Monty giving Ayton a pep talk during The Finals? He was basically begging him to keep playing hard because Ayton's body language looked like he wanted to give up. IN THE NBA FINALS. But OK, he was the one who led them there.
Ayton in the Finals - 14.7 pts, 12.0 reb, 1.8 ast, 1.5 stl, 1.5 blk, 53% FG%, 91% FT%
Certainly not as good as he was in the conference finals, but not an embarrassment either. And he was playing much of it against Giannis, who is either #1 or #1A when it comes to best player in the NBA.
Al Horford in the ECSF against the Bucks last month - 13 pts, 10.4 reb, 4.1 ast, 1.3 stl, 1.7 blk, 49/39/87 shooting splits
The $27M he's making this season seems fair enough for Deandre Ayton to me.
Kristaps Porzingis made $31.6 million this year. Kevin Love made $31.2 million. So isn't it also fair that he makes more than both of them?
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Available from Scarecrow Press at - https://rowman.com/ISBN/9780810890695
Booker came up with clunkers in the elimination games against both Milwaukee and Dallas. Where's the criticism of his play?
I haven't heard about Booker pouting over his contract.
He also got his max extension in 2018 despite never having been named an All-Star to that point, and never playing on a winning team (or won even 25 games in a season).
Has anyone ever second guessed Devin Booker's work ethic? Or tell me about the time he got himself suspended for using illegal supplements.
There are a lot of guys in the G-League with a great worth ethic. They're not paying him for his work ethic, they're paying him for expected production.
Ayton has improved every year in the league, it's hard to imagine him making the strides he has if he wasn't working on his game.
He hasn't improved enough to justify taking up 30% of the cap. If he had improved to that level he would've received award recognition for it by now.
Maybe he gets there someday, but there's also a chance he doesn't and I don't think it's wise to over pay for "could be and maybe".
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And Ayton is the player who led them to the Finals. Even Indy admitted that he was the MVP of the WCF.
Cool, good for Indy.
And do you really think the Suns would've made the Finals without Chris Paul as their leader? Replace him with a good but not great Point Guard, someone who's similar to Ayton's level at the position, say Mike Conley or Malcolm Brogdon.
I'm tired of this shit about "Chris Paul said he was the MVP of this or that". He says that stuff because he's a leader, and guess what, these guys aren't 100% honest every time there's a microphone in front of them. Maybe he also knows that Ayton is mentally softer than some other guys and needs more hand holding. Do we really need to go over Monty giving Ayton a pep talk during The Finals? He was basically begging him to keep playing hard because Ayton's body language looked like he wanted to give up. IN THE NBA FINALS. But OK, he was the one who led them there.
Ayton in the Finals - 14.7 pts, 12.0 reb, 1.8 ast, 1.5 stl, 1.5 blk, 53% FG%, 91% FT%
Certainly not as good as he was in the conference finals, but not an embarrassment either. And he was playing much of it against Giannis, who is either #1 or #1A when it comes to best player in the NBA.
Al Horford in the ECSF against the Bucks last month - 13 pts, 10.4 reb, 4.1 ast, 1.3 stl, 1.7 blk, 49/39/87 shooting splits
The $27M he's making this season seems fair enough for Deandre Ayton to me.
Kristaps Porzingis made $31.6 million this year. Kevin Love made $31.2 million. So isn't it also fair that he makes more than both of them?
Other teams screwed up so the Suns must do it too.
Great logic.
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One mistake that is frequently made is that people thing that the "maximum salary" is the value of the best players in the league. It's not. It's an artificial constraint to keep the top salaries down so the league rank and file get more money.
If there was no maximum salary several players (LeBron James, Giannis Antetokounmpo, Nikola Jokić, Joel Embiid, etc.) who would be able to demand more than $45 million a year. Yes, it's a shitload of money, but superstars are in demand.
And Ayton's play to this point doesn't justify him being paid $30-35 million a year, but that's what the market will probably be for him. And Booker's not worth $45-50 million a year, but he'll probably end up getting that. That's the market price, and you either pay that or you start losing your players.
Or did we not learn anything from the Joe Johnson fiasco?
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And do you really think the Suns would've made the Finals without Chris Paul as their leader? Replace him with a good but not great Point Guard, someone who's similar to Ayton's level at the position, say Mike Conley or Malcolm Brogdon.
