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Split T wrote:Probbably a decent chance Kemba or Schroeder is our starting PG next year

No interest in Schroder. Kemba, depending on what Jordan demands. I don't love the fit with Booker, but if he could be had on the cheap, he'd be worth the trouble. Can't see him making the allstar in the West, though, which is something to ponder when trading for guards from the East with a high cache.

Split T wrote:

Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:Why would we want Kemba? He's basically just another Eric Bledsoe. Not a pass-first PG, just a guard who likes to hold the ball and shoot a lot and doesn't especially shoot much better than average. Meh.

He's not Bledsoe. He's a good shooter and takes very good care of the ball. Has one of the lowest turnover rates amongst PG's. He's more Kyrie than Bledsoe and we know you love Kyrie

Kemba is better than Bledsoe. But their statistical profiles are similar.

http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6479/kemba-walker
http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4238/eric-bledsoe

Walker: 22.1 PPG (.444 FG% / .384 3PT / .864 FT%), 5.6 APG, 2.2 TO/G, 3.1 RPG, 20.62 PER in 34.2 min/game
Bledsoe: 17.7 PPG (.476 FG% / .319 3PT / .786 FT%), 5.0 APG, 2.9 TO/G, 3.8 RPG, 19.79 PER in 31.5 min/game

Walker scores more, though he plays more minutes. He's a marginally better 3-point shooter. He turns it over less. I don't see a huge statistical difference.

Now look at Kemba against Kyrie:

Kemba 22.1 points, 5.6 assists, 2.2 turnovers and .431/.384/.864
Kyrie 24.4 points, 5.1 assistant, 2.3 turnovers and .491/.408/.889

Kyrie is more efficient but he also had more help. I think Kemba would be more efficient in Phoenix.

The two big differences between Kemba and Bledsoe is that Kemba doesn't turn the ball over and he's a much better shooter. Those are like the two biggest complaints against bled.

Superbone wrote:

https://twitter.com/esidery/status/996560543140888576

He is such a doofus.

The top 16 picks based on averaging the post-lottery mock drafts by CBS Sports, ESPN, NBC Sports, Sports Illustrated, The Sporting News, Tankathon, USA Today and Yahoo! (along with the player who was drafted most often at that position) -

1 PHO - Deandre Ayton (Ayton 7 of 8)
2 SAC - Luka Dončić (Dončić 7)
3 ATL - Marvin Bagley (Bagley 6)
4 MEM - Jaren Jackson (Jackson 5)
5 DAL - Mohammed Bamba (Bamba 6)
6 ORL - Michael Porter (Young 5)
7 CHI - Trae Young (Carter 5)
8 CLE - Wendell Carter (Young 3)
9 NYK - Mikal Bridges (Mikal Bridges 4)
10 PHI - Miles Bridges (Mikal Bridges 4)
11 CHA - Collin Sexton (Sexton 4)
12 LAC - Robert Williams (Gilgeous-Alexander 4)
13 LAC - Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (Williams 4)
14 DEN - Kevin Knox (Knox 3)
15 WAS - Lonnie Walker (Knox 2/Walker 2)
16 PHO - Zhaire Smith (Walker 3)

The Bobster wrote:The top 16 picks based on averaging the post-lottery mock drafts by CBS Sports, ESPN, NBC Sports, Sports Illustrated, The Sporting News, Tankathon, USA Today and Yahoo! (along with the player who was drafted most often at that position) -

1 PHO - Deandre Ayton (Ayton 7 of 8)
2 SAC - Luka Dončić (Dončić 7)
3 ATL - Marvin Bagley (Bagley 6)
4 MEM - Jaren Jackson (Jackson 5)
5 DAL - Mohammed Bamba (Bamba 6)
6 ORL - Michael Porter (Young 5)
7 CHI - Trae Young (Carter 5)
8 CLE - Wendell Carter (Young 3)
9 NYK - Mikal Bridges (Mikal Bridges 4)
10 PHI - Miles Bridges (Mikal Bridges 4)
11 CHA - Collin Sexton (Sexton 4)
12 LAC - Robert Williams (Gilgeous-Alexander 4)
13 LAC - Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (Williams 4)
14 DEN - Kevin Knox (Knox 3)
15 WAS - Lonnie Walker (Knox 2/Walker 2)
16 PHO - Zhaire Smith (Walker 3)

If Jontay Porter is still available at 16, you HAVE to take him.

