Lauri has to be in there.TheOriginalOriginal wrote:Why wouldn't Simmons be considered an actual rookie?
Anyway, I think the top 4-5 outside of Simmons have been Tatum, Kuzma, Mitchell, and Collins. Ball had that one amazing game against the Bledsoes, but has been pretty meh otherwise. Jackson has flashed as well. Feel bad for Fultz.
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Uh, I think they Suns are trying hard to do exactly this, but people have to cooperate. A (relatively) good pick is a realistic goal, but a prospect the caliber of Fox is out of reach unless the deal was way bigger than Bledsoe, but if I was the Kings, I'd be hard pressed to answer to the 'why do it' question.1tinsoldier wrote:i'm concerned that what we get for Bled is someone who doesn't work into our future plans anyway
if we need a young point with potential, and that's who we'd pick next year, why not get it over with now and put Bled's value to work toward's that goal -- either in a trade for someone like Fox now or for a good pick (that we might package with our pick next year for a top pick)
it would hurt our youngins to not play with a starting caliber point this year, so i'd opt for option 1
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The Kings aren't giving up Fox so you all might as well get over that now. That is unless you want to make a blockbuster trade and give them 1st round pick(s) too.
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Apparently, Gambo is saying Knight has been "reinvigorated" due to Watson's firing and the pending trade of Bledsoe. The front office wants to see what Knight can do next year now that Watson is gone. Gambo suggested that Knight had issues with Watson and that when he took over is when Knight's play took a nosedive. So maybe we won't need a PG after all. We can only hope that Knight still has value to us.
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Well there's no f'ing way anybody's going to trade for him, so we have little choice but to give him a try in the hope that this is true.Superbone wrote:Apparently, Gambo is saying Knight has been "reinvigorated" due to Watson's firing and the pending trade of Bledsoe. The front office wants to see what Knight can do next year now that Watson is gone. Gambo suggested that Knight had issues with Watson and that when he took over is when Knight's play took a nosedive. So maybe we won't need a PG after all. We can only hope that Knight still has value to us.
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yes, that's what i'm throwing out there for considerationSuperbone wrote:The Kings aren't giving up Fox so you all might as well get over that now. That is unless you want to make a blockbuster trade and give them 1st round pick(s) too.
offering Bledsoe and our next pick, if we believe we couldn't do better than Fox next year in the draft anyway
it's like trading top picks and giving them a quality point guard too
it's actually risky on our part. I still think Jackson was a safer pick than Fox.
i don't know Sac's situation
but for us this scenario comes down how high we think we'll pick next year
and is there likely to be a desirable point guard available
my main point is to trade Bledsoe for potential, not near equal value
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if knight was available this year, i'd say we roll with him and just trade Bledsoe for value
since he isn't, i'm up for an aggressive move
since he isn't, i'm up for an aggressive move
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I listened to a recent Simmons podcast with a conversation about New Orleans trading Cousins. They focused on him going to Washington, but I'm not sure I buy that as an option. I'm not sure the NO front office is looking to deal him at this point, even though they probably should be.
I'd put everyone except Booker on the table for Boogie. They probably wouldn't want Warren because of his next contract, but something like Bledsoe, Chriss/Bender/Jackson, and some combination of picks? That might be as good as it gets unless another team is willing to give up an all-star level player.
I'd put everyone except Booker on the table for Boogie. They probably wouldn't want Warren because of his next contract, but something like Bledsoe, Chriss/Bender/Jackson, and some combination of picks? That might be as good as it gets unless another team is willing to give up an all-star level player.
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Problem will be keeping him now that Bledsoe wants out. I think I pass on cousins.
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I like Jackson just fine, but the biggest reason I had Fox #1 was because I knew we needed to trade Bledsoe. It's easy to armchair GM, but I would've taken Fox and traded Bledsoe for another 1st round pick. Could've been in that draft or a future draft. The point would've been to just get a valuable asset for him and clear the way for the PG of the future.1tinsoldier wrote:it's actually risky on our part. I still think Jackson was a safer pick than Fox.
