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Re: 2018 Suns Offseason News
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:41 pm
by In2ition
Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:36 pm
In2ition wrote: ↑Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:06 pm
If the Suns get away with only giving up a 2nd round pick for Beverly, I will be shocked.
I wouldn't be shocked because I think that's the low end of his trade value and the Clippers don't have any leverage. I said a few weeks ago that giving up anything more than a 2nd rounder for him would be overpaying.
Well then, sign me up.
Re: 2018 Suns Offseason News
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:59 pm
by Mori Chu
It's crazy that we might end up with Beverley, Ariza, and Anderson. Do we have some kind of fetish for former Rockets players?
Re: 2018 Suns Offseason News
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:06 pm
by Shabazz
Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:37 pm
Shabazz wrote: ↑Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:51 pm
What about something like Chandler/Daniels and our unprotected 2nd rounder for Beverly/Boban/Wesley Johnson (who'd be waived)? This way we save them about $2M in salary and clear a roster log-jam for them in addition to the asset.
One issue would be we'd almost certainly be an over-the-cap team to start the season and that would limit our offer to Melton.
That's not a good deal for the Suns. Boban is useless outside of the random night every other month when he goes off.
So... just like Tyson Chandler?
Re: 2018 Suns Offseason News
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:27 pm
by Cap
Marty [Mori Chu] wrote: ↑Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:59 pm
It's crazy that we might end up with Beverley, Ariza, and Anderson. Do we have some kind of fetish for former Rockets players?
It would be weird to go into the season with more Rockets on the roster than Wildcats.
Re: 2018 Suns Offseason News
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:24 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
Shabazz wrote: ↑Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:06 pm
Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:37 pm
Shabazz wrote: ↑Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:51 pm
What about something like Chandler/Daniels and our unprotected 2nd rounder for Beverly/Boban/Wesley Johnson (who'd be waived)? This way we save them about $2M in salary and clear a roster log-jam for them in addition to the asset.
One issue would be we'd almost certainly be an over-the-cap team to start the season and that would limit our offer to Melton.
That's not a good deal for the Suns. Boban is useless outside of the random night every other month when he goes off.
So... just like Tyson Chandler?
Yes, but I'd rather have Chandler helping Ayton than Boban.
Re: 2018 Suns Offseason News
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:49 pm
by Shabazz
We have Holmes. I'm fine with Boban as a 3rd stringer. Like you said he has a function every now and then.
Re: 2018 Suns Offseason News
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:16 pm
by Superbone
https://twitter.com/Suns/status/1041860105564643328
https://twitter.com/Suns/status/1041908366648401922
Ariza, Anderson, Melton, Bridges, Shaq, and Okobo were all at the DBacks game tonight with Ariza throwing out the first pitch.
Re: 2018 Suns Offseason News
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 12:25 am
by Ring_Wanted
jonh wrote: ↑Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:36 pm
Here is a trade scenario proposed on the RealGM board (credit to Kerrsed for proposing it):
Patrick Beverly/Boban
for
Chandler/Bucks 1st. (or 2nd round pick)
The trade removes some of the logjam in the Clipper's backcourt and allows them to reduce their roster. Chandler replaces Boban in the scenario. The trade is definitely a win for the Clippers, and is more risky for the Suns, as they are rolling the dice that Beverly's production isn't going to drop dramatically.
Boban is a sneaky way to add value, but I am afraid I still have to hard pass. A 1stR for current Beverly is a risk we just shouldn't take. If he had not have a serious knee injury, then maybe I could talk myself into it (but probably not anyway, with that expiring contract).
If they don't want a couple of 2ndR (granted, no protection bullsh¡t), there shouldn't be an agreement to reach from our part, which I reckon is perfectly fine with them since they seem to love Beverly (featured him a lot last year in media and team events, despite the injury). So my guess is that they are more than ok just keeping him. And we should be equally ok just keeping the pick.
Some other options: Indiana lowkey has Collison, Joseph and Holiday. Toronto is not short on PGs either (Delon Wright is clearly the odd man out). Washington has a bunch as well and are in cap hell (Satoransky is entering RFA next summer).
Re: 2018 Suns Offseason News
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:16 am
by bajanguy008
Re: 2018 Suns Offseason News
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:29 am
by SDC
bring back tyler ulis
Re: 2018 Suns Offseason News
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 2:52 pm
by Mori Chu
Hey look, the end of the Houston Rockets bench went to a Diamondbacks game!