O_Gardino wrote:

The Bobster wrote:The top 16 picks based on averaging the post-lottery mock drafts by CBS Sports, ESPN, NBC Sports, Sports Illustrated, The Sporting News, Tankathon, USA Today and Yahoo! (along with the player who was drafted most often at that position) -

1 PHO - Deandre Ayton (Ayton 7 of 8)
2 SAC - Luka Dončić (Dončić 7)
3 ATL - Marvin Bagley (Bagley 6)
4 MEM - Jaren Jackson (Jackson 5)
5 DAL - Mohammed Bamba (Bamba 6)
6 ORL - Michael Porter (Young 5)
7 CHI - Trae Young (Carter 5)
8 CLE - Wendell Carter (Young 3)
9 NYK - Mikal Bridges (Mikal Bridges 4)
10 PHI - Miles Bridges (Mikal Bridges 4)
11 CHA - Collin Sexton (Sexton 4)
12 LAC - Robert Williams (Gilgeous-Alexander 4)
13 LAC - Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (Williams 4)
14 DEN - Kevin Knox (Knox 3)
15 WAS - Lonnie Walker (Knox 2/Walker 2)
16 PHO - Zhaire Smith (Walker 3)

If Jontay Porter is still available at 16, you HAVE to take him.

I like Jontay a lot, but some also have Zhaire Smith as high as 6th in their rankings. He could be the steal of the draft.

O_Gardino wrote:

The Bobster wrote:The top 16 picks based on averaging the post-lottery mock drafts by CBS Sports, ESPN, NBC Sports, Sports Illustrated, The Sporting News, Tankathon, USA Today and Yahoo! (along with the player who was drafted most often at that position) -

1 PHO - Deandre Ayton (Ayton 7 of 8)
2 SAC - Luka Dončić (Dončić 7)
3 ATL - Marvin Bagley (Bagley 6)
4 MEM - Jaren Jackson (Jackson 5)
5 DAL - Mohammed Bamba (Bamba 6)
6 ORL - Michael Porter (Young 5)
7 CHI - Trae Young (Carter 5)
8 CLE - Wendell Carter (Young 3)
9 NYK - Mikal Bridges (Mikal Bridges 4)
10 PHI - Miles Bridges (Mikal Bridges 4)
11 CHA - Collin Sexton (Sexton 4)
12 LAC - Robert Williams (Gilgeous-Alexander 4)
13 LAC - Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (Williams 4)
14 DEN - Kevin Knox (Knox 3)
15 WAS - Lonnie Walker (Knox 2/Walker 2)
16 PHO - Zhaire Smith (Walker 3)

If Jontay Porter is still available at 16, you HAVE to take him.

I would say if Zhaire is still available at 16 you have to take him.

I like jontay, but I don't see him as this can't miss prospect. Here's a good high post center who can shoot and pass, but is he going to defend?

Zhaire is the best athlete in the draft, plays D and his jump shot is coming along very nicely!

The Bobster wrote:The top 16 picks based on averaging the post-lottery mock drafts by CBS Sports, ESPN, NBC Sports, Sports Illustrated, The Sporting News, Tankathon, USA Today and Yahoo! (along with the player who was drafted most often at that position) -

1 PHO - Deandre Ayton (Ayton 7 of 8)
2 SAC - Luka Dončić (Dončić 7)
3 ATL - Marvin Bagley (Bagley 6)
4 MEM - Jaren Jackson (Jackson 5)
5 DAL - Mohammed Bamba (Bamba 6)
6 ORL - Michael Porter (Young 5)
7 CHI - Trae Young (Carter 5)
8 CLE - Wendell Carter (Young 3)
9 NYK - Mikal Bridges (Mikal Bridges 4)
10 PHI - Miles Bridges (Mikal Bridges 4)
11 CHA - Collin Sexton (Sexton 4)
12 LAC - Robert Williams (Gilgeous-Alexander 4)
13 LAC - Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (Williams 4)
14 DEN - Kevin Knox (Knox 3)
15 WAS - Lonnie Walker (Knox 2/Walker 2)
16 PHO - Zhaire Smith (Walker 3)

Do people still think Kevin Knox is a lottery pick? Gross. Although I'd be happy if someone took him ahead of us and let a better prospect fall.

https://twitter.com/JonNyatawa/status/997211441475280899

Would love him at 16

Split T wrote:

https://twitter.com/JonNyatawa/status/997211441475280899

Would love him at 16

I admittedly don't have a great feel for him, but 16 feels to high right now. Lots of great prospects should be available at 16 though.

