Re: NBA Draft 2020
Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:43 pm
I’m high on all 3. I’d throw Killian Hayes in there too, but I doubt he drops. Tyrell Terry is my dark horse. He’s gone from 6’1 155 to 6’3 175. He’s an elite shooter who’s got deep range off the dribble. I’m intrigued.
I change my mind on these guys weekly. Toppin looks like the perfect fit when you watch him score, but those defensive sequences are painful. Haliburton is one of the best 2-way players in the draft, but his awkward elbows and knees make me wonder if he will be smooth enough to play on the ball in the NBA. etc.Split T wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 9:00 amHere’s my suns draft board:
1. Obi Toppin
2. Tyrese Haliburton
3. LaMelo Ball
4. Killian Hayes
5. Aaron Nesmith
6. Tyrell Terry
7. Devin Vassell
8. RJ Hampton
9. Tyrese Maxey
10. Alexsej Pokusevski
I’ll probably change it before the draft, but where I’m at right now.
Toppin does have defensive concerns, but I feel like defense doesn’t always translate the way you I think it will. Bad college defenders turn into good nba defenders from time to time. Good college defenders turn into bad nba defenders as well. I’m sure there are people who can evaluate those skills better than me, but I’d draft Toppin for his pretty elite and well rounded offensive game, then hope to teach him some defensive skills.O_Gardino wrote: ↑Tue Sep 29, 2020 7:36 amI change my mind on these guys weekly. Toppin looks like the perfect fit when you watch him score, but those defensive sequences are painful. Haliburton is one of the best 2-way players in the draft, but his awkward elbows and knees make me wonder if he will be smooth enough to play on the ball in the NBA. etc.Split T wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 9:00 amHere’s my suns draft board:
1. Obi Toppin
2. Tyrese Haliburton
3. LaMelo Ball
4. Killian Hayes
5. Aaron Nesmith
6. Tyrell Terry
7. Devin Vassell
8. RJ Hampton
9. Tyrese Maxey
10. Alexsej Pokusevski
I’ll probably change it before the draft, but where I’m at right now.
I like all of these guys (some more than others), but I don't love any of them. I'll be interested to see what comes out of the pre-draft interviews and workouts.
it may not be your motivation, but there is no way that after the year they just had, the Suns are willing to be big spenders and pay luxury taxes. It would be one thing if they were the Nuggets and just came within a few games of making it to the Finals. But we didn't even make the playoffs, and if the season would have finished normally in April, we wouldn't even have been in the playoff conversation.In2ition wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 5:13 pmI guess I'm trying to build the best team possible within the cap rules as my primary plan, not staying under the cap as my primary plan. Maybe we just have different goals.Indy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 5:05 pmIt depends if I have something worked out already to better control the salary cap. If Kenard was on a rookie deal with 2-3 years left, I would totally do it.
That's how I feel, too. This week. Even if he doesn't work out for the Suns, I think his scoring will make him a valuable asset.Split T wrote: ↑Tue Sep 29, 2020 7:54 amToppin does have defensive concerns, but I feel like defense doesn’t always translate the way you I think it will. Bad college defenders turn into good nba defenders from time to time. Good college defenders turn into bad nba defenders as well. I’m sure there are people who can evaluate those skills better than me, but I’d draft Toppin for his pretty elite and well rounded offensive game, then hope to teach him some defensive skills.O_Gardino wrote: ↑Tue Sep 29, 2020 7:36 amI change my mind on these guys weekly. Toppin looks like the perfect fit when you watch him score, but those defensive sequences are painful. Haliburton is one of the best 2-way players in the draft, but his awkward elbows and knees make me wonder if he will be smooth enough to play on the ball in the NBA. etc.Split T wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 9:00 amHere’s my suns draft board:
1. Obi Toppin
2. Tyrese Haliburton
3. LaMelo Ball
4. Killian Hayes
5. Aaron Nesmith
6. Tyrell Terry
7. Devin Vassell
8. RJ Hampton
9. Tyrese Maxey
10. Alexsej Pokusevski
I’ll probably change it before the draft, but where I’m at right now.
I like all of these guys (some more than others), but I don't love any of them. I'll be interested to see what comes out of the pre-draft interviews and workouts.
