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Re: NBA FA 2020 & Suns FA targets
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:41 pm
by Superbone
What I find really strange is that we seem to be playing great with Payne and Carter as our backups yet folks here want to muck with it.
Re: NBA FA 2020 & Suns FA targets
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 5:05 am
by Ring_Wanted
carey wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:14 am
Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 12:28 am
To me, this is worth the risk of a relevant contract on a older player, especially because by his third year you are giving yourself a nice trading chip to try to make a move to get to the next level, something that shouldn't be overlooked because by then we will have Booker, Ayton and probably others making a lot of money.
Kind of catching up on this thread. When is the last time the Suns used an expiring as a trade chip to improve the team? Lately we've just been buying guys out and saving a few bucks. So I'm not really keen on any contract that has us already assuming we'd need to use the last year as a trade chip.
I know it's not probable, but I post about what I believe would be the best for the franchise. Thinking about roster moves is no fun when you have to account for the handicap that comes from having one of the worst owners in the business...
Re: NBA FA 2020 & Suns FA targets
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 5:07 am
by Ring_Wanted
Superbone wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:41 pm
What I find really strange is that we seem to be playing great with Payne and Carter as our backups yet folks here want to muck with it.
Personally, I see Carter mainly as a keeper. Payne has been a nice surprise, but he has to prove that he is more than a flas in the pan, which of course I hope he does.
Re: NBA FA 2020 & Suns FA targets
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:13 am
by Split T
The Carter/Kaminsky minutes will get eaten up by Oubre if he comes back. Listed as doubtful today. I like Carter, I’d bring him back as long as we’re not counting on a regular rotation spot more than spot minutes.
Re: NBA FA 2020 & Suns FA targets
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:35 am
by In2ition
INFORMER wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:24 pm
In2ition wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:58 am
I will add in another reason.
8. The best teams in the West have multiple big bigs and can go with huge lineups. Blazers, Mavs, Lakers, Denver, Memphis
Blazers - Zach Collins doesn't a decided advantage over our small lineup. I think the Blazers end up having to match up with us.
Mavs - they're mostly playing small; you make draft decisions to counter Boban. Sign Christ Koumadje and call it a day
Lakers - they eventually go to a LeBron-Kuzma-Davis frontline; Howard and McGee don't scare me into trying to match size for size
Denver - They aren't running huge lineups; they may not even bring back Paul Millsap, and Michael Porter Jr. and Jerami Grant are perimeter players.
Memphis - good point, but you don't beat Memphis at their own game; and JJJ spends a lot of time on the perimeter and is a poor rebounder
I think having a big off the bench helps you against foul trouble and matchups against the starter and a big backup where another mismatch could happen. This type of roster versatility helps with some matchups and not others so much.
Re: NBA FA 2020 & Suns FA targets
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:45 am
by O_Gardino
Superbone wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:41 pm
What I find really strange is that we seem to be playing great with Payne and Carter as our backups yet folks here want to muck with it.
Yeah, lets enjoy the show for another week at least.
Re: NBA FA 2020 & Suns FA targets
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:49 am
by INFORMER
Superbone wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:41 pm
What I find really strange is that we seem to be playing great with Payne and Carter as our backups yet folks here want to muck with it.
That is silly. The team is playing great. Payne is playing great. Carter has had a few moments defensively here and there. But I wouldn't say he has been great. And with that logic, we might as well say we're playing great with Frank Kaminsky and include him in the core.
Re: NBA FA 2020 & Suns FA targets
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:50 am
by INFORMER
O_Gardino wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:45 am
Superbone wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:41 pm
What I find really strange is that we seem to be playing great with Payne and Carter as our backups yet folks here want to muck with it.
Yeah, lets enjoy the show for another week at least.
Weird talking about free agent targets in the free agent targets thread.
Maybe we should lock the thread...
Re: NBA FA 2020 & Suns FA targets
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:04 pm
by INFORMER
In2ition wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:35 am
INFORMER wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:24 pm
In2ition wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:58 am
I will add in another reason.
8. The best teams in the West have multiple big bigs and can go with huge lineups. Blazers, Mavs, Lakers, Denver, Memphis
Blazers - Zach Collins doesn't a decided advantage over our small lineup. I think the Blazers end up having to match up with us.
