Mikal Bridges, Welcome to Phoenix!

[Cap]

I think by reports we called Philly first.. They called back when Zaire still on board.

Also how on earth could we lottery protect Miamis pick? Say protection kicks in.. What do Philly get.. Our pick? Hardly same thing.

Creative solutions to that sort of thing are possible when you’ve got time to hammer it out, but under the time conditions there was no way to negotiate an agreement with a lot of complicated options and contingencies. You either trade the pick or you don’t.

That’s not getting “played.” That was just the reality of the situation. Unless you think that making this deal in its simple form is worse than not making it at all, McD did his job.

[Wally_West]

https://twitter.com/Suns/status/1010349221927518209

[Ring_Wanted]

I think by reports we called Philly first.. They called back when Zaire still on board.

Also how on earth could we lottery protect Miamis pick? Say protection kicks in.. What do Philly get.. Our pick? Hardly same thing.

Creative solutions to that sort of thing are possible when you’ve got time to hammer it out, but under the time conditions there was no way to negotiate an agreement with a lot of complicated options and contingencies. You either trade the pick or you don’t.

That’s not getting “played.” That was just the reality of the situation. Unless you think that making this deal in its simple form is worse than not making it at all, McD did his job.

Time also was running against 76rs, who by all accounts look like the ones who offered the deal. They call and you swiftly say 'sure, MIA pick, but top5 protected'. Same teake it or leave it. I bet they still take it. Look, adding the protection is exactly the first thing that came to my mind when I first saw about the trade, not the product of some time cosuming deep reflection.

The GM needs to have the stones to say no. 'Oh, but Mikal was McD's guy'. Sure. But This draft was loaded. I am positive some other guy (maybe Zhaire, maybe Donte) means 85% of Mikal to you. It's arguable that MIA pick was worth the #10 by itself. The overpay is objectively big and by definition not a good way to do business for PHX. That pick could be the difference for 76rs in a trade for a superstar. Think about it and the sour taste already starts to build up.

Now, the kid is a nice prospect and certainly can become a relevant starter. I won't hate on him because of the move and want him to give the Suns so much that we laugh at the MIA pick, but we'll have to see. McD has gambled with his job here. That pick was meant for higher things, and 76rs knew.

[Superbone]

Am I missing something? How can you change the protections on a pick that isn't yours to begin with. Or are you saying they just don't get it at all if it doesn't meet our secondary protections. Why would anybody trade for a pick they might not even get?

[Ring_Wanted]

Am I missing something? How can you change the protections on a pick that isn't yours to begin with. Or are you saying they just don't get it at all if it doesn't meet our secondary protections. Why would anybody trade for a pick they might not even get?

Under the CBA you are allowed to put protection on the pick you are trading, even if it comes from another team. 76rs did it with the LAL pick when they sent it to BOS (they put top1 protection if I am not mistaken).

And plenty of times you trade for a pick you could en up not getting (think about those 'turns into two second round picks if not conveyed 3-4 years down the road). Obviously they wouldn't agree to heavy protection (say top14), but at the same time, PHX shouldn't have agreed to straight let it go. That's why I suggested top5 protection (would have been ok with top3 too). Or if MIA pick is so valuable to 76rs, then make it just that pick and another asset smaller than #16. Let's not forget we are talking about a trade where PHX is just jumping 5 spots.

[ShelC]

That pick was meant for higher things

That's what bothers me. We got a real nice player in Bridges, legit one of the top prospects in the draft, but I was hoping that pick could've been used on a vet who could really move this needle this year or next. I do agree with those who say the Heat org is always on top of things in terms of putting together competitive teams so the pick would most likely be in the 10-20 range by 2021, but consider Riles is 73 years old. He may be gone or less involved with the Heat by 2021 and then, who knows what happens with the team?

[O_Gardino]

It's not about jumping 5 spots; the difference between Bridges and DiVincenzo is enormous. It's about getting the team into a winning state.

You can only suck for so long before you lose Devin Booker, and you can only count on future draft picks making or breaking your franchise while you are terrible.

Yeah, it stings to give up a potentially good pick + a potentially good prospect. That pick and Smith could turn out to be better than Bridges.

But right now we have a few very good young players and a little momentum in public opinion. There is some energy around us, and the media (and hopefully some players) expect us to start competing and winning. If we suck again this year, it's going to cost us a ton in terms of public perception, Booker's and Jackson's willingness to stay, and free agents' willingness to come here.

To me, it's a bigger gamble to take DiVincenzo. There is a lot on the line this season.

[ShelC]

True. I would've been absolutely dejected had we taken DiVincenzo. In a draft filled with SGs/SFs (most of whom I don't think are even that good), we got arguably the most polished one ready to come play right now.

[Cap]

I think by reports we called Philly first.. They called back when Zaire still on board.

Also how on earth could we lottery protect Miamis pick? Say protection kicks in.. What do Philly get.. Our pick? Hardly same thing.

Creative solutions to that sort of thing are possible when you’ve got time to hammer it out, but under the time conditions there was no way to negotiate an agreement with a lot of complicated options and contingencies. You either trade the pick or you don’t.

That’s not getting “played.” That was just the reality of the situation. Unless you think that making this deal in its simple form is worse than not making it at all, McD did his job.

