Going after Conley or Jrue are kind of obvious, but matching salaries and giving up an asset like Zion complicates things.
Zion, TJx2 for Bradley Beal, WAS 2019 lottery pick and a future protected 1st?
Zion and TJ Warren for Montrezl Harrell, SGA and LAC 2019 1st round pick?
Zion, Tyler Johnson for Aaron Gordon and some kind of future pick swap in the Suns favor?
Just a few ideas..
Ya I’m not doing any of those...give me Zion
None of those are close for me.
Not even close
Yeah, I think Zion's value around the league is higher than all of this. I think you need to aim really high with that #1 pick. It's got to be someone like AD coming back in the trade. I love Zion, but I think Morant could be everything for us. If we got the #1 pick and there was an opportunity to trade for #2 and pick up something really good, I might not necessarily be opposed.
Would you trade #1 for #2 and Mitchell Robinson? Then trade #2 for for a lower pick and something else?
Or #1 for John Collins and both of Atl's picks, wherever they land?
"When we all think alike, nobody is thinking" - Walter Lippmann "Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them." ~ Frederick Douglass
I have already pre-lowered my expectations to assume that all of the following will happen:
* our pick will be #4 or later
* we'll trade the pick for a mediocre PG or PF
* we'll hire some coaching newbie who doesn't know what he's doing, and we'll pay him $750k/yr
* we'll resign our guys to stupidly large contracts and blow our cap space without getting better
You "lowered" your expectations by preparing for the most likely outcome.
* Odds of being >=4 is 59.8%
* Jones said that focusing on the draft is not where we need to be and we will be happy to trade young assets for 25-30 year old players
* We have only hear the names of inexperienced head coaches
* This is what we do typically, and Oubre seems to be coming back, so we will (as usual) outbid ourselves.
Yeah, I won't be surprised if all of that happens because it seems to have the highest probability of happening.
I would not be excited about a Rozier signing or trade for an equally talented PF(I don't think Rozier is all that good, and an equally talented PF would be a disappointment too if that's the case).
Ya I won’t be excited if Rozier is our pg.. He has fared much better as a starter than as a reserve, but I’d prefer to look elsewhere. I’m not against just signing Collison to a 1 year deal and then continue looking. Gives okobo and Melton another year of development time to see if they will pan out as well.
To be clear, I am not advocating for it. I think that will be a huge mistake on both cases. But I just pray that someday Sarver can do the "Bluth" thing and realize he made a huge mistake... then hopefully, unlike a Bluth, he won't immediately do it again.
I have already pre-lowered my expectations to assume that all of the following will happen:
* our pick will be #4 or later
* we'll trade the pick for a mediocre PG or PF
* we'll hire some coaching newbie who doesn't know what he's doing, and we'll pay him $750k/yr
* we'll resign our guys to stupidly large contracts and blow our cap space without getting better
I’m probably a sucker, but I’m gonna give this new front office the benefit of the doubt. Obviously we have no control over where we pick, so I have zero expectations there. We might trade the pick, that wouldn’t surprise me either. As for coaching, I actually think we’re gonna get Monty. And I think we’ll get Oubre on a good deal. Somewhere in the 12-15 million a year range.
I’m with you, Split. Everybody knows I’m the eternal optimist. I like what Jones has done so far in clearing out the veteran dead weight and bringing in a few useful and younger (other than Crawford) pieces. Hoping for the best.
I have already pre-lowered my expectations to assume that all of the following will happen:
* our pick will be #4 or later
* we'll trade the pick for a mediocre PG or PF
* we'll hire some coaching newbie who doesn't know what he's doing, and we'll pay him $750k/yr
* we'll resign our guys to stupidly large contracts and blow our cap space without getting better
You "lowered" your expectations by preparing for the most likely outcome.
* Odds of being >=4 is 59.8%
* Jones said that focusing on the draft is not where we need to be and we will be happy to trade young assets for 25-30 year old players
* We have only hear the names of inexperienced head coaches
* This is what we do typically, and Oubre seems to be coming back, so we will (as usual) outbid ourselves.
Yeah, I won't be surprised if all of that happens because it seems to have the highest probability of happening.
Listening to ringer podcast...they talked a lot about lillard vs Westbrook..compared it to Morant vs Garland with Morant following the Westbrook prototype and Garland the Lillard prototype.
I wouldn’t pick Garland over Morant...but I think there’s an argument for Garland being a better fit in the modern nba. Garland has a ton of questions, but he can shoot really really well. That’s Morant’s biggest offensive weakness.
I don’t see us doing it, but Garland if we don’t land in the top 2 could be a decent option.
As for Morant vs Garland...while I’d take lillard over Westbrook...Morant has shown he’s much closer to Westbrook than Garland is to lillard. Also, by all accounts, Morant does not have the same issues as Westbrook. Like attitude, poor shot selection, difficulty to play with. Westbrook could be a fantastic player if you could get him to play a different way.
I just don't buy the Westbrook comp. Morant seems a lot less physical and a lot more creative with the passing.
The league needs heroes, villains... and clowns. -- Aztec Sunsfan
Listening to ringer podcast...they talked a lot about lillard vs Westbrook..compared it to Morant vs Garland with Morant following the Westbrook prototype and Garland the Lillard prototype.
I wouldn’t pick Garland over Morant...but I think there’s an argument for Garland being a better fit in the modern nba. Garland has a ton of questions, but he can shoot really really well. That’s Morant’s biggest offensive weakness.
