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Drewsprocket wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 27, 2020 2:38 pm

Or just trade for someone more ready. I just saw Blazers vs Pacers and really think Aaron Holiday is gonna be a player. Why not use our good trade chips to get someone closer to being ready rather than the Draft. Clearly we don’t draft well.

We used to be so good at drafting. What happened?

Bobby Foam Finger started hiring and firing people.

In2ition wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:18 pm

Drewsprocket wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 27, 2020 2:38 pm

Or just trade for someone more ready. I just saw Blazers vs Pacers and really think Aaron Holiday is gonna be a player. Why not use our good trade chips to get someone closer to being ready rather than the Draft. Clearly we don’t draft well.

We used to be so good at drafting. What happened?

Do you really need to ask?

In2ition wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:18 pm

Drewsprocket wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 27, 2020 2:38 pm

Or just trade for someone more ready. I just saw Blazers vs Pacers and really think Aaron Holiday is gonna be a player. Why not use our good trade chips to get someone closer to being ready rather than the Draft. Clearly we don’t draft well.

We used to be so good at drafting. What happened?

The Colangelos left.

Cap wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 27, 2020 5:04 pm

In2ition wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:18 pm

Drewsprocket wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 27, 2020 2:38 pm

Or just trade for someone more ready. I just saw Blazers vs Pacers and really think Aaron Holiday is gonna be a player. Why not use our good trade chips to get someone closer to being ready rather than the Draft. Clearly we don’t draft well.

We used to be so good at drafting. What happened?

The Colangelos left.

Did you really need to say?

Well regardless. Booker was an ace pick but that was easy to call. I’m the meantime I hope JJ accelerates things and makes some smart moves to get us back into the race for 8th spot. Too many injuries right now.

Drewsprocket wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:06 pm

Well regardless. Booker was an ace pick but that was easy to call. I’m the meantime I hope JJ accelerates things and makes some smart moves to get us back into the race for 8th spot. Too many injuries right now.

Booker was easy to call? He didn’t even start on his college team. He was the sixth man.

SunsRIt wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 28, 2020 5:53 am

Drewsprocket wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:06 pm

Well regardless. Booker was an ace pick but that was easy to call. I’m the meantime I hope JJ accelerates things and makes some smart moves to get us back into the race for 8th spot. Too many injuries right now.

Booker was easy to call? He didn’t even start on his college team. He was the sixth man.

Check the draft day thread. Everybody was saying he was the obvious choice, and there was no second choice. Doesn’t mean we knew quite how good he would be, but he’s the guy everybody here would have picked.

Cap wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 28, 2020 6:15 am

SunsRIt wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 28, 2020 5:53 am

Drewsprocket wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:06 pm

Well regardless. Booker was an ace pick but that was easy to call. I’m the meantime I hope JJ accelerates things and makes some smart moves to get us back into the race for 8th spot. Too many injuries right now.

Booker was easy to call? He didn’t even start on his college team. He was the sixth man.

Check the draft day thread. Everybody was saying he was the obvious choice, and there was no second choice. Doesn’t mean we knew quite how good he would be, but he’s the guy everybody here would have picked.

He was the easy choice for us, but so was Brandon Clarke last year and for most so was Luka the year before. That being said, I agree with you.

We knew he would be a good shooter for us. I don't remember anyone who knew he would be this good off the dribble.

I would have messed up 2 or 3 of our picks over the last few years. How is me + youtube better than a professional staff?

The thing that drives me crazy about our front office over the years is how we seem to manage "risk." The best example is in 2016 when we drafted Chriss followed by Bender. Both of them were similar from a position and risk perspective: young PFs who have upside but could bust. They both needed minutes, a clear role, mentorship, and patience. We waffled back and forth between them, often starting / playing Chriss but then getting frustrated by his many limitations and switching to Bender for stretches. Neither had a clear picture of their role or whether they'd get minutes. Neither seemed to get much mentorship or big man coaching. And then, of course, they both busted. If you have two lottery 1st-rounders in that draft, why not take one risky player like Chriss and then one safer / more likely hit such as Sabonis? Or at least draft players at two different positions, for Pete's sake?

Then you look at the 2017 draft where we picked Josh Jackson. We *knew* he couldn't shoot, and we desperately needed shooting and a PG. So why the heck do you take an "athlete" rather than a stud PG like De'Aaron Fox? Then in the second round, we have the #32 pick and use it on Davon Reed (who?). Jordan Bell is just sitting there, and he's almost certain to become an NBA rotation player, but we pass on him.

The 2018 draft is mostly defensible though in retrospect severely damaging. We take Ayton #1, we've talked that one to death. We then trade to get Bridges at #10 when we could have had SGA; oof. Lots of folks liked SGA going into the draft, and that one hurts, though I can understand it given that Bridges projected as a 3-and-D stud and we needed that. In the 2nd round we take Okobo, and honestly for a 2nd-round pick I think he's been pretty impressive, so I don't fault us there.

