Re: Suns Media Day and Training Camp 2021
Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2021 4:21 pm
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Re: Suns Media Day and Training Camp 2021
Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2021 4:31 pm
I don't want Ayton to work on his ballhandling if he's going to result in between the leg crossovers into step-back fadeaways.
Re: Suns Media Day and Training Camp 2021
Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2021 4:36 pm
I’m just curious, do you have anything upbeat or nice to say anymore or is everything the team does these days just wrong in your eyes. Or is it just Ayton?Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 4:31 pmI don't want Ayton to work on his ballhandling if he's going to result in between the leg crossovers into step-back fadeaways.
How about you give the guy a break and encouragement for working in his game?
Re: Suns Media Day and Training Camp 2021
Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2021 4:39 pm
Yep, more fuel for the fire. In every one of those videos with both McGee and Ayton, McGee is going to the hoop and Ayton is stepping back. smh.Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 4:31 pmI don't want Ayton to work on his ballhandling if he's going to result in between the leg crossovers into step-back fadeaways.
Re: Suns Media Day and Training Camp 2021
Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2021 4:41 pm
Hey, I love that he's working on his game. I just want to see him work on his face up game and taking the ball to the hoop with contact. He needs to work on all facets. Not just step backs. Maybe we've just been unlucky and all the videos just happen to be of him working on his step back game. Maybe the media just doesn't want to show him going to the basket. I'm sure that's it.SunsRIt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 4:36 pmI’m just curious, do you have anything upbeat or nice to say anymore or is everything the team does these days just wrong in your eyes. Or is it just Ayton?Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 4:31 pmI don't want Ayton to work on his ballhandling if he's going to result in between the leg crossovers into step-back fadeaways.
How about you give the guy a break and encouragement for working in his game?
One other thing. We're not the ones he looks to for encouragement. That's his coaches and fellow players. We as fans just want the best for our team AND the players. In spite of how well Ayton has played and grown, we know how much more room he has for improvement and we all want to see that. That makes everybody happy. Including the fans.
Re: Suns Media Day and Training Camp 2021
Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2021 4:56 pm
Oh I see, we saw one player take one touch on one drill and conclude that he hasn’t worked on his post up game. Did you ever think it wasn’t a post-up drill? Maybe it was a jump-shooting drill? Have you seen the post-up drill first hand?Superbone wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 4:41 pmHey, I love that he's working on his game. I just want to see him work on his face up game and taking the ball to the hoop with contact. He needs to work on all facets. Not just step backs. Maybe we've just been unlucky and all the videos just happen to be of him working on his step back game. Maybe the media just doesn't want to show him going to the basket. I'm sure that's it.SunsRIt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 4:36 pmI’m just curious, do you have anything upbeat or nice to say anymore or is everything the team does these days just wrong in your eyes. Or is it just Ayton?Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 4:31 pmI don't want Ayton to work on his ballhandling if he's going to result in between the leg crossovers into step-back fadeaways.
How about you give the guy a break and encouragement for working in his game?
One other thing. We're not the ones he looks to for encouragement. That's his coaches and fellow players. We as fans just want the best for our team AND the players. In spite of how well Ayton has played and grown, we know how much more room he has for improvement and we all want to see that. That makes everybody happy. Including the fans.
Re: Suns Media Day and Training Camp 2021
Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2021 5:07 pm
Apparently you haven't watched the videos. In both that I referenced, back to back, in the same drill, McGee went to the hoop and Ayton did a step back jumper.SunsRIt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 4:56 pmOh I see, we saw one player take one touch on one drill and conclude that he hasn’t worked on his post up game. Did you ever think it wasn’t a post-up drill? Maybe it was a jump-shooting drill? Have you seen the post-up drill first hand?Superbone wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 4:41 pmHey, I love that he's working on his game. I just want to see him work on his face up game and taking the ball to the hoop with contact. He needs to work on all facets. Not just step backs. Maybe we've just been unlucky and all the videos just happen to be of him working on his step back game. Maybe the media just doesn't want to show him going to the basket. I'm sure that's it.SunsRIt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 4:36 pmI’m just curious, do you have anything upbeat or nice to say anymore or is everything the team does these days just wrong in your eyes. Or is it just Ayton?Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 4:31 pmI don't want Ayton to work on his ballhandling if he's going to result in between the leg crossovers into step-back fadeaways.
