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Re: Suns News: Weeks 11 & 12 - 12/24-1/6

Post by The Bobster » Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:56 pm

So, here's my question - does anyone here really think Booker is an All-Star?

To me, I think he's clearly behind Curry, Lillard, Harden and Westbrook, and probably behind Holiday, Conley, Fox, (a healthy) Paul and DeRozan.

So I see him as somewhere between 7th and 10th best guard in the WC. Any thoughts?
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Re: Suns News: Weeks 11 & 12 - 12/24-1/6

Post by carey » Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:39 pm

Yes. Have you seen his numbers since he's come back healthy? They are elite. 29.3 points 8 assists and 4.4 rebounds.
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Re: Suns News: Weeks 11 & 12 - 12/24-1/6

Post by ShelC » Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:49 pm

I don't really care about All-Star teams or votes but I would put Booker just behind that first group or on the cusp and ahead of the 2nd group.

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Re: Suns News: Weeks 11 & 12 - 12/24-1/6

Post by Split T » Thu Jan 03, 2019 7:23 pm

The truth is no one is getting into the all star game on a 9-29 team. If you switched booker and fox and booker had Sacramento on the edge of the playoffs, he’d be a no brainer all star selection with his numbers.

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Re: Suns News: Weeks 11 & 12 - 12/24-1/6

Post by Marty [Mori Chu] » Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:36 pm

The Bobster wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:56 pm
So, here's my question - does anyone here really think Booker is an All-Star?

To me, I think he's clearly behind Curry, Lillard, Harden and Westbrook, and probably behind Holiday, Conley, Fox, (a healthy) Paul and DeRozan.

So I see him as somewhere between 7th and 10th best guard in the WC. Any thoughts?
I think Booker is better than most of that latter group: Holiday, Conley, Fox, Paul and DeRozan. But as others have said, our team record is really bad and that will be used against him. Once we start winning, he'll make the All-Star team right away, even if his individual numbers are no better.

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Re: Suns News: Weeks 11 & 12 - 12/24-1/6

Post by Sad Suns Fan » Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:36 am

I think Booker is probably ahead of the latter group as well.
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Re: Suns News: Weeks 11 & 12 - 12/24-1/6

Post by Cap » Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:30 pm

Old school time. Back when we were discussing these things on Usenet, I used to refer to Doug Steele’s Cumulative Tendex scores. Well, Doug’s still around and doing his thing, and this is how CT picks the All-Stars.

East starters: Antetokounmpo, Griffin, Embiid, Simmons, Wall
East reserves: Leonard, LaVine, Vucevic, Irving, Walker, Drummond, Lowry

West starters: James, Durant, Davis, Harden, Westbrook
West reserves: George, Randle, Jokic, Curry, Holiday, Towns, Booker

Honorable mention*: Capela, Gobert, Ayton, Jordan, Doncic, DeRozan, Beal, Lillard, Fox

* CT of at least 25.00 and top ten at position.

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Re: Suns News: Weeks 11 & 12 - 12/24-1/6

Post by Split T » Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:52 pm

Not bad, I’d replace wall, LaVine, and Drummond with Beal, Oladipo, and Butler? Maybe Middleton.

For the west, no chance pelicans get 3. I’d take out randle and replace with either Harris or Gallinari. Lillard replaces Booker most likely, although he could replace holiday or Westbrook too. Westbrook is averaging a triple double again, but his shooting numbers look very similar to josh Jackson. His defense is up this year, but he really needs to stop shooting.