I'm tired of this shit about "Chris Paul said he was the MVP of this or that". He says that stuff because he's a leader, and guess what, these guys aren't 100% honest every time there's a microphone in front of them. Maybe he also knows that Ayton is mentally softer than some other guys and needs more hand holding. Do we really need to go over Monty giving Ayton a pep talk during The Finals? He was basically begging him to keep playing hard because Ayton's body language looked like he wanted to give up. IN THE NBA FINALS. But OK, he was the one who led them there.
Ayton in the Finals - 14.7 pts, 12.0 reb, 1.8 ast, 1.5 stl, 1.5 blk, 53% FG%, 91% FT%
Certainly not as good as he was in the conference finals, but not an embarrassment either. And he was playing much of it against Giannis, who is either #1 or #1A when it comes to best player in the NBA.
Al Horford in the ECSF against the Bucks last month - 13 pts, 10.4 reb, 4.1 ast, 1.3 stl, 1.7 blk, 49/39/87 shooting splits
The $27M he's making this season seems fair enough for Deandre Ayton to me.
Kristaps Porzingis made $31.6 million this year. Kevin Love made $31.2 million. So isn't it also fair that he makes more than both of them?
Other teams screwed up so the Suns must do it too.
Great logic.
Just using your logic to an extreme. We can always find a player who's overpaid (Westbrook or John Wall anybody?) and point at them as the system being broken, but that's the system they've got.
Agents aren't paid to get a player a salary similar to another player, he's paid to get the highest salary possible.
Author of The Basketball Draft Fact Book: A History of Professional Basketball's College Drafts
Available from Scarecrow Press at - https://rowman.com/ISBN/9780810890695
One mistake that is frequently made is that people thing that the "maximum salary" is the value of the best players in the league. It's not. It's an artificial constraint to keep the top salaries down so the league rank and file get more money.
If there was no maximum salary several players (LeBron James, Giannis Antetokounmpo, Nikola Jokić, Joel Embiid, etc.) who would be able to demand more than $45 million a year. Yes, it's a shitload of money, but superstars are in demand.
And Ayton's play to this point doesn't justify him being paid $30-35 million a year, but that's what the market will probably be for him. And Booker's not worth $45-50 million a year, but he'll probably end up getting that. That's the market price, and you either pay that or you start losing your players.
Or did we not learn anything from the Joe Johnson fiasco?
And Joe Johnson wasn’t the first, second, or even third best player on the team.
There's a difference between fair market price and smart team building.
This is exactly why smart teams avoid players like Russell Westbrook, John Wall (when healthy), Kristaps Porzingis, etc. Their "market value" exceeded their "winning value" almost immediately after they signed their contract and made it essentially impossible to win a title with them on the roster.
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Ayton in the Finals - 14.7 pts, 12.0 reb, 1.8 ast, 1.5 stl, 1.5 blk, 53% FG%, 91% FT%
Certainly not as good as he was in the conference finals, but not an embarrassment either. And he was playing much of it against Giannis, who is either #1 or #1A when it comes to best player in the NBA.
Al Horford in the ECSF against the Bucks last month - 13 pts, 10.4 reb, 4.1 ast, 1.3 stl, 1.7 blk, 49/39/87 shooting splits
The $27M he's making this season seems fair enough for Deandre Ayton to me.
Kristaps Porzingis made $31.6 million this year. Kevin Love made $31.2 million. So isn't it also fair that he makes more than both of them?
Other teams screwed up so the Suns must do it too.
Great logic.
Just using your logic to an extreme. We can always find a player who's overpaid (Westbrook or John Wall anybody?) and point at them as the system being broken, but that's the system they've got.
Agents aren't paid to get a player a salary similar to another player, he's paid to get the highest salary possible.
I get all that. I'm saying it's a failing strategy to just blindly follow the rest of the league or give in to all agent/player salary demands.
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I haven't heard about Booker pouting over his contract.
He also got his max extension in 2018 despite never having been named an All-Star to that point, and never playing on a winning team (or won even 25 games in a season).
Has anyone ever second guessed Devin Booker's work ethic? Or tell me about the time he got himself suspended for using illegal supplements.
There are a lot of guys in the G-League with a great worth ethic. They're not paying him for his work ethic, they're paying him for expected production.
Ayton has improved every year in the league, it's hard to imagine him making the strides he has if he wasn't working on his game.
He hasn't improved enough to justify taking up 30% of the cap. If he had improved to that level he would've received award recognition for it by now.
Maybe he gets there someday, but there's also a chance he doesn't and I don't think it's wise to over pay for "could be and maybe".