How about you give the guy a break and encouragement for working in his game?
One other thing. We're not the ones he looks to for encouragement. That's his coaches and fellow players. We as fans just want the best for our team AND the players. In spite of how well Ayton has played and grown, we know how much more room he has for improvement and we all want to see that. That makes everybody happy. Including the fans.
Re: Suns Media Day and Training Camp 2021
Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2021 5:13 pm
He must just be an awful player then. Why do we even keep him around?Superbone wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 5:07 pmApparently you haven't watched the videos. In both that I referenced, back to back, in the same drill, McGee went to the hoop and Ayton did a step back jumper.SunsRIt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 4:56 pmOh I see, we saw one player take one touch on one drill and conclude that he hasn’t worked on his post up game. Did you ever think it wasn’t a post-up drill? Maybe it was a jump-shooting drill? Have you seen the post-up drill first hand?Superbone wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 4:41 pmHey, I love that he's working on his game. I just want to see him work on his face up game and taking the ball to the hoop with contact. He needs to work on all facets. Not just step backs. Maybe we've just been unlucky and all the videos just happen to be of him working on his step back game. Maybe the media just doesn't want to show him going to the basket. I'm sure that's it.SunsRIt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 4:36 pmI’m just curious, do you have anything upbeat or nice to say anymore or is everything the team does these days just wrong in your eyes. Or is it just Ayton?Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 4:31 pmI don't want Ayton to work on his ballhandling if he's going to result in between the leg crossovers into step-back fadeaways.
How about you give the guy a break and encouragement for working in his game?
One other thing. We're not the ones he looks to for encouragement. That's his coaches and fellow players. We as fans just want the best for our team AND the players. In spite of how well Ayton has played and grown, we know how much more room he has for improvement and we all want to see that. That makes everybody happy. Including the fans.
Damn this shit gets old. The incessant complaining is becoming too much. You would think they won 20 games again last year.
Re: Suns Media Day and Training Camp 2021
Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2021 5:25 pm
OK...SunsRIt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 5:13 pmHe must just be an awful player then. Why do we even keep him around?Superbone wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 5:07 pmApparently you haven't watched the videos. In both that I referenced, back to back, in the same drill, McGee went to the hoop and Ayton did a step back jumper.SunsRIt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 4:56 pmOh I see, we saw one player take one touch on one drill and conclude that he hasn’t worked on his post up game. Did you ever think it wasn’t a post-up drill? Maybe it was a jump-shooting drill? Have you seen the post-up drill first hand?Superbone wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 4:41 pmHey, I love that he's working on his game. I just want to see him work on his face up game and taking the ball to the hoop with contact. He needs to work on all facets. Not just step backs. Maybe we've just been unlucky and all the videos just happen to be of him working on his step back game. Maybe the media just doesn't want to show him going to the basket. I'm sure that's it.
One other thing. We're not the ones he looks to for encouragement. That's his coaches and fellow players. We as fans just want the best for our team AND the players. In spite of how well Ayton has played and grown, we know how much more room he has for improvement and we all want to see that. That makes everybody happy. Including the fans.
Damn this shit gets old. The incessant complaining is becoming too much. You would think they won 20 games again last year.
All praise and no talk about areas to improve. Got it.
Re: Suns Media Day and Training Camp 2021
Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2021 5:27 pm
We talking about practice. Not a game, practice.Superbone wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 5:25 pmOK...SunsRIt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 5:13 pmHe must just be an awful player then. Why do we even keep him around?Superbone wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 5:07 pmApparently you haven't watched the videos. In both that I referenced, back to back, in the same drill, McGee went to the hoop and Ayton did a step back jumper.SunsRIt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 4:56 pmOh I see, we saw one player take one touch on one drill and conclude that he hasn’t worked on his post up game. Did you ever think it wasn’t a post-up drill? Maybe it was a jump-shooting drill? Have you seen the post-up drill first hand?Superbone wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 4:41 pm
Hey, I love that he's working on his game. I just want to see him work on his face up game and taking the ball to the hoop with contact. He needs to work on all facets. Not just step backs. Maybe we've just been unlucky and all the videos just happen to be of him working on his step back game. Maybe the media just doesn't want to show him going to the basket. I'm sure that's it.