In2ition wrote:

O_Gardino wrote:

The Bobster wrote:The top 16 picks based on averaging the post-lottery mock drafts by CBS Sports, ESPN, NBC Sports, Sports Illustrated, The Sporting News, Tankathon, USA Today and Yahoo! (along with the player who was drafted most often at that position) -

1 PHO - Deandre Ayton (Ayton 7 of 8)
2 SAC - Luka Dončić (Dončić 7)
3 ATL - Marvin Bagley (Bagley 6)
4 MEM - Jaren Jackson (Jackson 5)
5 DAL - Mohammed Bamba (Bamba 6)
6 ORL - Michael Porter (Young 5)
7 CHI - Trae Young (Carter 5)
8 CLE - Wendell Carter (Young 3)
9 NYK - Mikal Bridges (Mikal Bridges 4)
10 PHI - Miles Bridges (Mikal Bridges 4)
11 CHA - Collin Sexton (Sexton 4)
12 LAC - Robert Williams (Gilgeous-Alexander 4)
13 LAC - Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (Williams 4)
14 DEN - Kevin Knox (Knox 3)
15 WAS - Lonnie Walker (Knox 2/Walker 2)
16 PHO - Zhaire Smith (Walker 3)

If Jontay Porter is still available at 16, you HAVE to take him.

I like Jontay a lot, but some also have Zhaire Smith as high as 6th in their rankings. He could be the steal of the draft.

You are correct sir. Zach LaVine of this draft. His defense is stellar. He is just a fantastic asset, especially off the bench when an opponent is getting hot. He is like the guy in the Bourne movies who gets the text. "Bring in the asset.'

Split T wrote:

The Bobster wrote:The top 16 picks based on averaging the post-lottery mock drafts by CBS Sports, ESPN, NBC Sports, Sports Illustrated, The Sporting News, Tankathon, USA Today and Yahoo! (along with the player who was drafted most often at that position) -

1 PHO - Deandre Ayton (Ayton 7 of 8)
2 SAC - Luka Dončić (Dončić 7)
3 ATL - Marvin Bagley (Bagley 6)
4 MEM - Jaren Jackson (Jackson 5)
5 DAL - Mohammed Bamba (Bamba 6)
6 ORL - Michael Porter (Young 5)
7 CHI - Trae Young (Carter 5)
8 CLE - Wendell Carter (Young 3)
9 NYK - Mikal Bridges (Mikal Bridges 4)
10 PHI - Miles Bridges (Mikal Bridges 4)
11 CHA - Collin Sexton (Sexton 4)
12 LAC - Robert Williams (Gilgeous-Alexander 4)
13 LAC - Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (Williams 4)
14 DEN - Kevin Knox (Knox 3)
15 WAS - Lonnie Walker (Knox 2/Walker 2)
16 PHO - Zhaire Smith (Walker 3)

Do people still think Kevin Knox is a lottery pick? Gross. Although I'd be happy if someone took him ahead of us and let a better prospect fall.

Have you seen the tankathon evaluation of Kevin Knox? http://www.tankathon.com/players/kevin-knox

In2ition wrote:

O_Gardino wrote:

The Bobster wrote:The top 16 picks based on averaging the post-lottery mock drafts by CBS Sports, ESPN, NBC Sports, Sports Illustrated, The Sporting News, Tankathon, USA Today and Yahoo! (along with the player who was drafted most often at that position) -

1 PHO - Deandre Ayton (Ayton 7 of 8)
2 SAC - Luka Dončić (Dončić 7)
3 ATL - Marvin Bagley (Bagley 6)
4 MEM - Jaren Jackson (Jackson 5)
5 DAL - Mohammed Bamba (Bamba 6)
6 ORL - Michael Porter (Young 5)
7 CHI - Trae Young (Carter 5)
8 CLE - Wendell Carter (Young 3)
9 NYK - Mikal Bridges (Mikal Bridges 4)
10 PHI - Miles Bridges (Mikal Bridges 4)
11 CHA - Collin Sexton (Sexton 4)
12 LAC - Robert Williams (Gilgeous-Alexander 4)
13 LAC - Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (Williams 4)
14 DEN - Kevin Knox (Knox 3)
15 WAS - Lonnie Walker (Knox 2/Walker 2)
16 PHO - Zhaire Smith (Walker 3)

If Jontay Porter is still available at 16, you HAVE to take him.

I like Jontay a lot, but some also have Zhaire Smith as high as 6th in their rankings. He could be the steal of the draft.

Where would he play for us? I love dunks as much as the next guy, but I don't see how Smith get minutes on the Suns.