Mavs - they're mostly playing small; you make draft decisions to counter Boban. Sign Christ Koumadje and call it a day
Lakers - they eventually go to a LeBron-Kuzma-Davis frontline; Howard and McGee don't scare me into trying to match size for size
Denver - They aren't running huge lineups; they may not even bring back Paul Millsap, and Michael Porter Jr. and Jerami Grant are perimeter players.
Memphis - good point, but you don't beat Memphis at their own game; and JJJ spends a lot of time on the perimeter and is a poor rebounder
I think having a big off the bench helps you against foul trouble and matchups against the starter and a big backup where another mismatch could happen. This type of roster versatility helps with some matchups and not others so much.
I mean, yeah, of course we need a backup big. We had Baynes this year, and next year we'll have someone, perhaps even Baynes returns.
But does the need for a backup big mean you spend a top 4 pick in the draft on one?
Re: NBA FA 2020 & Suns FA targets
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:09 pm
by Superbone
INFORMER wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:49 am
Superbone wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:41 pm
What I find really strange is that we seem to be playing great with Payne and Carter as our backups yet folks here want to muck with it.
That is silly. The team is playing great. Payne is playing great. Carter has had a few moments defensively here and there. But I wouldn't say he has been great. And with that logic, we might as well say we're playing great with Frank Kaminsky and include him in the core.
THAT is silly, silly.
Re: NBA FA 2020 & Suns FA targets
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:10 pm
by Superbone
INFORMER wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:50 am
O_Gardino wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:45 am
Superbone wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:41 pm
What I find really strange is that we seem to be playing great with Payne and Carter as our backups yet folks here want to muck with it.
Yeah, lets enjoy the show for another week at least.
Weird talking about free agent targets in the free agent targets thread.
Maybe we should lock the thread...
Then it should be in the NBA FA 2021 thread!
Re: NBA FA 2020 & Suns FA targets
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:32 pm
by O_Gardino
INFORMER wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:50 am
O_Gardino wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:45 am
Superbone wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:41 pm
What I find really strange is that we seem to be playing great with Payne and Carter as our backups yet folks here want to muck with it.
Yeah, lets enjoy the show for another week at least.
Weird talking about free agent targets in the free agent targets thread.
Maybe we should lock the thread...
Its about the timing, bud.
Re: NBA FA 2020 & Suns FA targets
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:34 pm
by Superbone
O_Gardino wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:32 pm
INFORMER wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:50 am
O_Gardino wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:45 am
Superbone wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:41 pm
What I find really strange is that we seem to be playing great with Payne and Carter as our backups yet folks here want to muck with it.
Yeah, lets enjoy the show for another week at least.
Weird talking about free agent targets in the free agent targets thread.
Maybe we should lock the thread...
Its about the timing, bud.
Thank you!
Re: NBA FA 2020 & Suns FA targets
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:35 pm
by In2ition
INFORMER wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:04 pm
In2ition wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:35 am
INFORMER wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:24 pm
In2ition wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:58 am
I will add in another reason.
8. The best teams in the West have multiple big bigs and can go with huge lineups. Blazers, Mavs, Lakers, Denver, Memphis
Blazers - Zach Collins doesn't a decided advantage over our small lineup. I think the Blazers end up having to match up with us.
Mavs - they're mostly playing small; you make draft decisions to counter Boban. Sign Christ Koumadje and call it a day
Lakers - they eventually go to a LeBron-Kuzma-Davis frontline; Howard and McGee don't scare me into trying to match size for size
Denver - They aren't running huge lineups; they may not even bring back Paul Millsap, and Michael Porter Jr. and Jerami Grant are perimeter players.
Memphis - good point, but you don't beat Memphis at their own game; and JJJ spends a lot of time on the perimeter and is a poor rebounder
I think having a big off the bench helps you against foul trouble and matchups against the starter and a big backup where another mismatch could happen. This type of roster versatility helps with some matchups and not others so much.
I mean, yeah, of course we need a backup big. We had Baynes this year, and next year we'll have someone, perhaps even Baynes returns.
But does the need for a backup big mean you spend a top 4 pick in the draft on one?
