Split T wrote:I'm officially moving JJJ to the top of my board. I maintain the right to move him back down though.
He looks like a Kevin Garnett clone.
Re: 2018 NBA Draft Thread
Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:12 pm
by Superbone
Split T wrote:
specialsauce wrote:I don't like that he's only averaging 6 rebounds per game.
That's fair, he does only play 22 minutes a game though and is exclusively playing the 4 and spends a lot of time away from the hoop. Still, he doesn't look like a great rebounder and that's a little worrisome next to our current non rebounding bigs.
Why is he only playing 22 minutes a game? That would seem to be a red flag.
Re: 2018 NBA Draft Thread
Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:19 pm
by Split T
Superbone wrote:
Split T wrote:
specialsauce wrote:I don't like that he's only averaging 6 rebounds per game.
That's fair, he does only play 22 minutes a game though and is exclusively playing the 4 and spends a lot of time away from the hoop. Still, he doesn't look like a great rebounder and that's a little worrisome next to our current non rebounding bigs.
Why is he only playing 22 minutes a game? That would seem to be a red flag.
He struggles with foul trouble, and they've got a couple other bigs that play consistent minutes. I'm not too familiar with the situation though.
Re: 2018 NBA Draft Thread
Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:50 pm
by Split T
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This is the most he's shown offensively. Scoring in the post, driving, passing and of course hitting the 3 ball. His defense is the real reason I want him.
Re: 2018 NBA Draft Thread
Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:05 pm
by O_Gardino
Split T wrote:
Superbone wrote:
Split T wrote:
specialsauce wrote:I don't like that he's only averaging 6 rebounds per game.
That's fair, he does only play 22 minutes a game though and is exclusively playing the 4 and spends a lot of time away from the hoop. Still, he doesn't look like a great rebounder and that's a little worrisome next to our current non rebounding bigs.
Why is he only playing 22 minutes a game? That would seem to be a red flag.
He struggles with foul trouble, and they've got a couple other bigs that play consistent minutes. I'm not too familiar with the situation though.
He's really really young, too, and had a limited game at the start of the season. I don't know if I've seen a prospect grow this much in a freshman season for a while.
Re: 2018 NBA Draft Thread
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:35 am
by Shabazz
O_Gardino wrote:
Split T wrote:
Superbone wrote:
Split T wrote:
specialsauce wrote:I don't like that he's only averaging 6 rebounds per game.
That's fair, he does only play 22 minutes a game though and is exclusively playing the 4 and spends a lot of time away from the hoop. Still, he doesn't look like a great rebounder and that's a little worrisome next to our current non rebounding bigs.
Why is he only playing 22 minutes a game? That would seem to be a red flag.
He struggles with foul trouble, and they've got a couple other bigs that play consistent minutes. I'm not too familiar with the situation though.
He's really really young, too, and had a limited game at the start of the season. I don't know if I've seen a prospect grow this much in a freshman season for a while.
Embiid comes to mind.
I really like Jackson. I think he's tied at #3 for me (with Trae) after Doncic and Ayton. He could easily end up being the best player of the whole class. I just wish he was a little more NBA-ready and a better rebounder. I'm low on patience right now which is a big reason Ayton is more appealing to me. I feel like Ayton could come in next season and put up 18/10/1.5. Jackson strikes me as someone who'll average 12/5/2.5 in his rookie season, but by year 3 would be a top 5 defender in the NBA. His defensive potential is enormous.
Re: 2018 NBA Draft Thread
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 6:38 am
by Wormwood
Going into the draft right now, I am really high on Trae Young.
JJJ is interesting. I regard him as the safest pick in the draft because he fits the Channing Frye mold of 3-point shooting big man who doesn't rebound, but plays good overall defense. If we took JJJ at 4 or 5, I'd be fine. People seem to forget that wherever he went, Frye was near the top of his team in Real Plus Minus. I get the feeling JJJ would do the same; stats aren't eye popping, but who cares when you're winning?
Ayton has the highest upside of anyone, and I'd be very happy with that him.
Trae Young is going to be an all star. He's dominating on the ball, sure, but he's also racking up 9 assists and 4 rebs per game.
Doncic is a Euro. They're very hit and miss. Between JJJ and Doncic, I'd have a very hard time, since it's a choice between the highest risk guy and the lowest risk.
So, all that said, here's my draft board:
1. Trae Young. You gotta take the near sure fire all star if he's there.
2. Ayton. Highest ceiling of anyone on this list
3. Jaren Jackson Jr. If you come away with a solid starter from the draft who will, you did ok. I can't say that Bagley, Bomba, or Porter are sure fire NBA-caliber players. JJJ is.
4. Doncic. I would take him ahead of JJJ under normal circumstanses, but he'd be competeing for minutes with Payton, Booker, TJ, and Jackson.