You mean like Booker? He was a guy that did nothing but score points on teams that couldn’t win more than 25 games a season. No all-star games and no accolades.
There's a difference between fair market price and smart team building.
This is exactly why smart teams avoid players like Russell Westbrook, John Wall (when healthy), Kristaps Porzingis, etc. Their "market value" exceeded their "winning value" almost immediately after they signed their contract and made it essentially impossible to win a title with them on the roster.
But you also don't win championships by being frugal.
They got cheap with Joe Johnson and he wound up going to 7 All-Star Games after they traded him.
They got cheap on Jalen Smith last year and it ended up costing them a good young, prospect.
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He also got his max extension in 2018 despite never having been named an All-Star to that point, and never playing on a winning team (or won even 25 games in a season).
Has anyone ever second guessed Devin Booker's work ethic? Or tell me about the time he got himself suspended for using illegal supplements.
There are a lot of guys in the G-League with a great worth ethic. They're not paying him for his work ethic, they're paying him for expected production.
Ayton has improved every year in the league, it's hard to imagine him making the strides he has if he wasn't working on his game.
He hasn't improved enough to justify taking up 30% of the cap. If he had improved to that level he would've received award recognition for it by now.
Maybe he gets there someday, but there's also a chance he doesn't and I don't think it's wise to over pay for "could be and maybe".
You mean like Booker? He was a guy that did nothing but score points on teams that couldn’t win more than 25 games a season. No all-star games and no accolades.
OK, keep thinking Booker and Ayton are similarly focused on being great at basketball.
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There's a difference between fair market price and smart team building.
This is exactly why smart teams avoid players like Russell Westbrook, John Wall (when healthy), Kristaps Porzingis, etc. Their "market value" exceeded their "winning value" almost immediately after they signed their contract and made it essentially impossible to win a title with them on the roster.
But you also don't win championships by being frugal.
They got cheap with Joe Johnson and he wound up going to 7 All-Star Games after they traded him.
They got cheap on Jalen Smith last year and it ended up costing them a good young, prospect.
Did I say they shouldn't spend the money?
My opinion isn't about being frugal. I don't care about Robert Sarver's wealth.
It's about spending wisely, and a team paying Deandre Ayton 30% of their cap will not win an NBA title in the next four years.
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Has anyone ever second guessed Devin Booker's work ethic? Or tell me about the time he got himself suspended for using illegal supplements.
There are a lot of guys in the G-League with a great worth ethic. They're not paying him for his work ethic, they're paying him for expected production.
Ayton has improved every year in the league, it's hard to imagine him making the strides he has if he wasn't working on his game.
He hasn't improved enough to justify taking up 30% of the cap. If he had improved to that level he would've received award recognition for it by now.
Maybe he gets there someday, but there's also a chance he doesn't and I don't think it's wise to over pay for "could be and maybe".
You mean like Booker? He was a guy that did nothing but score points on teams that couldn’t win more than 25 games a season. No all-star games and no accolades.
OK, keep thinking Booker and Ayton are similarly focused on being great at basketball.
There were many around the league that viewed Booker as a chucker that put up numbers on a crap team. Was it true? At that time it partly was. Excuse me for making a comment mister all seeing and all knowing. None of us should even try to talk basketball with you since you know absolutely everything about the topic and we are all inferior.
And we're back to Ayton's downfall being the fault of the guy who lead the team to the Finals a year ago and just won Coach of the Year.
And Ayton is the player who led them to the Finals. Even Indy admitted that he was the MVP of the WCF.
Cool, good for Indy.
And do you really think the Suns would've made the Finals without Chris Paul as their leader? Replace him with a good but not great Point Guard, someone who's similar to Ayton's level at the position, say Mike Conley or Malcolm Brogdon.
I'm tired of this shit about "Chris Paul said he was the MVP of this or that". He says that stuff because he's a leader, and guess what, these guys aren't 100% honest every time there's a microphone in front of them. Maybe he also knows that Ayton is mentally softer than some other guys and needs more hand holding. Do we really need to go over Monty giving Ayton a pep talk during The Finals? He was basically begging him to keep playing hard because Ayton's body language looked like he wanted to give up. IN THE NBA FINALS. But OK, he was the one who led them there.
1) thank you
2) He was because Chris Paul was out with Covid and Booker broke his face and couldn't adjust in 1 game to the broken nose and face mask. It wasn't because he was the best player on the team.