I get that, but it's not quite that simply described. Yeah, it's not the best if it's strictly for a backup big, but it seems that anyone that they pick around that range is going to be a backup. This is partial backup, partial insurance policy, & partial investment as I think he's going to be highly valued in time.
Re: NBA FA 2020 & Suns FA targets
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:47 pm
by INFORMER
In2ition wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:35 pm
it seems that anyone that they pick around that range is going to be a backup
I think the difference is that if you choose LaMelo Ball, you expect him to eventually be a high level starter, and there is room on the roster for that to happen. Ditto for Tobbin and Haliburton. That wouldn't be true of Wiseman.
In2ition wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:35 pm
Partial investment as I think he's going to be highly valued in time.
It is going to be really difficult to get a return on that investment. Nearly every NBA team has their center position solved; there won't be many motivated to give up equal value, especially when Wiseman is about to a free agent. The Suns wouldn't be in position to match a substantial offer to him with Ayton making the max.
In2ition wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:35 pm
partial insurance policy
Because you're not sold on Ayton?
Re: NBA FA 2020 & Suns FA targets
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:49 pm
by INFORMER
Superbone wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:34 pm
O_Gardino wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:32 pm
INFORMER wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:50 am
O_Gardino wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:45 am
Superbone wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:41 pm
What I find really strange is that we seem to be playing great with Payne and Carter as our backups yet folks here want to muck with it.
Yeah, lets enjoy the show for another week at least.
Weird talking about free agent targets in the free agent targets thread.
Maybe we should lock the thread...
Its about the timing, bud.
Thank you!
Y'all are great, but I'm going have to commit blasphemy just this one time and actually entertain the possibility of upgrading from Jevon Carter. I know he is untouchable and all, but I just can't help myself. Sorry.
Re: NBA FA 2020 & Suns FA targets
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:00 pm
by specialsauce
INFORMER wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:49 pm
Superbone wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:34 pm
O_Gardino wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:32 pm
INFORMER wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:50 am
O_Gardino wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:45 am
Yeah, lets enjoy the show for another week at least.
Weird talking about free agent targets in the free agent targets thread.
Maybe we should lock the thread...
Its about the timing, bud.
Thank you!
Y'all are great, but I'm going have to commit blasphemy just this one time and actually entertain the possibility of upgrading from Jevon Carter. I know he is untouchable and all, but I just can't help myself. Sorry.
Upgrade to Shaq? Lol.
Now TJ I can get behind.
Re: NBA FA 2020 & Suns FA targets
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:06 pm
by In2ition
INFORMER wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:47 pm
In2ition wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:35 pm
it seems that anyone that they pick around that range is going to be a backup
I think the difference is that if you choose LaMelo Ball, you expect him to eventually be a high level starter, and there is room on the roster for that to happen. Ditto for Tobbin and Haliburton. That wouldn't be true of Wiseman.
In2ition wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:35 pm
Partial investment as I think he's going to be highly valued in time.
It is going to be really difficult to get a return on that investment. Nearly every NBA team has their center position solved; there won't be many motivated to give up equal value, especially when Wiseman is about to a free agent. The Suns wouldn't be in position to match a substantial offer to him with Ayton making the max.
In2ition wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:35 pm
partial insurance policy
Because you're not sold on Ayton?
That last part is my biggest fear. I am just worried that Ayton is going to break all of our hearts by fumbling a pass or missing something because he tried to avoid contact.
Re: NBA FA 2020 & Suns FA targets
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 2:13 pm
by Indy
INFORMER wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:49 pm
Superbone wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:34 pm
O_Gardino wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:32 pm
INFORMER wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:50 am
O_Gardino wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:45 am
Yeah, lets enjoy the show for another week at least.
Weird talking about free agent targets in the free agent targets thread.
Maybe we should lock the thread...
Its about the timing, bud.
Thank you!
Y'all are great, but I'm going have to commit blasphemy just this one time and actually entertain the possibility of upgrading from Jevon Carter. I know he is untouchable and all, but I just can't help myself. Sorry.
I forgot about the rule that says you can't comment on how to make something better if we finally won more than 2 games in a row.
Re: NBA FA 2020 & Suns FA targets
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:35 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
I'm content with running back with everyone besides Kaminsky and Jerome.