Re: 2018 Suns Offseason News
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 9:55 pm
We got Jason freaking Kidd in that trade. Great deal.
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Re: 2018 Suns Offseason News
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 10:05 pm
Problem is, never liked Kidd. Pre or post-fries.
But yes, I get it that it was (an obvious) great deal. Still don't like it though.
But yes, I get it that it was (an obvious) great deal. Still don't like it though.
Re: 2018 Suns Offseason News
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 12:35 am
I have zero. Interest in bringing in second rate never done nothings like Beverly just to fill a spot... I'd rather let our talent learn or hold out for someone worth spending on
Re: 2018 Suns Offseason News
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 4:30 am
Re: 2018 Suns Offseason News
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:48 am
We are not going to playoffs this year, Beverly or no. Look for ways to shed useless salary, give minutes to Melton and Okobo to see if they're potential starters. They were ranked 12 and 16 by Pelton's analytic software.
Re: 2018 Suns Offseason News
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:59 am
My feeling is that if you end up trading a second-round pick and Troy Daniels' expiring contract for Beverly's expiring (which is not guaranteed), it's a no-lose deal. Okobo and Melton are going to need some time to develop, and this would buy a year without making a huge investment. And while I like what Harrison did last year, I don't consider him a prospect for the job long-term.
Re: 2018 Suns Offseason News
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:05 am
This. Let's give our new coach tools, and let him figure out how to use them. Once he has an idea on what guys are capable of this year, next year, and in 3 years, then we can decide which to keep. But not giving him the tools seems like a bad way to start a training camp.The Bobster wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:59 amMy feeling is that if you end up trading a second-round pick and Troy Daniels' expiring contract for Beverly's expiring (which is not guaranteed), it's a no-lose deal. Okobo and Melton are going to need some time to develop, and this would buy a year without making a huge investment. And while I like what Harrison did last year, I don't consider him a prospect for the job long-term.
Re: 2018 Suns Offseason News
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:16 am
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Re: 2018 Suns Offseason News
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:33 am
LikeIndy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:05 amThis. Let's give our new coach tools, and let him figure out how to use them. Once he has an idea on what guys are capable of this year, next year, and in 3 years, then we can decide which to keep. But not giving him the tools seems like a bad way to start a training camp.The Bobster wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:59 amMy feeling is that if you end up trading a second-round pick and Troy Daniels' expiring contract for Beverly's expiring (which is not guaranteed), it's a no-lose deal. Okobo and Melton are going to need some time to develop, and this would buy a year without making a huge investment. And while I like what Harrison did last year, I don't consider him a prospect for the job long-term.
Re: 2018 Suns Offseason News
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:01 am
Re: 2018 Suns Offseason News
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:05 am
I am in this camp. Time to start winning some games and get a winning culture. Our young PGs don't need to be thrown into the fire to see what we have. Let them come along slowly like most young players. It is time to get out of the development only mindset.In2ition wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:33 amLikeIndy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:05 amThis. Let's give our new coach tools, and let him figure out how to use them. Once he has an idea on what guys are capable of this year, next year, and in 3 years, then we can decide which to keep. But not giving him the tools seems like a bad way to start a training camp.The Bobster wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:59 amMy feeling is that if you end up trading a second-round pick and Troy Daniels' expiring contract for Beverly's expiring (which is not guaranteed), it's a no-lose deal. Okobo and Melton are going to need some time to develop, and this would buy a year without making a huge investment. And while I like what Harrison did last year, I don't consider him a prospect for the job long-term.
Re: 2018 Suns Offseason News
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:09 am
I don't think that deal is on the table. The report I heard suggested that 2nd round picks weren't enough.Superbone wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:05 amI am in this camp. Time to start winning some games and get a winning culture. Our young PGs don't need to be thrown into the fire to see what we have. Let them come along slowly like most young players. It is time to get out of the development only mindset.In2ition wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:33 amLikeIndy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:05 amThis. Let's give our new coach tools, and let him figure out how to use them. Once he has an idea on what guys are capable of this year, next year, and in 3 years, then we can decide which to keep. But not giving him the tools seems like a bad way to start a training camp.The Bobster wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:59 amMy feeling is that if you end up trading a second-round pick and Troy Daniels' expiring contract for Beverly's expiring (which is not guaranteed), it's a no-lose deal. Okobo and Melton are going to need some time to develop, and this would buy a year without making a huge investment. And while I like what Harrison did last year, I don't consider him a prospect for the job long-term.
Re: 2018 Suns Offseason News
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:14 am
Agreed, but if you include Daniels too, they can likely use him. And even if they think they can't, they can cut him and save money over PB. I don't think it is worth giving them a 1st round pick, though, considering he is only under contract for this season.O_Gardino wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:09 amI don't think that deal is on the table. The report I heard suggested that 2nd round picks weren't enough.Superbone wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:05 amI am in this camp. Time to start winning some games and get a winning culture. Our young PGs don't need to be thrown into the fire to see what we have. Let them come along slowly like most young players. It is time to get out of the development only mindset.In2ition wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:33 amLikeIndy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:05 amThis. Let's give our new coach tools, and let him figure out how to use them. Once he has an idea on what guys are capable of this year, next year, and in 3 years, then we can decide which to keep. But not giving him the tools seems like a bad way to start a training camp.The Bobster wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:59 amMy feeling is that if you end up trading a second-round pick and Troy Daniels' expiring contract for Beverly's expiring (which is not guaranteed), it's a no-lose deal. Okobo and Melton are going to need some time to develop, and this would buy a year without making a huge investment. And while I like what Harrison did last year, I don't consider him a prospect for the job long-term.