I don't think it's even possible for them to pay the luxury tax next yr. They can go over the cap, but aren't going to come close to the luxury tax unless they max out Baynes, Saric, and Carter after going to the cap with a FA signing, which we know isn't going to happen.Indy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 29, 2020 7:54 amit may not be your motivation, but there is no way that after the year they just had, the Suns are willing to be big spenders and pay luxury taxes. It would be one thing if they were the Nuggets and just came within a few games of making it to the Finals. But we didn't even make the playoffs, and if the season would have finished normally in April, we wouldn't even have been in the playoff conversation.In2ition wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 5:13 pmI guess I'm trying to build the best team possible within the cap rules as my primary plan, not staying under the cap as my primary plan. Maybe we just have different goals.Indy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 5:05 pmIt depends if I have something worked out already to better control the salary cap. If Kenard was on a rookie deal with 2-3 years left, I would totally do it.
Yeah, I liked Terry, but thought he was a little too small and weak. I would add that he's also a pretty good passer with good vision. Now, he's more explosive too? He jumps up there as maybe my favorite at 10 now. It's still early though.Split T wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 9:44 pmI’m high on all 3. I’d throw Killian Hayes in there too, but I doubt he drops. Tyrell Terry is my dark horse. He’s gone from 6’1 155 to 6’3 175. He’s an elite shooter who’s got deep range off the dribble. I’m intrigued.
Nesmith, although he provides size and shooting, is a terrible creator and passer. Like worse than Oubre, imo. He's pretty far down the list for me. He doesn't move the ball without turning it over.Split T wrote: ↑Tue Sep 29, 2020 10:59 amYep, if we can snag an on ball scoring threat for the bench who can double as our long term plan at pg, sign me up. I haven’t bumped him ahead of Haliburton, Hayes, or Nesmith yet, but 2 of those guys probably won’t be there, and he’s neck and neck with Nesmith for me at 10.
I'm not a huge fan either.In2ition wrote: ↑Tue Sep 29, 2020 1:04 pmNesmith, although he provides size and shooting, is a terrible creator and passer. Like worse than Oubre, imo. He's pretty far down the list for me. He doesn't move the ball without turning it over.Split T wrote: ↑Tue Sep 29, 2020 10:59 amYep, if we can snag an on ball scoring threat for the bench who can double as our long term plan at pg, sign me up. I haven’t bumped him ahead of Haliburton, Hayes, or Nesmith yet, but 2 of those guys probably won’t be there, and he’s neck and neck with Nesmith for me at 10.
Ya I get that, we’d still need to prioritize getting a ball handler in free agency if we draft Nesmith, but he might be the best shooter in the draft. Not many guys are 6’6 with 7’0 wingspans and can shoot like him. He could be a Duncan Robinson that plays D, or Klay Thompson. Klay was never much of a creator or passer. The question is just whether Nesmith is as special a shooter as those guys.In2ition wrote: ↑Tue Sep 29, 2020 1:04 pmNesmith, although he provides size and shooting, is a terrible creator and passer. Like worse than Oubre, imo. He's pretty far down the list for me. He doesn't move the ball without turning it over.Split T wrote: ↑Tue Sep 29, 2020 10:59 amYep, if we can snag an on ball scoring threat for the bench who can double as our long term plan at pg, sign me up. I haven’t bumped him ahead of Haliburton, Hayes, or Nesmith yet, but 2 of those guys probably won’t be there, and he’s neck and neck with Nesmith for me at 10.
Toppin is probably at the top of my draft board. I really like him. But I just can't bring myself to be enthusiastic about giving up a lot to move up in this draft. I just don't think the value is there. I would entertain moving Rubio + #10 to the Warriors for #2, but nothing more than that.Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:26 pmYou sure you don't want to trade up for Toppin? Hali I know it's a no.
You both nailed it. Rankin is way off in calling Jalen Smith a 4. He could spend some time there, but he doesn't have the lateral quickness to play it full time. He really is better suited for the 5. I like him though.
He doesn't move the ball without turning it over? I think that is a conclusion based on a false correlation. He averaged 1.7 turnovers a game. That is outstanding for someone who averages 20+ ppg. He has poor assists numbers, but that doesn't mean he can't move the ball without turning it over. It just means he isn't skilled at finding guys in scoring position.In2ition wrote: ↑Tue Sep 29, 2020 1:04 pmNesmith, although he provides size and shooting, is a terrible creator and passer. Like worse than Oubre, imo. He's pretty far down the list for me. He doesn't move the ball without turning it over.Split T wrote: ↑Tue Sep 29, 2020 10:59 amYep, if we can snag an on ball scoring threat for the bench who can double as our long term plan at pg, sign me up. I haven’t bumped him ahead of Haliburton, Hayes, or Nesmith yet, but 2 of those guys probably won’t be there, and he’s neck and neck with Nesmith for me at 10.