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Re: Suns News: Weeks 11 & 12 - 12/24-1/6

Post by Cap » Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:41 pm

Here’s how WS does it:

East starters: Antetokounmpo, Leonard, Embiid, Irving, Simmons
East reserves: Siakam, Griffin, Vucevic, Walker, Bledsoe (!), Sabonis, Allen

West starters: George, Durant, Davis, Harden, Lillard
West reserves: James, Gallinari, Gobert, Curry, DeRozan, Capela, Adams

Honorable mention (top 24 in WS but excluded because we already have four Western Conference centers): Jokic, Harrell, Towns, Ayton, Jordan

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1            Anthony Davis NOP 6.7   34   34 1267  353  698  319  593   34  105  236  294  114  340  454  151   58   90   71   86  976 .506 .538 .324 .530 .803 .590
2              Rudy Gobert UTA 6.3   38   38 1180  217  329  217  329    0    0  138  216  138  333  471   73   34   76   56  104  572 .660      .660 .660 .639 .674
3    Giannis Antetokounmpo MIL 6.2   34   34 1146  335  572  323  493   12   79  212  305   83  346  429  207   45   54  145  116  894 .586 .655 .152 .596 .695 .633
4             James Harden HOU 6.1   34   34 1261  331  752  169  336  162  416  318  374   26  175  201  291   70   19  189  116 1142 .440 .503 .389 .548 .850 .623
5              Paul George OKC 5.9   36   36 1271  332  734  213  419  119  315  179  215   56  235  291  146   82   22   99  106  962 .452 .508 .378 .533 .833 .580
6             Kevin Durant GSW 5.8   39   39 1399  383  760  313  568   70  192  274  300   19  274  293  237   32   39  133   74 1110 .504 .551 .365 .550 .913 .622
7             Clint Capela HOU 5.6   37   37 1264  278  437  278  437    0    0   85  142  186  285  471   52   22   71   60  104  641 .636      .636 .636 .599 .642
8           Damian Lillard POR 5.5   38   38 1347  335  741  218  444  117  297  229  256   30  151  181  219   35   19  104   69 1016 .452 .491 .394 .531 .895 .595
9             Steven Adams OKC 5.2   36   36 1217  235  396  235  395    0    1   91  170  177  189  366   62   50   29   54   88  561 .593 .595 .000 .593 .535 .596
10            Nikola Jokic DEN 5.1   36   36 1120  244  491  205  368   39  123  129  154   94  265  359  273   52   26  117  104  656 .497 .557 .317 .537 .838 .587
11             Joel Embiid PHI 5.0   37   37 1255  330  680  288  538   42  142  295  368   89  413  502  129   21   70  128  125  997 .485 .535 .296 .516 .802 .592
12            LeBron James LAL 5.0   34   34 1178  340  656  272  465   68  191  180  264   32  251  283  243   44   24  116   54  928 .518 .585 .356 .570 .682 .601
13           Kawhi Leonard TOR 5.0   31   31 1077  294  589  242  443   52  146  200  235   39  209  248   90   51   16   64   48  840 .499 .546 .356 .543 .851 .607
14            Kyrie Irving BOS 4.9   34   34 1099  298  611  207  388   91  223   99  116   43  125  168  225   55   15   88   79  786 .488 .534 .408 .562 .853 .594
15        Danilo Gallinari LAC 4.5   36   36 1132  212  464  126  277   86  187  196  213   35  190  225   85   24   11   48   75  706 .457 .455 .460 .550 .920 .633
16          Nikola Vucevic ORL 4.5   36   36 1115  304  571  263  464   41  107   82  105   93  333  426  131   37   42   73   72  731 .532 .567 .383 .568 .781 .592
17           Pascal Siakam TOR 4.4   39   38 1191  225  391  197  310   28   81   97  122   56  199  255  109   39   26   68  116  575 .575 .635 .346 .611 .795 .647
18             Ben Simmons PHI 4.3   38   38 1262  246  427  246  427    0    0  127  216   79  266  345  299   50   30  129  101  619 .576      .576 .576 .588 .593
19           Stephen Curry GSW 4.2   28   28  972  270  553  132  244  138  309  132  145   18  125  143  149   37   10   86   73  810 .488 .541 .447 .613 .910 .657
20        Montrezl Harrell LAC 4.2   37    0  931  227  357  226  354    1    3  125  205   90  156  246   59   34   53   50  104  580 .636 .638 .333 .637 .610 .648
21      Karl-Anthony Towns MIN 4.2   38   38 1285  300  611  233  439   67  172  164  197  125  336  461  116   33   72  117  142  831 .491 .531 .390 .546 .832 .596
22           Deandre Ayton PHO 4.1   39   38 1224  293  483  293  481    0    2   77  100  128  297  425   85   30   35   70  111  663 .607 .609 .000 .607 .770 .629
23        Domantas Sabonis IND 4.1   35    1  866  203  323  198  317    5    6  101  136   91  243  334   99   22   20   88  113  512 .628 .625 .833 .636 .743 .669
24          DeAndre Jordan DAL 4.0   37   37 1154  151  237  151  237    0    0  105  149  114  409  523   77   25   38   86   92  407 .637      .637 .637 .705 .673
25            Kemba Walker CHO 4.0   37   37 1276  324  734  202  399  122  335  171  208   16  142  158  223   48   18   89   61  941 .441 .506 .364 .525 .822 .570
26            Eric Bledsoe MIL 3.9   36   36 1070  212  427  158  264   54  163   78  104   37  120  157  200   46   15   77   82  556 .496 .598 .331 .560 .750 .588
27           DeMar DeRozan SAS 3.9   39   39 1369  338  709  331  669    7   40  207  246   28  209  237  250   40   18   93   85  890 .477 .495 .175 .482 .841 .545
28            Jerami Grant OKC 3.8   37   34 1153  176  335  136  223   40  112   68  101   35  145  180   33   32   46   32   92  460 .525 .610 .357 .585 .673 .606
29            Jusuf Nurkic POR 3.7   38   38 1030  208  422  205  399    3   23  140  186  136  262  398  113   43   51   89  123  559 .493 .514 .130 .496 .753 .555
30       LaMarcus Aldridge SAS 3.6   39   39 1264  312  622  310  608    2   14  151  182  114  231  345   90   21   44   71   80  777 .502 .510 .143 .503 .830 .553
31          Derrick Favors UTA 3.6   37   32  854  166  276  155  238   11   38   71  114  108  155  263   39   27   46   44   88  414 .601 .651 .289 .621 .623 .635
32           Jarrett Allen BRK 3.5   37   37  990  162  280  158  256    4   24  100  137   98  206  304   56   20   52   50   90  428 .579 .617 .167 .586 .730 .629
33            Jimmy Butler TOT 3.5   31   31 1026  209  449  166  337   43  112  130  154   51   99  150  111   63   21   45   56  591 .465 .493 .384 .513 .844 .572
34           Blake Griffin DET 3.5   35   35 1252  293  628  212  405   81  223  202  273   47  256  303  181   25   17  133  100  869 .467 .523 .363 .531 .740 .581
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Re: Suns News: Weeks 11 & 12 - 12/24-1/6