If the ONLY options I have available are:
1) Use any combo of (or even no) players and either our first or MIL pick
2) Go into camp without any more PGs
I choose #2. It isn't worth giving up a #1.
Re: 2018 Suns Offseason News
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:19 am
Really, we aren’t in position to make an educated call on this. We have no idea whether Melton and Okobo are ready. The coaches and FO have to make that call based on what they see at camp.Indy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:14 amAgreed, but if you include Daniels too, they can likely use him. And even if they think they can't, they can cut him and save money over PB. I don't think it is worth giving them a 1st round pick, though, considering he is only under contract for this season.O_Gardino wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:09 amI don't think that deal is on the table. The report I heard suggested that 2nd round picks weren't enough.Superbone wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:05 amI am in this camp. Time to start winning some games and get a winning culture. Our young PGs don't need to be thrown into the fire to see what we have. Let them come along slowly like most young players. It is time to get out of the development only mindset.In2ition wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:33 amLikeIndy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:05 am
This. Let's give our new coach tools, and let him figure out how to use them. Once he has an idea on what guys are capable of this year, next year, and in 3 years, then we can decide which to keep. But not giving him the tools seems like a bad way to start a training camp.
If the ONLY options I have available are:
1) Use any combo of (or even no) players and either our first or MIL pick
2) Go into camp without any more PGsy
I choose #2. It isn't worth giving up a #1.
Re: 2018 Suns Offseason News
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:21 am
Well, somebody here needs to go to that open scrimmage and send us a phx-suns scouting report!Cap wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:19 amReally, we aren’t in position to make an educated call on this. We have no idea whether Melton and Okobo are ready. The coaches and FO have to make that call based on what they see at camp.Indy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:14 amAgreed, but if you include Daniels too, they can likely use him. And even if they think they can't, they can cut him and save money over PB. I don't think it is worth giving them a 1st round pick, though, considering he is only under contract for this season.O_Gardino wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:09 amI don't think that deal is on the table. The report I heard suggested that 2nd round picks weren't enough.Superbone wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:05 amI am in this camp. Time to start winning some games and get a winning culture. Our young PGs don't need to be thrown into the fire to see what we have. Let them come along slowly like most young players. It is time to get out of the development only mindset.
If the ONLY options I have available are:
1) Use any combo of (or even no) players and either our first or MIL pick
2) Go into camp without any more PGsy
I choose #2. It isn't worth giving up a #1.
Re: 2018 Suns Offseason News
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:33 am
I'll be there. I'm taking my boys up there to watch and get their ids done for the ski passes.O_Gardino wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:21 amWell, somebody here needs to go to that open scrimmage and send us a phx-suns scouting report!Cap wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:19 amReally, we aren’t in position to make an educated call on this. We have no idea whether Melton and Okobo are ready. The coaches and FO have to make that call based on what they see at camp.Indy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:14 amAgreed, but if you include Daniels too, they can likely use him. And even if they think they can't, they can cut him and save money over PB. I don't think it is worth giving them a 1st round pick, though, considering he is only under contract for this season.O_Gardino wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:09 amI don't think that deal is on the table. The report I heard suggested that 2nd round picks weren't enough.Superbone wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:05 am
I am in this camp. Time to start winning some games and get a winning culture. Our young PGs don't need to be thrown into the fire to see what we have. Let them come along slowly like most young players. It is time to get out of the development only mindset.
If the ONLY options I have available are:
1) Use any combo of (or even no) players and either our first or MIL pick
2) Go into camp without any more PGsy
I choose #2. It isn't worth giving up a #1.
Re: 2018 Suns Offseason News
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:35 am
obviously the coaches know better than we do about what people are ready to handle. But you can't know much without a lot of practice.Cap wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:19 amReally, we aren’t in position to make an educated call on this. We have no idea whether Melton and Okobo are ready. The coaches and FO have to make that call based on what they see at camp.Indy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:14 amAgreed, but if you include Daniels too, they can likely use him. And even if they think they can't, they can cut him and save money over PB. I don't think it is worth giving them a 1st round pick, though, considering he is only under contract for this season.O_Gardino wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:09 amI don't think that deal is on the table. The report I heard suggested that 2nd round picks weren't enough.Superbone wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:05 amI am in this camp. Time to start winning some games and get a winning culture. Our young PGs don't need to be thrown into the fire to see what we have. Let them come along slowly like most young players. It is time to get out of the development only mindset.
If the ONLY options I have available are:
1) Use any combo of (or even no) players and either our first or MIL pick
2) Go into camp without any more PGsy
I choose #2. It isn't worth giving up a #1.
And let's say, worse-case, they are not ready to be average NBA PGs. Do you think it is worth giving up a first round pick to get 1 year of PB?
Re: 2018 Suns Offseason News
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:57 am
Exactly, you don't give up a 1st for a marginal PG just because your current pg's aren't ready. Not having pg's ready to play should make you interested in trading for one. But those same pg's should have zero bearing on negotiation price.
Re: 2018 Suns Offseason News
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:26 pm
I would strongly oppose giving up 1st-round picks for any non-superstar players.
Re: 2018 Suns Offseason News
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:51 pm
Seems overly cautious. Maybe your definition of superstar is different but you seem to be way over valuing 1st round picks. In the last couple years we've traded Bledsoe, Markieff, IT, Dragic, Gortat, and Scola for first round picks. None of those guys would I consider superstars. And the closest one, dragic, got us two 1sts. Do you view all those trades as absolute homeruns for McD?Marty [Mori Chu] wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:26 pmI would strongly oppose giving up 1st-round picks for any non-superstar players.