One other thing. We're not the ones he looks to for encouragement. That's his coaches and fellow players. We as fans just want the best for our team AND the players. In spite of how well Ayton has played and grown, we know how much more room he has for improvement and we all want to see that. That makes everybody happy. Including the fans.
Damn this shit gets old. The incessant complaining is becoming too much. You would think they won 20 games again last year.
All praise and no talk about areas to improve. Got it.
Why don’t we see what happens when they actually start playing games to bitch.
Re: Suns Media Day and Training Camp 2021
Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2021 5:31 pm
SunsRIt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 5:27 pmWe talking about practice. Not a game, practice.Superbone wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 5:25 pmOK...SunsRIt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 5:13 pmHe must just be an awful player then. Why do we even keep him around?
Damn this shit gets old. The incessant complaining is becoming too much. You would think they won 20 games again last year.
All praise and no talk about areas to improve. Got it.
Why don’t we see what happens when they actually start playing games to bitch.
And you know you're talking to a guy everybody here considers an optimist. Dude, I want the best for our team just like everybody else here. I'm going to continue to praise AND point areas of improvement as I see them. It's kind of funny as I used to get the other side of it from INF.
Re: Suns Media Day and Training Camp 2021
Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2021 5:34 pm
I think the Suns will win more games than they lose. Is that upbeat enough for you?SunsRIt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 4:36 pmI’m just curious, do you have anything upbeat or nice to say anymore or is everything the team does these days just wrong in your eyes. Or is it just Ayton?Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 4:31 pmI don't want Ayton to work on his ballhandling if he's going to result in between the leg crossovers into step-back fadeaways.
How about you give the guy a break and encouragement for working in his game?
One of my favorite parts of our community here is that we can be objective about the players and team in an effort to have a fair discussion about them. There are plenty of places on the Internet to have a circle jerk about the team if that's what you're looking for.
Re: Suns Media Day and Training Camp 2021
Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2021 5:38 pm
Objective is one thing. You seem to always be down in Ayton.Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 5:34 pmI think the Suns will win more games than they lose. Is that upbeat enough for you?SunsRIt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 4:36 pmI’m just curious, do you have anything upbeat or nice to say anymore or is everything the team does these days just wrong in your eyes. Or is it just Ayton?Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 4:31 pmI don't want Ayton to work on his ballhandling if he's going to result in between the leg crossovers into step-back fadeaways.
How about you give the guy a break and encouragement for working in his game?
One of my favorite parts of our community here is that we can be objective about the players and team in an effort to have a fair discussion about them. There are plenty of places on the Internet to have a circle jerk about the team if that's what you're looking for.
Re: Suns Media Day and Training Camp 2021
Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2021 5:46 pm
In the playoffs the Suns were hurting to get to the line. Book is pretty much the only guy who get there. With all the bullcrap basketball moves to draw fouls, being a center who draws contact makes for an easy way to get to the line. Last year DA averaged 2.5 free throws attempts per game, 2.4 in the playoffs. Here’s a breakdown of his peers who have the ball in their hands more than him but none the less are his peers.
C Wood- 4.8
Gobert, Sabonis - 5.3
Jokic, Bam - 5.5
Embiid - 10.7
Giannis 9.5
Ayton, if he learns to finish and draw contact, get that up to at least 4-5 per game while also getting a couple more ppg. This would make him a 20ppg without really having to increase his fga much.
C Wood- 4.8
Gobert, Sabonis - 5.3
Jokic, Bam - 5.5
Embiid - 10.7
Giannis 9.5
Ayton, if he learns to finish and draw contact, get that up to at least 4-5 per game while also getting a couple more ppg. This would make him a 20ppg without really having to increase his fga much.