Re: 2018 Suns Offseason News
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 2:59 pm
by Superbone
Here's a better quality version of the video BG8 posted:
Re: 2018 Suns Offseason News
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:53 am
by Indy
Marty [Mori Chu] wrote: ↑Tue Sep 18, 2018 2:52 pm
Hey look, the end of the Houston Rockets bench went to a Diamondbacks game!
Ariza played the 3rd most minutes of anyone in Houston last year, and Anderson was 7th. Neither were close to the end of the bench.
Re: 2018 Suns Offseason News
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 6:38 am
by carey
Indy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:53 am
Marty [Mori Chu] wrote: ↑Tue Sep 18, 2018 2:52 pm
Hey look, the end of the Houston Rockets bench went to a Diamondbacks game!
Ariza played the 3rd most minutes of anyone in Houston last year, and Anderson was 7th. Neither were close to the end of the bench.
Don't mess with Mori's narrative!
Re: 2018 Suns Offseason News
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 8:58 am
by Superbone
carey wrote: ↑Wed Sep 19, 2018 6:38 am
Indy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:53 am
Marty [Mori Chu] wrote: ↑Tue Sep 18, 2018 2:52 pm
Hey look, the end of the Houston Rockets bench went to a Diamondbacks game!
Ariza played the 3rd most minutes of anyone in Houston last year, and Anderson was 7th. Neither were close to the end of the bench.
Don't mess with Mori's narrative!
The Westworld effect in action.
Re: 2018 Suns Offseason News
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 9:28 am
by Mori Chu
It was just a troll post.
I do think it's funny how many former Rockets we are stockpiling. There are worse teams to grab talent from than Houston.
Re: 2018 Suns Offseason News
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 3:30 pm
by Cap
Marty [Mori Chu] wrote: ↑Wed Sep 19, 2018 9:28 am
It was just a troll post.
I do think it's funny how many former Rockets we are stockpiling. There are worse teams to grab talent from than Houston.
I thought it was really cool when the Mavs had Nash, Finley, Ceballos, Green and Hot Rod. They stockpiled a whole lineup of former Suns. They also had Donnie Nelson serving as an assistant coach. Two seasons earlier, all six had been with us on the team that started 0-13 before we sent Finley and Green to Dallas.
Re: 2018 Suns Offseason News
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 3:47 pm
by In2ition
Cap wrote: ↑Wed Sep 19, 2018 3:30 pm
Marty [Mori Chu] wrote: ↑Wed Sep 19, 2018 9:28 am
It was just a troll post.
I do think it's funny how many former Rockets we are stockpiling. There are worse teams to grab talent from than Houston.
I thought it was really cool when the Mavs had Nash, Finley, Ceballos, Green and Hot Rod. They stockpiled a whole lineup of former Suns. They also had Donnie Nelson serving as an assistant coach. Two seasons earlier, all six had been with us on the team that started 0-13 before we sent Finley and Green to Dallas.
And didn't help turn the Mavs culture around?
Re: 2018 Suns Offseason News
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:16 pm
by Cap
In2ition wrote: ↑Wed Sep 19, 2018 3:47 pm
Cap wrote: ↑Wed Sep 19, 2018 3:30 pm
Marty [Mori Chu] wrote: ↑Wed Sep 19, 2018 9:28 am
It was just a troll post.
I do think it's funny how many former Rockets we are stockpiling. There are worse teams to grab talent from than Houston.
I thought it was really cool when the Mavs had Nash, Finley, Ceballos, Green and Hot Rod. They stockpiled a whole lineup of former Suns. They also had Donnie Nelson serving as an assistant coach. Two seasons earlier, all six had been with us on the team that started 0-13 before we sent Finley and Green to Dallas.
And didn't help turn the Mavs culture around?
Yup. Would have been hard not to. Mavs culture was a disaster at the time.
And to be fair, Hot Rod wasn’t around for the streak (he missed it with injury), and neither was Ceballos, who arrived in a trade about the same time Finley and Green were sent out.
Re: 2018 Suns Offseason News
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 8:48 pm
by Charlie Smithy!
Hated that Finley trade at the time, still do.