I've frequented multiple Hawks forums and not found one of their fans say anything negative about him. Most think he's the best HC the Hawks have ever had and consider him their best asset and don't want to lose him. Some are even calling for their new GM's head over this whole ordeal.
Hiring Budenholzer will be the best thing McD has done since drafting Booker imo. I would even be okay with getting screwed in the lottery and falling to #3 if we can get him. He's someone that will establish a well run system in Phoenix and a coach that can last here at least 10+ years. And I'm someone that's big on continuity in sports as well.
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Bad news is that McD is likely to mortgage the team's future to try to save his job with a good season.
Honestly, a year ago I might have agreed with you as I had no idea what he was up to, but now his plan is starting to come into focus. I have a feeling you guys along with everyone around the NBA are going to be in for a big surprise how good this team is going to be and be set up for a long sustained success.
It sounds like your are basing this off of your...intuition.
Haha, not really. I'm seeing what he's doing and where he seems to be going.
Their just playing a joke with your username man.
I should have included a CSI miami Sunglasses picture to drive the point home.
So it's not just us making shit up, There is historic precedent for giving up a 1st round pick.
When the Los Angeles Clippers hired Doc Rivers away from the Boston Celtics before the 2013-14 season the Celtics received an unprotected first-round pick in 2015, which ended up No. 28.
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So it's not just us making s*** up, There is historic precedent for giving up a 1st round pick.
When the Los Angeles Clippers hired Doc Rivers away from the Boston Celtics before the 2013-14 season the Celtics received an unprotected first-round pick in 2015, which ended up No. 28.
The Clippers were hiring Rivers to also be their senior vice of basketball operations in addition to being head coach. Budenholzer is kind of the opposite - he's being paid the salary he negotiated as president of basketball operations with the Hawks before they hired Travis Schlenk away from Golden State to be their GM and take over Budenholzer's front office duties.
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Many of these coaches have some type of relationship with a star who may have been linked in some way to the Suns. Does that matter when hiring a coach?
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ShelC wrote:I think a 1st is pretty standard. And given where we're at as a club, give them the Bucks pick and move on with Budz. Just git er dun.
Put the #31 on the table and another PHX unprotected second. MIL's pick is a ton to give up, although we are desperate enough and a change in the direction of the frachise would justify it. Still, an overpay is an overpay. I'd give up Chriss before that pick.
How many picks in that range does Atlanta need? I would think they would prefer a future pick.
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In2ition wrote:How many picks in that range does Atlanta need? I would think they would prefer a future pick.
That's true, they've got 3, 19, 30, 33 already. Maybe just give them our 2nd next year. Or how about we do a double pick swap. We get 19/33, they get 16/31?
Damn, I was actually thinking about the Miami pick we didn't get this year. I'd give them that one. It's a future pick they can stash and Miami might end up falling off at some point in the next year or 2.
In2ition wrote:How many picks in that range does Atlanta need? I would think they would prefer a future pick.
That's true, they've got 3, 19, 30, 33 already. Maybe just give them our 2nd next year. Or how about we do a double pick swap. We get 19/33, they get 16/31?
If Atlanta feels they have too many picks in 2018, I'd gladly keep #31 and offer two future unprotected 2ndRs, even three plus cash.
The swap between 19/33 and 16/31 for Bud would leave a sour taste in my mouth but I'd probably bite if it came down to it.
MIA's future pick is obviously untouchable in such a move.
In2ition wrote:How many picks in that range does Atlanta need? I would think they would prefer a future pick.
That's true, they've got 3, 19, 30, 33 already. Maybe just give them our 2nd next year. Or how about we do a double pick swap. We get 19/33, they get 16/31?
If Atlanta feels they have too many picks in 2018, I'd gladly keep #31 and offer two future unprotected 2ndRs, even three plus cash.
The swap between 19/33 and 16/31 for Bud would leave a sour taste in my mouth but I'd probably bite if it came down to it.
MIA's future pick is obviously untouchable in such a move.
I agree with this.
Didn't realize Atlanta had so many good picks this year.
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UglyTruth wrote:Why is Vogel a better candidate than Jerry Stackhouse?
I think they would've been better off going after Messina (who is already interviewing with Charlotte), Kokosov, Nurse instead of guys like Clifford/Vogel.
Vogel has already proven himself with success at the NBA level in Indiana. He had that team playing really well. He hasn't done well in Orlando, but I think part of this is that he has had a dreadful roster of mismatched pieces and almost no shooting up or down the roster. Vogel wouldn't be my first choice, but I think he is a solid NBA head coach.
I agree with you that Messina would be interesting. I am not a big fan of Kokoskov, but maybe I just underrate him from his time here during the bad old days.
UglyTruth wrote:Why is Vogel a better candidate than Jerry Stackhouse?
I think they would've been better off going after Messina (who is already interviewing with Charlotte), Kokosov, Nurse instead of guys like Clifford/Vogel.
Vogel has already proven himself with success at the NBA level in Indiana. He had that team playing really well. He hasn't done well in Orlando, but I think part of this is that he has had a dreadful roster of mismatched pieces and almost no shooting up or down the roster. Vogel wouldn't be my first choice, but I think he is a solid NBA head coach.
I agree with you that Messina would be interesting. I am not a big fan of Kokoskov, but maybe I just underrate him from his time here during the bad old days.
The fact that Vogel spent a year playing Aaron Gordon at SF fills me with misgivings.