Re: Suns Media Day and Training Camp 2021
Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2021 6:18 pm
Look at Drew. Bringing the facts. Yeah, would love to see some growth from Ayton here.Drewsprocket wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 5:46 pmIn the playoffs the Suns were hurting to get to the line. Book is pretty much the only guy who get there. With all the bullcrap basketball moves to draw fouls, being a center who draws contact makes for an easy way to get to the line. Last year DA averaged 2.5 free throws attempts per game, 2.4 in the playoffs. Here’s a breakdown of his peers who have the ball in their hands more than him but none the less are his peers.
C Wood- 4.8
Gobert, Sabonis - 5.3
Jokic, Bam - 5.5
Embiid - 10.7
Giannis 9.5
Ayton, if he learns to finish and draw contact, get that up to at least 4-5 per game while also getting a couple more ppg. This would make him a 20ppg without really having to increase his fga much.
Re: Suns Media Day and Training Camp 2021
Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2021 6:39 pm
I don't think I've been "down" on Ayton since about last April or so. I praised him extensively in the playoffs, even when he was getting outplayed by Giannis.SunsRIt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 5:38 pmObjective is one thing. You seem to always be down in Ayton.Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 5:34 pmI think the Suns will win more games than they lose. Is that upbeat enough for you?SunsRIt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 4:36 pmI’m just curious, do you have anything upbeat or nice to say anymore or is everything the team does these days just wrong in your eyes. Or is it just Ayton?Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 4:31 pmI don't want Ayton to work on his ballhandling if he's going to result in between the leg crossovers into step-back fadeaways.
How about you give the guy a break and encouragement for working in his game?
One of my favorite parts of our community here is that we can be objective about the players and team in an effort to have a fair discussion about them. There are plenty of places on the Internet to have a circle jerk about the team if that's what you're looking for.
He's likely days away from signing a max contract extension, so I expect him to continue improving in ways that help the team. Some of his recent statements and these clips of his "improved ballhandling" don't match my expectations of his development.
Re: Suns Media Day and Training Camp 2021
Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2021 7:34 pm
jesús cristo we need the season to start. factions are already forming between "I wish this guy would get better at his strengths" and "he's AMAZING as is!" and we are on day 3 of training camp.
Re: Suns Media Day and Training Camp 2021
Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2021 7:35 pm
Very balanced takeFlagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 6:39 pmI don't think I've been "down" on Ayton since about last April or so. I praised him extensively in the playoffs, even when he was getting outplayed by Giannis.SunsRIt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 5:38 pmObjective is one thing. You seem to always be down in Ayton.Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 5:34 pmI think the Suns will win more games than they lose. Is that upbeat enough for you?SunsRIt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 4:36 pmI’m just curious, do you have anything upbeat or nice to say anymore or is everything the team does these days just wrong in your eyes. Or is it just Ayton?Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 4:31 pmI don't want Ayton to work on his ballhandling if he's going to result in between the leg crossovers into step-back fadeaways.
How about you give the guy a break and encouragement for working in his game?
One of my favorite parts of our community here is that we can be objective about the players and team in an effort to have a fair discussion about them. There are plenty of places on the Internet to have a circle jerk about the team if that's what you're looking for.
He's likely days away from signing a max contract extension, so I expect him to continue improving in ways that help the team. Some of his recent statements and these clips of his "improved ballhandling" don't match my expectations of his development.
Re: Suns Media Day and Training Camp 2021
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:21 am
How I feel as well. Let's see him in games first. Not enough data. I personally feel that he will have ten game stretches where he will be disappointing...and then average 20-20 with 5 FTAs per game for the next 30 games. Then let the pedal off the metal again.
Re: Suns Media Day and Training Camp 2021
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:25 am
Based on his first 3 seasons, my expectation is similar, but it would so-so for 20 games, amazing for 5, rinse/repeat. But if that means he becomes a dominant force--like he was through the middle part of the playoffs--for the entire playoffs, I'm good.virtual9mm wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:21 amHow I feel as well. Let's see him in games first. Not enough data. I personally feel that he will have ten game stretches where he will be disappointing...and then average 20-20 with 5 FTAs per game for the next 30 games. Then let the pedal off the metal again.