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Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:08 pm
by djy2j
I want to like the guy. But then he says shit like this.
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:19 pm
by Superbone
djy2j wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:08 pm
I want to like the guy. But then he says shit like this.
Seriously. If he was just humble and said stuff like I know I need to learn to be more aggressive and draw more fouls but instead he gives us this shit. Him thinking he's maybe too aggressive is laughable. It's like he doesn't get that some of us have been watching basketball for almost 3 of his lifetimes and we know what aggressive basketball looks like. In his mind, his aggressiveness is equal to Embiid's. It's crazy really.
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:38 pm
by Kryptonic
Funny how he says this crap now after he got his pay day... Still SMH and can't believe he said that. We sure this isn't a deepfake?
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2023 10:13 am
by SunsSince92
Superbone wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:19 pm
djy2j wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:08 pm
I want to like the guy. But then he says shit like this.
Seriously. If he was just humble and said stuff like I know I need to learn to be more aggressive and draw more fouls but instead he gives us this shit. Him thinking he's maybe too aggressive is laughable. It's like he doesn't get that some of us have been watching basketball for almost 3 of his lifetimes and we know what aggressive basketball looks like. In his mind, his aggressiveness is equal to Embiid's. It's crazy really.
This.
He thinks he's Embiid but often plays like Channing Frye without the consistent 3 point shooting.
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2023 11:03 am
by Mori Chu
SunsSince92 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 10:13 am
He thinks he's Embiid but often plays like Channing Frye without the consistent 3 point shooting.
When I think about Ayton I am reminded of the days of Boris Diaw. We just wanted him to go up strong, to dunk, to draw contact. But he'd do that BS where he'd drive to the basket, have an open layup, and just pass it out. That was just what he was. Ayton's game isn't like Diaw's in general, but that lack of aggression, the desire to avoid contact, they both have that. Boris never did change; that was just who he was. I don't think Ayton will ever be a guy who seeks out contact and draws a bunch of fouls. He just doesn't want to do that.
You can still be a very good NBA player without plowing into defenders and drawing contact, but it would rely on him playing great defense and surgical offense. His defense is solid but has regressed a tad from last year. And his offense is often confused, often misreads where the defenders are, how open he is, etc. And he's got those stone hands where he drops the ball way too many times.
I think if I could change just one thing about Ayton, it'd be those hands. Keep your darn hands up, look for the pass, and catch it. Stop bobbling the ball, stop letting passes bounce off you. He gets a few turnovers every game that way. It always makes me groan every time it happens.
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2023 11:28 am
by SunsSince92
Mori Chu wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 11:03 am
SunsSince92 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 10:13 am
He thinks he's Embiid but often plays like Channing Frye without the consistent 3 point shooting.
When I think about Ayton I am reminded of the days of Boris Diaw. We just wanted him to go up strong, to dunk, to draw contact. But he'd do that BS where he'd drive to the basket, have an open layup, and just pass it out. That was just what he was. Ayton's game isn't like Diaw's in general, but that lack of aggression, the desire to avoid contact, they both have that. Boris never did change; that was just who he was. I don't think Ayton will ever be a guy who seeks out contact and draws a bunch of fouls. He just doesn't want to do that.
You can still be a very good NBA player without plowing into defenders and drawing contact, but it would rely on him playing great defense and surgical offense. His defense is solid but has regressed a tad from last year. And his offense is often confused, often misreads where the defenders are, how open he is, etc. And he's got those stone hands where he drops the ball way too many times.
I think if I could change just one thing about Ayton, it'd be those hands. Keep your darn hands up, look for the pass, and catch it. Stop bobbling the ball, stop letting passes bounce off you. He gets a few turnovers every game that way. It always makes me groan every time it happens.
Spot on! I couldn't agree more. He's more of a finesse 5 that plays good but not great D (this year).
As you say the hands are infuriating but what really irks me is his lack of competitive fire. He just seems to go through the motions, makes the odd pose when he tips a ball in (when he should be doing it after posterizing defenders) and generally seems as though he couldn't care less.
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2023 5:50 am
by bajanguy008
Haven't really been following this thread but
Hold on.....
"By Island standards ?!?"
What's going on here
Smh lol
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2023 7:36 am
by TOO
People often stereotype islanders as carefree and chill folk. Which falls much more inline with how Ayton acts/plays.
But hey man, you're tough too.
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:35 am
by In2ition
Yeah, I didn't get that either.
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2023 12:39 am
by JeremyG
From the 1:55 mark in the 1st quarter to 7:03 left in the 2nd quarter tonight, Deandre Ayton was literally our only scorer, scoring 10 straight points to single-handedly keep us afloat. That’s 7 freaking minutes, for those who aren’t adding it up.
From 1:55 left in the 1st to 5:14 left in the 2nd, the Suns’ offense consisted of:
Ayton: 12 points
Durant: 2 points
Everyone else: 0 points
That’s 9 straight minutes of keeping our season alive.
You will hear virtually nothing of this by anyone in the fanbase or in the media or on any of the shows.
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2023 3:14 am
by Flagrant Fowl
The Clippers were giving him wide open 15-foot shots and KD drew defenders away from him so he could get layups during that stretch.
Go easy on the hyperbole. It's not like he was out there Dream shaking guys to keep the Suns from being eliminated.
He had a great game in his role, and I was glad to see him actually battle Zubac in the paint.
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2023 8:34 am
by TOO
Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 3:14 am
The Clippers were giving him wide open 15-foot shots and KD drew defenders away from him so he could get layups during that stretch.
Go easy on the hyperbole. It's not like he was out there Dream shaking guys to keep the Suns from being eliminated.
He had a great game in his role, and I was glad to see him actually battle Zubac in the paint.
Suns won, I'm gonna let JG live in his happy bubble this time lol.
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:36 pm
by JeremyG
Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 3:14 am
The Clippers were giving him wide open 15-foot shots and KD drew defenders away from him so he could get layups during that stretch.
Go easy on the hyperbole. It's not like he was out there Dream shaking guys to keep the Suns from being eliminated.
He had a great game in his role, and I was glad to see him actually battle Zubac in the paint.
And if he had missed his shots like all his teammates did during that stretch, we would have been down 25 and on our way to elimination in the first round.
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2023 2:37 am
by Flagrant Fowl
And if he missed those shots, like he did in Game 1, it would've somehow been Monty's fault.
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:55 am
by JeremyG
Never said that. I said the blame for the loss was mostly on Monty. And Ayton scored on 3 out of the 5 possessions in which he shot in the 4th in game 1.
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:44 am
by England Sun
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:58 am
by Superbone
Don't you dare beat that horse!
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:34 pm
by Kryptonic
Superbone wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:58 am
Don't you dare beat that horse!
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2023 2:08 pm
by ShadowHawke
Not dead yet.
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2023 3:27 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
That horse isn't dead, it has blinders.