Time also was running against 76rs, who by all accounts look like the ones who offered the deal. They call and you swiftly say 'sure, MIA pick, but top5 protected'. Same teake it or leave it. I bet they still take it. Look, adding the protection is exactly the first thing that came to my mind when I first saw about the trade, not the product of some time cosuming deep reflection.

No, it doesn’t actually work that way, because you have to figure out what “Top 5 protected” means. If the pick turns out to be top 5, what do they get instead?

[carey]

Should have just said the lower of our pick and the Heat pick. There, done.

[Split T]

https://twitter.com/esidery/status/1010533900123136000

[Superbone]

Am I missing something? How can you change the protections on a pick that isn't yours to begin with. Or are you saying they just don't get it at all if it doesn't meet our secondary protections. Why would anybody trade for a pick they might not even get?

Under the CBA you are allowed to put protection on the pick you are trading, even if it comes from another team. 76rs did it with the LAL pick when they sent it to BOS (they put top1 protection if I am not mistaken).

And plenty of times you trade for a pick you could en up not getting (think about those 'turns into two second round picks if not conveyed 3-4 years down the road). Obviously they wouldn't agree to heavy protection (say top14), but at the same time, PHX shouldn't have agreed to straight let it go. That's why I suggested top5 protection (would have been ok with top3 too). Or if MIA pick is so valuable to 76rs, then make it just that pick and another asset smaller than #16. Let's not forget we are talking about a trade where PHX is just jumping 5 spots.

So, if we added top 5 protection, and the 2021 pick is #5, the 76ers would have gotten nothing for moving down, correct? So, they'd have to take a gamble that they're getting anything at all. Why would they ever do that? The answer has got to be that they wouldn't. So they say no and we now have DiVencenzo. You have to give something to get something. I'm fine with it. The chances of it being top 3 are very small and McDonough and crew did analysis on that.

[Superbone]

Should have just said the lower of our pick and the Heat pick. There, done.

Now that makes some sense.

[Mori Chu]

Should have just said the lower of our pick and the Heat pick. There, done.

I like the way you're thinking there, but, and I'm not positive about this, but I think that including our own pick in the language of the trade may have actually been bad for our flexibility. The CBA says that you cannot trade away your 1st round pick in consecutive seasons. This includes any trade that even has the potential for trading away your pick. So if we said that our Phoenix Suns 2021 first-round draft pick was possibly going to convey to Philly as part of this deal, it would mean that we would be unable to trade away our own 2020 or 2022 pick in any trade ever. That is a big constraint that could block us from including a needed asset to get an important deal done.

[AmareIsGod]

https://twitter.com/esidery/status/1010533900123136000

People still want to nail McD to the cross though for trading the MIA pick. They'll be damned if we got a diamond.

[TOO]

https://twitter.com/esidery/status/1010533900123136000

People still want to nail McD to the cross though for trading the MIA pick. They'll be damned if we got a diamond.

People are too obsessed with draft picks now. Its a total drag.

[TOO]

Should have just said the lower of our pick and the Heat pick. There, done.

Now that makes some sense.

Then what incentive does that give Philly? We still end up in the same position if they were to get the lower pick, which is what people will cry about anyway.

[Split T]

Should have just said the lower of our pick and the Heat pick. There, done.

I like the way you're thinking there, but, and I'm not positive about this, but I think that including our own pick in the language of the trade may have actually been bad for our flexibility. The CBA says that you cannot trade away your 1st round pick in consecutive seasons. This includes any trade that even has the potential for trading away your pick. So if we said that our Phoenix Suns 2021 first-round draft pick was possibly going to convey to Philly as part of this deal, it would mean that we would be unable to trade away our own 2020 or 2022 pick in any trade ever. That is a big constraint that could block us from including a needed asset to get an important deal done.

Having the Miami pick actually allows us to trade that pick without consequence. Just can't go two consecutive years without a first... It doesn't necessarily have to be your own 1st

[JCSunsfan]

Should have just said the lower of our pick and the Heat pick. There, done.

I like the way you're thinking there, but, and I'm not positive about this, but I think that including our own pick in the language of the trade may have actually been bad for our flexibility. The CBA says that you cannot trade away your 1st round pick in consecutive seasons. This includes any trade that even has the potential for trading away your pick. So if we said that our Phoenix Suns 2021 first-round draft pick was possibly going to convey to Philly as part of this deal, it would mean that we would be unable to trade away our own 2020 or 2022 pick in any trade ever. That is a big constraint that could block us from including a needed asset to get an important deal done.

Having a pick satisfies the requirement. It does not have to be your own pick. So the Stepien rule would not apply.

“7.03. First Round Draft Choice. No Member may sell its rights to select a player in the first round of any NBA Draft for cash or its equivalent, or trade or exchange its right to select a player in the first round of any NBA Draft if the result of such trade or exchange may be to leave the Member without first-round picks in any two (2) consecutive future NBA Drafts.”

I just don't think Philly would have done the deal if it was the worst of the Miami or our pick. Our pick should be in the 20's. They are not going to do that. They like Mikal and would have been content to keep him. We had to make it worth their while to give him up.

[INFORMER]

Especially considering all of the turmoil in their FO.

Pretty cool for Philly; fire your top basketball exec and still pull off a great trade, which was made easier, of course, by who was on the other end of the deal. Still impressive though.