5. Bagley III. He can rebound, and he's an interior scorer. But, his FT% is a huge red flag for me.
Re: 2018 NBA Draft Thread
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:44 am
by In2ition
After watching Ayton closely last night, I would take him #1. His positional versatility, physical dominance, and skill does it for me. Now, I'm surely hoping for the #1 pick and if that happens, I use the Miami picks, other picks, Chriss and/or Warren to move up for the best pick I can get to grab the next best big I can move up to, whether it's Jackson, Bamba, Bagley, Porter jr. or Carter. Or even Doncic or Young to pair with him. If it's not possible to move up, Jontay Porter, Robert Williams, Robinson, or Sexton would do too.
I think Ayton can play pf or center and could thrive as the defensive anchor or a tandem that dominates down low on defense with Bender being an excellent versatile big off the bench.
I just want to see the Suns have their franchise big man for the next 10-15 years and not pine for or envy any other team with one.
Re: 2018 NBA Draft Thread
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:14 am
by Mori Chu
I've seen just enough U of A games this year to fall in love with Ayton. I love watching a great big man play. Seems like he'd make a big impact for us right away and fill a huge hole in our roster. If we didn't get #1 (or the chance to draft Ayton), then I tend to like Doncic. He just seems like a unicorn to me, a guy who will really make a mark in the NBA. Doesn't perfectly fit our roster and needs, but if he's that good, we should reshape the roster to fit him. Trae Young also intrigues me, though I fear he may be a Jimmer-esque guy who rocks college but can't do the same in the pros. I'd still probably give Trae a try if we had the #3-4 pick and he were still there. After that it's pretty much any of the other big men: JJJ, Bagley, whoever. I'm not very excited about Bamba, Porter, or any others.
Re: 2018 NBA Draft Thread
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:18 am
by specialsauce
Ayton
Doncic
Bagley
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Try and package pick with Warren and Chriss for a young star ( Anthony Davis )
JJJ
Young
Bamba
Trae having another really bad shooting game. I have a hard time seeing him go top 5. Orlando is the only team I think that would take him that high. Maybe Cleveland.
Re: 2018 NBA Draft Thread
Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:50 am
by Split T
Ayton/JJJ is who I want. I feel better about JJJ right now, but I'd be ecstatic with both. Doncic is on the same level to me, but I think Ayton/JJJ are better fits for us. I really want Bamba to impress me, would be really nice to have a 3rd big I love.
Re: 2018 NBA Draft Thread
Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 8:38 pm
by INFORMER
In2ition wrote:After watching Ayton closely last night, I would take him #1.
Don't overlook the fact that he was being guarded by guys 6'5 to 6'7 all night long.
Re: 2018 NBA Draft Thread
Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 9:15 pm
by JustWinBaby
INFORMER wrote:
In2ition wrote:After watching Ayton closely last night, I would take him #1.
Don't overlook the fact that he was being guarded by guys 6'5 to 6'7 all night long.
I thought the same thing. Actually I think it is amazing that ASU has as many wins as they have. Their effort is off the charts.
Is Sean Miller the most overrated coach in the country?
With the physical adantages he has had virtually every year It would seem as though he would have won a championship by now. I don't think that he has even taken them to the final 4.
Re: 2018 NBA Draft Thread
Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:40 pm
by In2ition
INFORMER wrote:
In2ition wrote:After watching Ayton closely last night, I would take him #1.
Don't overlook the fact that he was being guarded by guys 6'5 to 6'7 all night long.
I realize ASU isn't the biggest or longest team. I really like Ayton's length, skill, size, and athleticism, and feel he's going to be an outstanding pro.
Re: RE: Re: 2018 NBA Draft Thread
Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:38 pm
by carey
JustWinBaby wrote:
I thought the same thing. Actually I think it is amazing that ASU has as many wins as they have. Their effort is off the charts.
Is Sean Miller the most overrated coach in the country?
With the physical adantages he has had virtually every year It would seem as though he would have won a championship by now. I don't think that he has even taken them to the final 4.
He has a hell of a team behind him recruiting & that is half that battle as a college coach. As a tactician responsible for in-game adjustments he isn't even top 25.
Re: 2018 NBA Draft Thread
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:00 am
by EternalChampion
Split T wrote:Trae having another really bad shooting game. I have a hard time seeing him go top 5. Orlando is the only team I think that would take him that high. Maybe Cleveland.
IMO every team that passes on Trae will regret it. He's a slightly built freshman, carrying almost the entire offensive load for a major conference team and he's averaging 35 minutes a game. Players often hit the freshman wall logging a lot fewer minutes and carrying far less responsibility. He's got jello legs now and his shot is gone but his game is made for the NBA. Injuries notwithstanding (and that's a significant caveat given his build), I think he is THE game changer from this class.
As a UA fan, I can't help but like the idea of drafting Ayton. He has a solid floor, roughly that of a rich man's Greg Monroe, but I'm unconvinced that he well ever rise much above that floor.
Re: 2018 NBA Draft Thread
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:11 am
by In2ition
EternalChampion wrote:
Split T wrote:
As a UA fan, I can't help but like the idea of drafting Ayton. He has a solid floor, roughly that of a rich man's Greg Monroe, but I'm unconvinced that he well ever rise much above that floor.
I think he will definitely rise above that floor. Monroe can barely move, and Ayton is an extreme athlete.
Re: 2018 NBA Draft Thread
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:13 am
by In2ition
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