Game Day: Kings (11-11) @ Suns (4-19), Tues 12/4/18
Re: Game Day: Kings (11-11) @ Suns (4-19), Tues 12/4/18
At this point I think Ayton needs to at least be able to move himself from the high post to the low post before I’d run the offense through him. Our perimeter players haven’t shown the ability to feed him very well in the post.
Re: Game Day: Kings (11-11) @ Suns (4-19), Tues 12/4/18
Not from what I've seen. Unless he's right at the basket, he doesn't make a move and passes back out.
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Re: Game Day: Kings (11-11) @ Suns (4-19), Tues 12/4/18
I don't know why we are pointing fingers at Ayton so much. He isn't dominating games, but I don't know if that's ever going to be his style. And I don't think force-feeding him the ball 30 times a game will fix our woes. For one, we don't have anybody on the team other than maybe Josh Jackson who can throw an entry pass. So when they try to throw Ayton the ball, it's just stolen and we get a turnover. Secondly, even if he catches the ball, Ayton isn't really a bull-in-a-china-shop center who will go at his man and score every time. If you want to just give a guy the ball and clear out for him to find a way to score, we should be passing it to TJ Warren and Devin Booker instead. I think it's fine for Ayton to be an opportunistic scorer who is efficient and plays within himself. If you wanted Shaq, you drafted the wrong guy.
Re: Game Day: Kings (11-11) @ Suns (4-19), Tues 12/4/18
I think we're mainly talking about with Warren and Booker out, and needing someone to provide offense.Marty [Mori Chu] wrote: ↑Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:22 pmI don't know why we are pointing fingers at Ayton so much. He isn't dominating games, but I don't know if that's ever going to be his style. And I don't think force-feeding him the ball 30 times a game will fix our woes. For one, we don't have anybody on the team other than maybe Josh Jackson who can throw an entry pass. So when they try to throw Ayton the ball, it's just stolen and we get a turnover. Secondly, even if he catches the ball, Ayton isn't really a bull-in-a-china-shop center who will go at his man and score every time. If you want to just give a guy the ball and clear out for him to find a way to score, we should be passing it to TJ Warren and Devin Booker instead. I think it's fine for Ayton to be an opportunistic scorer who is efficient and plays within himself. If you wanted Shaq, you drafted the wrong guy.
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Re: Game Day: Kings (11-11) @ Suns (4-19), Tues 12/4/18
Teams know Warren and Booker are out. They expect us to throw the ball into Ayton in the post. As In2ition said they turned the ball over trying force feed Ayton early. They have to be careful with that.
Re: Game Day: Kings (11-11) @ Suns (4-19), Tues 12/4/18
Enjoy what that gets you.Marty [Mori Chu] wrote: ↑Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:22 pmI think it's fine for Ayton to be an opportunistic scorer who is efficient and plays within himself.
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Re: Game Day: Kings (11-11) @ Suns (4-19), Tues 12/4/18
Sounds like Clint Capela without the defense.INFORMER wrote: ↑Thu Dec 06, 2018 11:15 pmEnjoy what that gets you.Marty [Mori Chu] wrote: ↑Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:22 pmI think it's fine for Ayton to be an opportunistic scorer who is efficient and plays within himself.
Re: Game Day: Kings (11-11) @ Suns (4-19), Tues 12/4/18
16 and 10 from a rookie big man who's still learning and improving? I'll take it.INFORMER wrote: ↑Thu Dec 06, 2018 11:15 pmEnjoy what that gets you.Marty [Mori Chu] wrote: ↑Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:22 pmI think it's fine for Ayton to be an opportunistic scorer who is efficient and plays within himself.
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Re: Game Day: Kings (11-11) @ Suns (4-19), Tues 12/4/18
I was team Ayton but the way he is getting his 16-10 is clearly not enough. The problem is how are the Suns going to try to develop him given the total mess they have created at all levels. Who is going to get through his mental lapses and lack of agression? Igor? I doubt it. I am afraid this bunch is proving to need an experienced sargeant, not a 'player's coach'. But it always comes down to the same issue. The roster is just terrible and no coach is going to do anything with these players. When you look at the roster, all you see is three real NBA players, a couple of prospects and nothing else. The 2018 NBA eats that for breakfast, other than ATL and maybe CHI, CLE and NYK.Marty [Mori Chu] wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:30 am16 and 10 from a rookie big man who's still learning and improving? I'll take it.INFORMER wrote: ↑Thu Dec 06, 2018 11:15 pmEnjoy what that gets you.Marty [Mori Chu] wrote: ↑Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:22 pmI think it's fine for Ayton to be an opportunistic scorer who is efficient and plays within himself.
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Re: Game Day: Kings (11-11) @ Suns (4-19), Tues 12/4/18
The "S"-hole owners' club: Stepien, Sterling, Sarver ...
Window is open again ... blue skies ahead?
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Sdolan.LazarusLong wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:55 amThe "S"-hole owners' club: Stepien, Sterling, Sarver ...
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How did you leave Shinn off that list?LazarusLong wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:55 amThe "S"-hole owners' club: Stepien, Sterling, Sarver ...
Re: Game Day: Kings (11-11) @ Suns (4-19), Tues 12/4/18
Ouch. This thread was a tough read. So many things... but I will say that I love listening to EJ. He doesn't white-wash everything.
Re: Game Day: Kings (11-11) @ Suns (4-19), Tues 12/4/18
THIS!Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:38 amI was team Ayton but the way he is getting his 16-10 is clearly not enough. The problem is how are the Suns going to try to develop him given the total mess they have created at all levels. Who is going to get through his mental lapses and lack of agression? Igor? I doubt it. I am afraid this bunch is proving to need an experienced sargeant, not a 'player's coach'. But it always comes down to the same issue. The roster is just terrible and no coach is going to do anything with these players. When you look at the roster, all you see is three real NBA players, a couple of prospects and nothing else. The 2018 NBA eats that for breakfast, other than ATL and maybe CHI, CLE and NYK.Marty [Mori Chu] wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:30 am16 and 10 from a rookie big man who's still learning and improving? I'll take it.INFORMER wrote: ↑Thu Dec 06, 2018 11:15 pmEnjoy what that gets you.Marty [Mori Chu] wrote: ↑Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:22 pmI think it's fine for Ayton to be an opportunistic scorer who is efficient and plays within himself.
Re: Game Day: Kings (11-11) @ Suns (4-19), Tues 12/4/18
I think Ayton has looked great during the win streak. Early foul trouble is still an issue, but he has done well in 4th quarters lately which means his conditioning has improved. He's putting up better points per possession than any rookie in history except for Anthony Davis. Which... that is good company.
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Re: Game Day: Kings (11-11) @ Suns (4-19), Tues 12/4/18
And there is still time for him to improve on those numbers. Unfortunately, the Suns still don't have a decent to average starting pg. If he did, the pg would put him into great positions to score more with ease. Don't get me wrong, I do like Melton and the defense that he brings, but he's still learning the position.carey wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:40 amI think Ayton has looked great during the win streak. Early foul trouble is still an issue, but he has done well in 4th quarters lately which means his conditioning has improved. He's putting up better points per possession than any rookie in history except for Anthony Davis. Which... that is good company.
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Re: Game Day: Kings (11-11) @ Suns (4-19), Tues 12/4/18
If he had a real point guard, he would likely surpass Doncic as the top rookie scorer by the end of the season, and could have a 20/10 rookie year.
"I'm a Deandre Ayton guy."--Al McCoy, September 21, 2022.