Our drafts get really ugly when you start to look at them combined with our FA decisions, like trading for Melton when we already had Okobo, or getting Josh Jackson when we already had TJ Warren and other SFs, or drafting Bridges when we already had Warren and Jackson, on and on. Just throwing sh*t at the wall to see what sticks.

In2ition wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 28, 2020 8:21 am

Cap wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 28, 2020 6:15 am

SunsRIt wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 28, 2020 5:53 am

Drewsprocket wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:06 pm

Well regardless. Booker was an ace pick but that was easy to call. I’m the meantime I hope JJ accelerates things and makes some smart moves to get us back into the race for 8th spot. Too many injuries right now.

Booker was easy to call? He didn’t even start on his college team. He was the sixth man.

Check the draft day thread. Everybody was saying he was the obvious choice, and there was no second choice. Doesn’t mean we knew quite how good he would be, but he’s the guy everybody here would have picked.

He was the easy choice for us, but so was Brandon Clarke last year and for most so was Luka the year before. That being said, I agree with you.

No, Ayton was the consensus #1, not Doncic. in hindsight you might say he was the obvious pick, but he wasn't the consensus #1.

And Clarke was considered to be a mid-first, not a "easy choice" at the Suns spot. He was the darling of the analytics crowd, but not rated as highly by most people.

The Bobster wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 28, 2020 9:53 am

In2ition wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 28, 2020 8:21 am

Cap wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 28, 2020 6:15 am

SunsRIt wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 28, 2020 5:53 am

Drewsprocket wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:06 pm

Well regardless. Booker was an ace pick but that was easy to call. I’m the meantime I hope JJ accelerates things and makes some smart moves to get us back into the race for 8th spot. Too many injuries right now.

Booker was easy to call? He didn’t even start on his college team. He was the sixth man.

Check the draft day thread. Everybody was saying he was the obvious choice, and there was no second choice. Doesn’t mean we knew quite how good he would be, but he’s the guy everybody here would have picked.

He was the easy choice for us, but so was Brandon Clarke last year and for most so was Luka the year before. That being said, I agree with you.

No, Ayton was the consensus #1, not Doncic. in hindsight you might say he was the obvious pick, but he wasn't the consensus #1.

And Clarke was considered to be a mid-first, not a "easy choice" at the Suns spot. He was the darling of the analytics crowd, but not rated as highly by most people.

Idk, all the Suns fans that I knew(maybe I blocked out the people that liked someone else) except David Kevin favored Clarke. Seemed like the obvious choice when they moved down to 11 to me.

ShelC was not a fan, but even he said he would have been ok with Clarke at 11.

Doncic wasn’t even the #2 pick. He was picked #3 by the Hawks.

Yea it was when people were talking about Clarke at 6 where I was like "chilllllll".

With Doncic, if you're drafting by what the consensus is saying you shouldn't have a job in a front office.

Cap wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 27, 2020 5:04 pm

In2ition wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:18 pm

Drewsprocket wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 27, 2020 2:38 pm

Or just trade for someone more ready. I just saw Blazers vs Pacers and really think Aaron Holiday is gonna be a player. Why not use our good trade chips to get someone closer to being ready rather than the Draft. Clearly we don’t draft well.

We used to be so good at drafting. What happened?

The Colangelos left.

I am a big Jerry C fan and have been for years, but we were never as good as it might seem. I have been a Suns fan since 1976. Yes, we blew some early draft picks, but those are the ones that are most obvious to blow. Jerry C had few high draft picks, but when he had them, his record was not so great either.

Ron Lee (10th), Marty Byrnes (23rd), Kyle Macy (25th), David Thirdkill (15th), Jay Humphries (13th), Ed Pinckney (10th), William Bedford (6th yuck!), Armon Gilliam (2nd, yuck!), Tim Perry (7th), Oliver Miller (22nd)

And then there is Malcolm Mackey, Mario Bennett, Big Jake, Casey Jacobsen, and Zarko.

What Colangelo was good at was making opportunistic trades and drawing free agents.

SunsRIt wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 28, 2020 5:53 am

Drewsprocket wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:06 pm

Well regardless. Booker was an ace pick but that was easy to call. I’m the meantime I hope JJ accelerates things and makes some smart moves to get us back into the race for 8th spot. Too many injuries right now.

Booker was easy to call? He didn’t even start on his college team. He was the sixth man.

Everyone knew he was the best shooter in the draft. I would have lost my sh!t if they didn’t draft him.

I wanted Myles Turner, but when he didn’t make it to 13, Booker was the obvious pick. No one thought he’d be this though.

It's going to kill me that McDoofus will claim competence by his drafting of who might just become the greatest Sun in history in Booker.

Guy couldn't spot talent or a roster issue if they slapped him in the face.