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So the Clippers should be 38-11 right now and in 1st place, but then all the other teams would need to be adjusted too.

It’s based on lost win shares…DA rates very highly on win shares and he’s probably the big reason. Just checked, based on his WS/48 and 18 games missed at 30 minutes a game, we’ve lost 2.5 wins due to Ayton being out.

Though checking Frank who has a WS/48 of .243 and has missed 37 games, it says we’ve lost 3.6 wins due to him being out…so that stat may be a bit misleading.

In2ition wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 26, 2022 10:03 am

So the Clippers should be 38-11 right now and in 1st place, but then all the other teams would need to be adjusted too.

Even without adjustment we’d be ahead of them

Split T wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 26, 2022 10:07 am

In2ition wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 26, 2022 10:03 am

So the Clippers should be 38-11 right now and in 1st place, but then all the other teams would need to be adjusted too.

Even without adjustment we’d be ahead of them

Good point, they would be behind by .5 games, due to more losses.

I don't think they are literally saying we'd have won 9 more games, it's more like 9 "win shares." Whatever that means.

I know, but it's fun to think it's directly related to number of wins.

Not directly Suns related, but an interesting report on finding the new head coach of the Phoenix Mercury, with some interesting tidbits on the roles of James Jones and Robert Sarver:

https://www.espn.com/wnba/story/_/id/33 ... sa-nygaard

The Bobster wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 26, 2022 4:27 am

pickle wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 26, 2022 3:46 am

Maybe. It’s a bit hazy for me. Most of the last decade is a bit hazy for me. I’m not shitting on JJ per se, more so that this discussion is bringing back a lot of suppressed trauma.

Sure sounds like you're pinning some shit that happened before he got here on him.

To me he made one glaring mistake - he picked a player that they didn't use, and didn't pick up the option on instead of a player they could have used.

The other deals (even dumping Warren) can be rationalized.

That comment wasn’t directed at JJ, more so that we just came out of an extended Middle Ages and are enjoying a rather spectacular renaissance right now in terms of Suns basketball. On the whole I think JJ is far more positive than negative, nobody is perfect but the results speak for themselves. I might be one of the few people I know that liked the Cam Johnson draft too.

I am one of the optimists on here with player outlooks and haven't said much about Shamet so far but it was clear tonight that Monty didn't think he could leave him in long.
For a guy who seems to gets in his own head this development not looking to good

Ish had some good minutes tonight. Glad he has settled into his role.

Knocked down both corner 3s he took…. Some PJ Tucker potential if he can hit that consistently

His best attribute is his offensive rebounding imo.

Aron Baynes update -

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/331 ... nba-center

The Bobster wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 27, 2022 6:38 am

Aron Baynes update -

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/331 ... nba-center

holy shit. i completely missed this.

The Bobster wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 27, 2022 6:38 am

Aron Baynes update -

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/331 ... nba-center

What a terrifying and crazy read. So glad it's worked out. It never answered how he got the two puncture marks other than an assumption it was from hanging hooks.

AmareIsGod wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:12 am

The Bobster wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 27, 2022 6:38 am

Aron Baynes update -

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/331 ... nba-center

What a terrifying and crazy read. So glad it's worked out. It never answered how he got the two puncture marks other than an assumption it was from hanging hooks.

It seems like nobody knows, including him. And if they were from the hooks, you would think there would be blood evidence.

I think figuring the real total Win Shares lost due to injury needs to take into account the league average (theoretically .100 WS/48 min) when calculating how much a team loses when a player is out. You don't really lose all of Ayton's .219 WS/48 when he's out - if you're assuming there's a league average player to replace him. So really it's .119 WS/48 for Ayton unless you want to get really technical and figure out who's taking his minutes and use their WS/48 minutes for the calculation. In other words, Ayton missing time last year probably cost them more WS/48 than this year because his backups are much better this year (McGee .224, Biyombo .275, Smith .161). If Paul (.214) or Booker (.137) were the ones missing so much time it would ding the team a lot more because their time would go to Payne (.057), Shamet (.089) and Payton (.006).

Indy wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:52 am

The Bobster wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 27, 2022 6:38 am

Aron Baynes update -

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/331 ... nba-center

holy shit. i completely missed this.

It was the first I'd read of it too - I think the whole thing went under the radar for various reasons.