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Ultimately, organizations would be better served trying to build, rather than acquire star teams.
I can't find the post, but at one point I went through the last 30 years of so showing that the best player on championship teams were overwhelming drafted by their team (or acquired on draft night), as opposed to traded for after they were a star.

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The large majority of teams winning with draft picks took place 20+ years ago (I am not counting LeBron James since he signed with Cleveland as a free agent). Curry is the only player on the list drafted since 2004 who has won a championship with his original team.

So unless you're picking at (or near) the top of the draft and getting a Magic Johnson, Hakeem Olajuwon, Michael Jordan, Isiah Thomas or Tim Duncan, it appears you're better off signing free agents.

Last 30 champions -

2016-17 Golden State - Durant (free agent)
2015-16 Cleveland - James (free agent)
2014-15 Golden State - Curry (draft)
2013-14 San Antonio - Duncan (draft)
2012-13 Miami - James (free agent)
2011-12 Miami - James (free agent)
2010-11 Dallas - Nowitzki (draft night trade)
2009-10 LA Lakers - Bryant (draft night trade)
2008-09 LA Lakers - Bryant (draft night trade)
2007-08 Boston - Garnett (trade)
2006-07 San Antonio - Duncan (draft)
2005-06 Miami - Wade (draft)
2004-05 San Antonio - Duncan (draft)
2003-04 Detroit - Billups (free agent)
2002-03 San Antonio - Duncan (draft)
2001-02 LA Lakers - O'Neal (free agent)
2000-01 LA Lakers - O'Neal (free agent)
1999-00 LA Lakers - O'Neal (free agent)
1998-99 San Antonio - Duncan (draft)
1997-98 Chicago - Jordan (draft)
1996-97 Chicago - Jordan (draft)
1995-96 Chicago - Jordan (draft)
1994-95 Houston - Olajuwon (draft)
1993-94 Houston - Olajuwon (draft)
1992-93 Chicago - Jordan (draft)
1991-92 Chicago - Jordan (draft)
1990-91 Chicago - Jordan (draft)
1989-90 Detroit - Thomas (draft)
1988-89 Detroit - Thomas (draft)
1987-88 LA Lakers - Johnson (draft)

Draft picks - Curry, Duncan, Johnson, Jordan, Olajuwon, Thomas, Wade
Draft night trades - Bryant, Nowitzki
Free agents - Billups, Durant, James (Cle), James (Mia), O'Neal
Trades - Garnett
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Ha ha. Even our personal life threads turn onto basketball talk.
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I can't help but notice that all of the teams winning titles led by FAs in your list are "destination" cities -- LA, SF, Miami.

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Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:I can't help but notice that all of the teams winning titles led by FAs in your list are "destination" cities -- LA, SF, Miami.
Except Detroit and Cleveland. But then Billups wasn't a coveted free agent, and James is a "special case"
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Curry is the only player on the list drafted since 2004 who has won a championship with his original team.
But aren't there only two stars drafted since 2004 to win a ring? Curry and Durant.

James is definitely a special case, and Shaq to the Lakers is likely the biggest tampering case ever.

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I'd like to point out that aside from James in Cleveland, all the Free Agent cases are teams that already had HOF players through the draft and strong teams to back them up.

John's point still stands.
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Superbone wrote:Congratulations, Mori, and happy birthday! The best thing in my life was having my 2 kids. I've been through the whole process from birth through college graduation and out on their own so ask anything that comes to mind along the way.
Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:I am also celebrating my 38th birthday today, Sep 19. Woo hoo! I don't feel as spry as I did at 25, but I still have a few good years left in me. When do I get to trade in my Subaru for a midlife crisis sportscar?
Funny you should ask. I just picked up this baby a week and a half ago:

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I've already put 1300 miles on her. The break-in period is almost over. So fun!
That's a mean looking car SB. I like it a lot!

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Indy wrote:
Curry is the only player on the list drafted since 2004 who has won a championship with his original team.
But aren't there only two stars drafted since 2004 to win a ring? Curry and Durant.

James is definitely a special case, and Shaq to the Lakers is likely the biggest tampering case ever.
The thing is - if you draft a superstar, it's imperative to keep him happy and re-sign him. You can't do what OKC has done. They've drafted 3 of the top 10 players in the league and have the very real possibility of losing all three of them.
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The Bobster wrote:
Indy wrote:
Curry is the only player on the list drafted since 2004 who has won a championship with his original team.
But aren't there only two stars drafted since 2004 to win a ring? Curry and Durant.

James is definitely a special case, and Shaq to the Lakers is likely the biggest tampering case ever.
The thing is - if you draft a superstar, it's imperative to keep him happy and re-sign him. You can't do what OKC has done. They've drafted 3 of the top 10 players in the league and have the very real possibility of losing all three of them.
I think SA is an extremely rare exception over the last 25 years. Small market teams can't compete with big market teams for top 10 players in the league.

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iLLmatic wrote:That's a mean looking car SB. I like it a lot!
Thanks, man! It's been a blast driving it. I'm just hitting my 1500 break-in miles today. Now, I'll really be able to open her up.
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Superbone wrote:
iLLmatic wrote:That's a mean looking car SB. I like it a lot!
Thanks, man! It's been a blast driving it. I'm just hitting my 1500 break-in miles today. Now, I'll really be able to open her up.
I am assuming it has the same limiter that all cars nowadays has that limits it to ~120 or so?

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Indy wrote:
Superbone wrote:
iLLmatic wrote:That's a mean looking car SB. I like it a lot!
Thanks, man! It's been a blast driving it. I'm just hitting my 1500 break-in miles today. Now, I'll really be able to open her up.
I am assuming it has the same limiter that all cars nowadays has that limits it to ~120 or so?
I don't know. Speedometer goes to 200. Doubt I'll have the opportunity to attempt to break 120 but it would be fun to try.
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Superbone wrote:
Indy wrote:
Superbone wrote:
iLLmatic wrote:That's a mean looking car SB. I like it a lot!
Thanks, man! It's been a blast driving it. I'm just hitting my 1500 break-in miles today. Now, I'll really be able to open her up.
I am assuming it has the same limiter that all cars nowadays has that limits it to ~120 or so?
I don't know. Speedometer goes to 200. Doubt I'll have the opportunity to attempt to break 120 but it would be fun to try.
Looks like owners have gotten the stock V8 up to 170-175 mph:

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Is it stick shift SB?

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Also, you should tint your windows darker if you can.

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iLLmatic wrote:Is it stick shift SB?
No, I have the 8 speed automatic. It does have a paddle shifting mode though.
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iLLmatic wrote:Also, you should tint your windows darker if you can.
They're currently the factory windows.
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Fuck hurricanes. Especially in October. This has been as shitty of a hurricane season as I can remember.
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carey wrote:f*** hurricanes. Especially in October. This has been as s*** of a hurricane season as I can remember.
Give it a few decades, you'll be remembering this as the good old days.

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