Re: NBA DRAFT 2019 THREAD
Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2019 7:21 am
I feel the exact same as I did when we drafted Warren / Ennis. Like, why do we need another SF, and this guard is not an nba player.
Honestly, I wasn't even thinking of you INF. It wasn't even anyone in particular but a general sentiment. I agree that the draft wasn't great and just speaking about that is fine. It's when those general people speak about the entire off-season and look at one piece of it and make a blanket judgment of the whole. Sorry if you felt this was directed at you. I promise it wasn't. You always make measured posts.INFORMER wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:55 pmFree agency doesn't have anything to do with drafting well. There isn't a rule against pursuing free agents AND making smart draft selections. There isn't a free agent acquisition that necessitates taking Cameron Johnson at 11. So I can't buy the whole "free agency will make everything better" angle you're selling.
Also, I'm not acting like he is already finished. Draft night is finished. And that is what I was commenting on.
And how on earth am I being hit with hackneyed and lazy "sky is falling" dismissive take when I was one of the few that posted in depth why Saric was such a good acquisition?
But this is how it goes here, and no matter how long things remain the same, some will continue to do the same thing. Every offseason for nearly 10 years now. The Suns do something stupid. Posters react negatively. The self-proclaimed optimists fire back with a "sky-is-falling" quip. Sigh.
No matter how you dice it, it's a feel good story all around.
They're pretty liberal with their busts. Oubre Jr. and Danny Manning?virtual9mm wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 11:11 amIf you want a depressing story with many current and past Suns...
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Yeah, I know. But Manning makes me sad. Had he not gone down with that second ACL or had modern treatments been around back then, the Suns would have won at least one title. Manning. Barkley. KJ. Majerle. That was the first modern superteam created by free agency.Superbone wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 11:20 amThey're pretty liberal with their busts. Oubre Jr. and Danny Manning?virtual9mm wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 11:11 amIf you want a depressing story with many current and past Suns...
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They list Oubre as a bust? I’m not going to even read the article in that case. He was a 14th pick, he’s 23, he’s a starter and is about to get an 8 figure yearly salary. Not even close to a bust.Superbone wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 11:20 amThey're pretty liberal with their busts. Oubre Jr. and Danny Manning?virtual9mm wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 11:11 amIf you want a depressing story with many current and past Suns...
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Setting aside what we know about Jacobsen's NBA career, that actually is a good comparison. Jacobsen was drafted because the Suns were trying to fill a specific need for shooting. Ironically, I felt at the time that their were better players available.Democritus wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:57 amWho would you rather have: Casey Jacobsen or Cam Johnson?
I'll go ahead and end the suspense for you: Ty Jerome will not be as good as Steve Nash and Jarrett Culver will be better than Julian Wright.virtual9mm wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 11:09 amTy can end up Nash or Casey Jacobsen. Who knows whether Jarett Culver will end up Brandon Roy or Julian Wright.
As long as we can call Cam Champ too and he's still on the Suns, that works for me.INFORMER wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 1:53 pmSetting aside what we know about Jacobsen's NBA career, that actually is a good comparison. Jacobsen was drafted because the Suns were trying to fill a specific need for shooting. Ironically, I felt at the time that their were better players available.Democritus wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:57 amWho would you rather have: Casey Jacobsen or Cam Johnson?
Unfortunately for the Suns, Casey wasn't really a shooter. He was a good college scorer who really couldn't do much against NBA athletes.
I don't think Cam will have the same issue. He has better size and athleticism than Casey, and I think he is a better shooter. I honestly think he is a James Jones clone, which should mean he should have a long though likely unremarkable NBA career.
Was there a better shooter available past 11? Definitely a better candidate. Brandon Clarke didn’t seem that impressive. It definitely sucks to lack confidence im our draft. It’s pretty clear the FO has such a reputation of making bad moves that they los leverage even when they have a docent chip (Warren).ShelC wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:23 amThe scouting stuff is concerning and I heard the pod where they went off about our draft prep, or lack thereof, and only scouting one conference, maybe not doing homework on guys they should've been looking at. But along with scouting players also comes gathering info on other teams, who they're interested in, knowing player projections. I think taking Johnson at 11 showed a serious lack of knowledge of all the prospects and where they were slotted to go. I'm all about "take your guy if he's there" but this was a clear reach. And really, anyone who knows the draft knows that Jrs and Srs and older players typically go mid-late first round and 2nd round. If wanted older, more polished players, we could've traded back again into the 20s and taken Cam and TyJerome just the same. Clarke too. That's not "hindsight is 20/20", that's knowing the draft.
INFORMER wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 1:55 pmI'll go ahead and end the suspense for you: Ty Jerome will not be as good as Steve Nash and Jarrett Culver will be better than Julian Wright.virtual9mm wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 11:09 amTy can end up Nash or Casey Jacobsen. Who knows whether Jarett Culver will end up Brandon Roy or Julian Wright.
Almost certainly yes. But I remember how Julian Wright was pumped as the next big versatile thing and even how Nash was a skinny, unathletic shooter.INFORMER wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 1:55 pmI'll go ahead and end the suspense for you: Ty Jerome will not be as good as Steve Nash and Jarrett Culver will be better than Julian Wright.virtual9mm wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 11:09 amTy can end up Nash or Casey Jacobsen. Who knows whether Jarett Culver will end up Brandon Roy or Julian Wright.
Maybe Dylan Windler, who went #26 to CLE. Doesn't come with the plus of 'high release' that Can has, or his alleged potential to play PF, but health is not questionable.Drewsprocket wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:09 pmWas there a better shooter available past 11? Definitely a better candidate. Brandon Clarke didn’t seem that impressive. It definitely sucks to lack confidence im our draft. It’s pretty clear the FO has such a reputation of making bad moves that they los leverage even when they have a docent chip (Warren).ShelC wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:23 amThe scouting stuff is concerning and I heard the pod where they went off about our draft prep, or lack thereof, and only scouting one conference, maybe not doing homework on guys they should've been looking at. But along with scouting players also comes gathering info on other teams, who they're interested in, knowing player projections. I think taking Johnson at 11 showed a serious lack of knowledge of all the prospects and where they were slotted to go. I'm all about "take your guy if he's there" but this was a clear reach. And really, anyone who knows the draft knows that Jrs and Srs and older players typically go mid-late first round and 2nd round. If wanted older, more polished players, we could've traded back again into the 20s and taken Cam and TyJerome just the same. Clarke too. That's not "hindsight is 20/20", that's knowing the draft.