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Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2024 8:34 am
by Mori Chu
Without Chris Paul (one of the best all-time PGs) feeding him, Ayton is pretty run-of-the-mill.
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2024 10:16 am
by Vladimir_Taltos
The truly sad and frustrating part is that...
DA obviously has the potential...he has the skills, the physique that COULD have been something ground breaking in the league.
The TRAGEDY of DeTragic Aint'in is he has a HEART that's 3 sizes too small! He has no fundamental love for the game, and thus never seems to apply himself to the work or in game effort to BE someone great.
He should have gone off and learned programming and been a game developer, or whatever was something he'd be passionate about...then he might of been great at it. Hoops? He OBVIOUSLY has no passion for the game...thus he's living a lie...he's a fraud!
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2024 10:57 am
by Split T
Sigh…We’re never moving on are we?
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2024 12:16 pm
by Shabazz
Vladimir_Taltos wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 10:16 am
The truly sad and frustrating part is that...
DA obviously has the potential...he has the skills, the physique that COULD have been something ground breaking in the league.
The TRAGEDY of DeTragic Aint'in is he has a HEART that's 3 sizes too small! He has no fundamental love for the game, and thus never seems to apply himself to the work or in game effort to BE someone great.
He should have gone off and learned programming and been a game developer, or whatever was something he'd be passionate about...then he might of been great at it. Hoops? He OBVIOUSLY has no passion for the game...thus he's living a lie...he's a fraud!
If I could work hard for 1.5 years of my life and walk away with almost $200M in career earnings, sign me up for being a fraud.
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2024 12:43 pm
by rhylek
Is he really a fraud since he openly said that his goal was his paycheck?
BTW loving videogames doesn't make you a good dev.
Loving eating doesn't make you a chef.
When I studied at college, from the 150 who started programming class, only 15 finished the first year.
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2024 1:08 pm
by Mori Chu
Game development is brutal. Liking to play video games doesn't much indicate whether a person can succeed at developing them. When I taught intro computer science, a lot of students said they wanted to learn to code video games. As rhylek said, many of them washed out.
But VT, I get that you're just using that as an example; you're telling him, pick something you love and do that. Don't do basketball just because you're tall, if you don't love it.
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2024 1:15 pm
by Cap
Mori Chu wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 1:08 pm
Don't do basketball just because you're tall, if you don't love it.
Gotta disagree. If you can make millions of dollars per year and retire at 30, bite the bullet and do it.
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2024 1:20 pm
by Superbone
I love it when people say "Oh, that must be such a fun job!" I tell them creating a game is a lot different than playing a game. It is engineering just like for anything else. Only nobody will die if you make a mistake. Having said that, I was blessed to be able to make games for a living for 33 years out of a 35 year career. Only my first two years after graduating from college were outside of gaming. And I only worked for three gaming companies in those 33 years. One of them for only 7 months. So, I had unheard of longevity (for gaming) for two of those jobs. 23 years at Sony alone.
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2024 1:21 pm
by Superbone
Cap wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 1:15 pm
Mori Chu wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 1:08 pm
Don't do basketball just because you're tall, if you don't love it.
Gotta disagree. If you can make millions of dollars per year and retire at 30, bite the bullet and do it.
I'm with Cap. Even if you have to take the ridicule. Just don't play for my team!
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2024 1:48 pm
by Vladimir_Taltos
Cap wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 1:15 pm
Mori Chu wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 1:08 pm
Don't do basketball just because you're tall, if you don't love it.
Gotta disagree. If you can make millions of dollars per year and retire at 30, bite the bullet and do it.
Just cause they're suckers that will pay for height and potential over heart and passion doesn't make it right...that's a con at the end of the day...
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2024 1:49 pm
by Vladimir_Taltos
If you're going to take the contract and the money, have the INTEGRITY to do the work! That's the bottom line of it all...
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2024 1:56 pm
by Cap
Vladimir_Taltos wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 1:49 pm
If you're going to take the contract and the money, have the INTEGRITY to do the work! That's the bottom line of it all...
Ayton’s not lazy, he just doesn’t have the head for the game. He’s not a bad person and not trying to cheat anyone.
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2024 2:01 pm
by Vladimir_Taltos
If we rate someone on work ethic...
Kobe would be a 12 out of 10 on a 10 point scale.
... where would you place DeAndre? And at what level is lack of heart or work ethic...fraud? I'd put DeAndre at a 3...4 at best. Getting $200M and giving a 3.5 in work effort? No bueno...
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2024 2:08 pm
by Kryptonic
Vladimir_Taltos wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 2:01 pm
If we rate someone on work ethic...
Kobe would be a 12 out of 10 on a 10 point scale.
... where would you place DeAndre? And at what level is lack of heart or work ethic...fraud? I'd put DeAndre at a 3...4 at best. Getting $200M and giving a 3.5 in work effort? No bueno...
I’d give him a 6….. now ayton, he’d give himself a 15/10. I don’t think he’s as much lazy as he’s not super motivated to be more.
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2024 2:08 pm
by TOO
Vladimir_Taltos wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 2:01 pm
If we rate someone on work ethic...
Kobe would be a 12 out of 10 on a 10 point scale.
... where would you place DeAndre? And at what level is lack of heart or work ethic...fraud? I'd put DeAndre at a 3...4 at best. Getting $200M and giving a 3.5 in work effort? No bueno...
It's pretty bueno if you can do it though.
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2024 3:03 pm
by Shabazz
Ayton is who he is. If he had Booker’s brain and work ethic he’d be an all-timer. But it was on the Suns to identify that, not count on him to change who he is at his core.
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2024 3:49 pm
by Superbone
Yep, it's not like he is a horrible basketball player. Just doesn't play to his potential. He's very skilled. That's no accident. He's just not interested in forcing contact and playing through people. He is a gentle giant. Has an inconsistent motor.
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2024 9:04 pm
by JeremyG
Superbone wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 3:20 am
specialsauce wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 9:31 pm
DEANDRE A GOD TONIGHT
Fouled out in less than 20 minutes with 2 points, 4 boards, 3 assists, 3 steals, a block, and a turnover. Free throws? 0-0.
3 steals and 1 block in less than 20 minutes? And 5 and a half assists per 36? That's incredible production!
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2024 9:19 pm
by SunsRIt
JeremyG wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 9:04 pm
Superbone wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 3:20 am
specialsauce wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 9:31 pm
DEANDRE A GOD TONIGHT
Fouled out in less than 20 minutes with 2 points, 4 boards, 3 assists, 3 steals, a block, and a turnover. Free throws? 0-0.
3 steals and 1 block in less than 20 minutes? And 5 and a half assists per 36? That's incredible production!
You cant be serious. It’s just a joke at this point.
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2024 9:38 pm
by Superbone
SunsRIt wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 9:19 pm
JeremyG wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 9:04 pm
Superbone wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 3:20 am
specialsauce wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 9:31 pm
DEANDRE A GOD TONIGHT
Fouled out in less than 20 minutes with 2 points, 4 boards, 3 assists, 3 steals, a block, and a turnover. Free throws? 0-0.
3 steals and 1 block in less than 20 minutes? And 5 and a half assists per 36? That's incredible production!
You cant be serious. It’s just a joke at this point.
The
tells me he wasn't serious. Not totally anyway.