I don’t see us doing it, but Garland if we don’t land in the top 2 could be a decent option.
As for Morant vs Garland...while I’d take lillard over Westbrook...Morant has shown he’s much closer to Westbrook than Garland is to lillard. Also, by all accounts, Morant does not have the same issues as Westbrook. Like attitude, poor shot selection, difficulty to play with. Westbrook could be a fantastic player if you could get him to play a different way.
I just don't buy the Westbrook comp. Morant seems a lot less physical and a lot more creative with the passing pass.
Yeah, it's the athleticism he displays without taking into account for the strength that Westbrook has. And you're right, I think Morant is more creative with his passes.
"When we all think alike, nobody is thinking" - Walter Lippmann "Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them." ~ Frederick Douglass
We've heard a couple of times that you can't win with teanagers. So I'm not hopeful that we will get Morant. If the pick is 2 or 3, it seems most likely that we trade it. But if we fall and the pick isn't that valuable, maybe we grab Clarke who is not a teenager and can contribute right away similar to how Bridges was able to step in and contribute from the get-go. That's my only real hope in this draft.
The league needs heroes, villains... and clowns. -- Aztec Sunsfan
Listening to ringer podcast...they talked a lot about lillard vs Westbrook..compared it to Morant vs Garland with Morant following the Westbrook prototype and Garland the Lillard prototype.
I wouldn’t pick Garland over Morant...but I think there’s an argument for Garland being a better fit in the modern nba. Garland has a ton of questions, but he can shoot really really well. That’s Morant’s biggest offensive weakness.
I don’t see us doing it, but Garland if we don’t land in the top 2 could be a decent option.
As for Morant vs Garland...while I’d take lillard over Westbrook...Morant has shown he’s much closer to Westbrook than Garland is to lillard. Also, by all accounts, Morant does not have the same issues as Westbrook. Like attitude, poor shot selection, difficulty to play with. Westbrook could be a fantastic player if you could get him to play a different way.
I just don't buy the Westbrook comp. Morant seems a lot less physical and a lot more creative with the passing.
I think it’s more about style. Morant is a downhill, attack the rim pg with great athleticism and a shaky jumper...all are true about Westbrook as well. Lillard is a shooter..can hit from anywhere inside 40 feet.
There’s obviously more to all of their games...but it’s the broad grouping into shooters and drivers. Morant/Westbrook are drivers...Garland/Lillard are shooters
Ok, I have a bit of a mea culpa on Morant. Before, I thought that Tyler Johnson would start ahead of him if he was picked, but I take that back. I took a lot more time watching his game recently. He will immediately be a starter and do really well. I underestimated his PnR and passing capabilities. They are fantastic. He will be a star in this league.
"When we all think alike, nobody is thinking" - Walter Lippmann "Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them." ~ Frederick Douglass
I could easily be convinced to trade away the #1 pick if I could get back Ja, Clarke and another high level asset.
"When we all think alike, nobody is thinking" - Walter Lippmann "Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them." ~ Frederick Douglass
Ok, I have a bit of a mea culpa on Morant. Before, I thought that Tyler Johnson would start ahead of him if he was picked, but I take that back. I took a lot more time watching his game recently. He will immediately be a starter and do really well. I underestimated his PnR and passing capabilities. They are fantastic. He will be a star in this league.
if he starts, he will be playing mostly off ball to booker.
Ok, I have a bit of a mea culpa on Morant. Before, I thought that Tyler Johnson would start ahead of him if he was picked, but I take that back. I took a lot more time watching his game recently. He will immediately be a starter and do really well. I underestimated his PnR and passing capabilities. They are fantastic. He will be a star in this league.
if he starts, he will be playing mostly off ball to booker.
Ok, I have a bit of a mea culpa on Morant. Before, I thought that Tyler Johnson would start ahead of him if he was picked, but I take that back. I took a lot more time watching his game recently. He will immediately be a starter and do really well. I underestimated his PnR and passing capabilities. They are fantastic. He will be a star in this league.
if he starts, he will be playing mostly off ball to booker.
What?!? Why would you say that?
"When we all think alike, nobody is thinking" - Walter Lippmann "Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them." ~ Frederick Douglass
Ok, I have a bit of a mea culpa on Morant. Before, I thought that Tyler Johnson would start ahead of him if he was picked, but I take that back. I took a lot more time watching his game recently. He will immediately be a starter and do really well. I underestimated his PnR and passing capabilities. They are fantastic. He will be a star in this league.
if he starts, he will be playing mostly off ball to booker.
No.
no, because he wont be starting, unless tj is out or until suns start tanking again midseason.
This was good and talks about the type of offense and decision making Ja does. It makes it easy to see how well he will translate immediately into the NBA and why you want the ball in his hands and help Booker as he's off ball.
"When we all think alike, nobody is thinking" - Walter Lippmann "Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them." ~ Frederick Douglass
Ok, I have a bit of a mea culpa on Morant. Before, I thought that Tyler Johnson would start ahead of him if he was picked, but I take that back. I took a lot more time watching his game recently. He will immediately be a starter and do really well. I underestimated his PnR and passing capabilities. They are fantastic. He will be a star in this league.
if he starts, he will be playing mostly off ball to booker.
What?!? Why would you say that?
he will need to earn bookers trust first and it is hard for me to see him being given carte blanche to control the offense on his rookie year while the team is striving to make the playoffs next season.
