2018 Suns Offseason News

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Flagrant Fowl wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:04 pm
Superbone wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 4:20 pm
Yeah, people say he's young, give him time. But you can't teach aggressiveness. You either have it or you don't. I just don't think he has a killer instinct. I'm starting to think he's a lost cause. What a lost draft. :(
Every GM wanted that next Porzingis or Gobert but it's increasingly looking like we got another Darko, which is actually the most common outcome in this situation.
I blame the NBA and their fixed lottery that year. Simmons was the big prize, but in their infinite wisdom they felt it was best to give the top three picks to Philly, LAL, and Boston.

With that said, I think we benefited from the lottery this year. Of course, it was when it was a deep class so many benefited this year.
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In2ition wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:07 pm
Flagrant Fowl wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:04 pm
Superbone wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 4:20 pm
Yeah, people say he's young, give him time. But you can't teach aggressiveness. You either have it or you don't. I just don't think he has a killer instinct. I'm starting to think he's a lost cause. What a lost draft. :(
Every GM wanted that next Porzingis or Gobert but it's increasingly looking like we got another Darko, which is actually the most common outcome in this situation.
I blame the NBA and their fixed lottery that year. Simmons was the big prize, but in their infinite wisdom they felt it was best to give the top three picks to Philly, LAL, and Boston.

With that said, I think we benefited from the lottery this year. Of course, it was when it was a deep class so many benefited this year.
I'm so happy we got that #1 monkey off our back you can't even believe it.
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Flagrant Fowl wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:04 pm
Superbone wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 4:20 pm
Yeah, people say he's young, give him time. But you can't teach aggressiveness. You either have it or you don't. I just don't think he has a killer instinct. I'm starting to think he's a lost cause. What a lost draft. :(
Every GM wanted that next Porzingis or Gobert but it's increasingly looking like we got another Darko, which is actually the most common outcome in this situation.
Bender was never that great of a prospect. Take the 18 year old prospect Bender and put him in this draft and I'm not sure he even cracks the lottery. It's unfortunate we drafted so high in such a bad draft.

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Split T wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 6:18 pm
Flagrant Fowl wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:04 pm
Superbone wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 4:20 pm
Yeah, people say he's young, give him time. But you can't teach aggressiveness. You either have it or you don't. I just don't think he has a killer instinct. I'm starting to think he's a lost cause. What a lost draft. :(
Every GM wanted that next Porzingis or Gobert but it's increasingly looking like we got another Darko, which is actually the most common outcome in this situation.
Bender was never that great of a prospect. Take the 18 year old prospect Bender and put him in this draft and I'm not sure he even cracks the lottery. It's unfortunate we drafted so high in such a bad draft.
I'll always wonder what he would've become had he been drafted into a more stable organization or left overseas for a couple of years.
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Playing overseas might have helped. I still would just stick him in the g league all year. He needs to learn to do something on the court.

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I think he would do better if they left him in a lab for a year. With stem cell advances, maybe he could grow a pair!
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ShelC wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 3:34 pm
I'd like for us to give Holmes a legit shot. Sauce is nice but Holmes can really play above the rim, hit the 3, bring some energy and bounce off the bench.

With Bender, those quotes sound like frustration even from a new coach like Igor. You see the size and skillset, but he's just invisible out there. He doesn't seem to make any real impact. He came in with a rep for perimeter defense as a 7footer so where's that gone? Guarding 4s shouldn't be a problem honestly. Even 5s are smaller so he should match up well there too.

Holmes can hit the 3?

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specialsauce wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 8:25 pm
ShelC wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 3:34 pm
I'd like for us to give Holmes a legit shot. Sauce is nice but Holmes can really play above the rim, hit the 3, bring some energy and bounce off the bench.

With Bender, those quotes sound like frustration even from a new coach like Igor. You see the size and skillset, but he's just invisible out there. He doesn't seem to make any real impact. He came in with a rep for perimeter defense as a 7footer so where's that gone? Guarding 4s shouldn't be a problem honestly. Even 5s are smaller so he should match up well there too.

Holmes can hit the 3?
Holmes can't even set a screen without fouling.
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Suns might go hard after Tobias Harris this off-season, I'm guessing.
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In2ition wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 10:05 pm
Suns might go hard after Tobias Harris this off-season, I'm guessing.
I'd be ok with that. Tobias is good

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It'll be hard to outbid the Clippers unless they go after a couple of all-star level players and ask him to take less money than he's worth on the open market.
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Split T wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 10:14 pm
In2ition wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 10:05 pm
Suns might go hard after Tobias Harris this off-season, I'm guessing.
I'd be ok with that. Tobias is good
To play him where, at the 4?

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Ya, he's been a 4 most his career

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josh jackson and bender should worry for their careers if suns go in to tank mode again and prolong The Process.

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Bender should worry about his career no matter what happens. He'll be out of the league soon at his current rate.
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Superbone wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:44 pm
Bender should worry about his career no matter what happens. He'll be out of the league soon at his current rate.
he and jackson are in a bad situation, and getting worse.

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SDC wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:47 pm
Superbone wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:44 pm
Bender should worry about his career no matter what happens. He'll be out of the league soon at his current rate.
he and jackson are in a bad situation, and getting worse.
Jackson has his issues, but he's not remotely close to being in the same spot as Bender

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SDC wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:47 pm
Superbone wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:44 pm
Bender should worry about his career no matter what happens. He'll be out of the league soon at his current rate.
he and jackson are in a bad situation, and getting worse.
Dude why are you mentioning Jackson and Bender in the same breath?

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josh jackson and the suns first round pick for lonzo
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechec ... de/7119414

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SDC wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:18 pm
josh jackson and the suns first round pick for lonzo
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechec ... de/7119414
Are you trying to trigger people?

Btw, I would certainly think about this trade, although I think Jackson would be better with Lonzo.
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