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Unless he doesn't commit to resigning this offseason, I think passing on Cousins is insane.Split T wrote:Problem will be keeping him now that Bledsoe wants out. I think I pass on cousins.
I have no way of knowing this, but I also think we could've had a better deal for Sacramento had they not refused to trade him within the division.
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Boogie and Bledsoe are best buddies. You don't replace a tumor with a cancer if you're concerned with chemistry. That would be a nightmare situation.Flagrant Fowl wrote:Unless he doesn't commit to resigning this offseason, I think passing on Cousins is insane.Split T wrote:Problem will be keeping him now that Bledsoe wants out. I think I pass on cousins.
I have no way of knowing this, but I also think we could've had a better deal for Sacramento had they not refused to trade him within the division.
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Cousins should be considered an MVP candidate so far. I'm not in the camp that thinks he's a "cancer", either. He has a temper, but he's not actively destroying his teams from within.AmareIsGod wrote:Boogie and Bledsoe are best buddies. You don't replace a tumor with a cancer if you're concerned with chemistry. That would be a nightmare situation.Flagrant Fowl wrote:Unless he doesn't commit to resigning this offseason, I think passing on Cousins is insane.Split T wrote:Problem will be keeping him now that Bledsoe wants out. I think I pass on cousins.
I have no way of knowing this, but I also think we could've had a better deal for Sacramento had they not refused to trade him within the division.
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DisagreeJCSunsfan wrote:Way too early. I still think JJ will end up better than Tatum.TheOriginalOriginal wrote:We should've let JJ meet with Boston so we could've gotten Tatum instead. Sigh..ShelC wrote:You guys are nuts. Kings wouldn't even entertain that deal for Fox. We had our shot; should've taken him. Not a knock on JJ, but we should've taken Fox and dumped Bledsoe.
But alas, I must root for the guy we have.
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Forgot about him tbh, he's looked good on the boards and from the field for sure. Solid class thus far.Ring_Wanted wrote:Lauri has to be in there.TheOriginalOriginal wrote:Why wouldn't Simmons be considered an actual rookie?
Anyway, I think the top 4-5 outside of Simmons have been Tatum, Kuzma, Mitchell, and Collins. Ball had that one amazing game against the Bledsoes, but has been pretty meh otherwise. Jackson has flashed as well. Feel bad for Fultz.
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http://www.nbcsports.com/washington/wiz ... oenix-suns
John Wall on Bledsoe:
John Wall on Bledsoe:
"I talk to him all the time," Wall said. "He's just sitting back and being a professional. He can't do nothing about it. He doesn't want to be there. He wants to go somewhere else. It's kind of all in the Suns' hands and where they want to trade him to and what they want to get back for him. He's still working out every day and being a dad at home."
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Good to know he's been a professional through all this.
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We should all strive to be as professional as Bledsoe, a true inspiration.Superbone wrote:Good to know he's been a professional through all this.
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I'm a big cousins fan. I just think we missed our opportunity. At the beginning of the year I was all for making a run at cousins at the trade deadline or free agency, but I don't think he'll commit to us with Bledsoe gone.Flagrant Fowl wrote:AmareIsGod wrote:Boogie and Bledsoe are best buddies. You don't replace a tumor with a cancer if you're concerned with chemistry. That would be a nightmare situation.Flagrant Fowl wrote:Unless he doesn't commit to resigning this offseason, I think passing on Cousins is insane.Split T wrote:Problem will be keeping him now that Bledsoe wants out. I think I pass on cousins.
I have no way of knowing this, but I also think we could've had a better deal for Sacramento had they not refused to trade him within the division.
Cousins should be considered an MVP candidate so far. I'm not in the camp that thinks he's a "cancer", either. He has a temper, but he's not actively destroying his teams from within.
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It really is hilarious.Superbone wrote:Good to know he's been a professional through all this.
I wish McD did not say a few things he did. But I am glad he has a spine. I am glad he did not give Bled and extension. I am glad he is not letting a player play who openly said he did not want to be here and was clearly dogging it in real games. I’m glad he did not panic and trade him for diddly.