O_Gardino wrote:

In2ition wrote:

O_Gardino wrote:

The Bobster wrote:The top 16 picks based on averaging the post-lottery mock drafts by CBS Sports, ESPN, NBC Sports, Sports Illustrated, The Sporting News, Tankathon, USA Today and Yahoo! (along with the player who was drafted most often at that position) -

1 PHO - Deandre Ayton (Ayton 7 of 8)
2 SAC - Luka Dončić (Dončić 7)
3 ATL - Marvin Bagley (Bagley 6)
4 MEM - Jaren Jackson (Jackson 5)
5 DAL - Mohammed Bamba (Bamba 6)
6 ORL - Michael Porter (Young 5)
7 CHI - Trae Young (Carter 5)
8 CLE - Wendell Carter (Young 3)
9 NYK - Mikal Bridges (Mikal Bridges 4)
10 PHI - Miles Bridges (Mikal Bridges 4)
11 CHA - Collin Sexton (Sexton 4)
12 LAC - Robert Williams (Gilgeous-Alexander 4)
13 LAC - Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (Williams 4)
14 DEN - Kevin Knox (Knox 3)
15 WAS - Lonnie Walker (Knox 2/Walker 2)
16 PHO - Zhaire Smith (Walker 3)

If Jontay Porter is still available at 16, you HAVE to take him.

I like Jontay a lot, but some also have Zhaire Smith as high as 6th in their rankings. He could be the steal of the draft.

Where would he play for us? I love dunks as much as the next guy, but I don't see how Smith get minutes on the Suns.

We gave minutes to Danuel house, Davon Reed, Shaq Harrison, etc. The Suns have plenty of minutes up for grabs.

In2ition wrote:

Split T wrote:

https://twitter.com/JonNyatawa/status/997211441475280899

Would love him at 16

I admittedly don't have a great feel for him, but 16 feels to high right now. Lots of great prospects should be available at 16 though.

Your not getting him at 31. Look into him a bit. I think he's underrated. Shoots over 40% from 3, has size and quickness to defend 1-3 and he defends at a really high level. Not a super advanced off the dribble game, but it's not non existent.

https://twitter.com/KellanOlson/status/997244987959005184

Split T wrote:

O_Gardino wrote:

In2ition wrote:

O_Gardino wrote:

The Bobster wrote:The top 16 picks based on averaging the post-lottery mock drafts by CBS Sports, ESPN, NBC Sports, Sports Illustrated, The Sporting News, Tankathon, USA Today and Yahoo! (along with the player who was drafted most often at that position) -

1 PHO - Deandre Ayton (Ayton 7 of 8)
2 SAC - Luka Dončić (Dončić 7)
3 ATL - Marvin Bagley (Bagley 6)
4 MEM - Jaren Jackson (Jackson 5)
5 DAL - Mohammed Bamba (Bamba 6)
6 ORL - Michael Porter (Young 5)
7 CHI - Trae Young (Carter 5)
8 CLE - Wendell Carter (Young 3)
9 NYK - Mikal Bridges (Mikal Bridges 4)
10 PHI - Miles Bridges (Mikal Bridges 4)
11 CHA - Collin Sexton (Sexton 4)
12 LAC - Robert Williams (Gilgeous-Alexander 4)
13 LAC - Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (Williams 4)
14 DEN - Kevin Knox (Knox 3)
15 WAS - Lonnie Walker (Knox 2/Walker 2)
16 PHO - Zhaire Smith (Walker 3)

If Jontay Porter is still available at 16, you HAVE to take him.

I like Jontay a lot, but some also have Zhaire Smith as high as 6th in their rankings. He could be the steal of the draft.

Where would he play for us? I love dunks as much as the next guy, but I don't see how Smith get minutes on the Suns.

We gave minutes to Danuel house, Davon Reed, Shaq Harrison, etc. The Suns have plenty of minutes up for grabs.

I'm not planning to tank again.

That's fine, but until we actually add more players, there are minutes for Zhaire. I don't think Jontay is ready to play on a contending team either. Both guys will need to be worked in with smaller roles. Honestly could probably benefit from a real minor league system to play on for a year.

I like Zhaire Smith at 16, if he drops that far. He looks like a more consistent, smarter Gerald Green. He’ll be deadly if he develops his 3-point shot.

Split T wrote:That's fine, but until we actually add more players, there are minutes for Zhaire. I don't think Jontay is ready to play on a contending team either. Both guys will need to be worked in with smaller roles. Honestly could probably benefit from a real minor league system to play on for a year.

Long past time for a real minor league system to give players a viable alternative to the NCAA. Darius Bazley seems to think the G League already is that, but his decision AFAIK is unique. The G League needs better pay and better players; the former will help with the latter.