Post by Superbone » Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:19 pm

Suns’ frustrations bubble to surface in fifth consecutive loss

Devin​ Booker drew​ a third-quarter​ technical​ for​ slapping​ the ball out of bounds,​ upset​ that​ his​ tough​ finish through​ contact​ did not​​ also result in a foul.

That whistle came after teammate Kelly Oubre picked up a technical for comments directed at the official while walking back to the bench. And after Deandre Ayton slammed his hands against a bench chair after being subbed out just before halftime.

The Suns dropped their fifth consecutive game Friday night, a 121-111 loss to the Clippers at Talking Stick Resort Arena. The defeat followed what has become the theme of this homestand: Tumbling into a significant first-half deficit, then staging a furious rally attempt that falls short in the final period.

This time, though, the 9-31 Suns’ festering frustrations visibly bubbled to the surface during and after their latest rough outing of a forgettable first half of the season.

“This is the same old problem that we’re still looking for the solution for,” said franchise guard Devin Booker, who finished with 23 points and four assists. “ … There’s still over half the season left, and it will be a very long season if we keep coming out and playing like this.
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Re: Suns News: Weeks 11 & 12 - 12/24-1/6

Post by Sad Suns Fan » Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:24 pm

It's already been a long season Devin.
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Re: Suns News: Weeks 11 & 12 - 12/24-1/6

Post by Superbone » Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:43 pm

The Suns are currently on schedule to finish worse than last year with 18 wins but I do think it's a better team and they'll surpass last year's 21 victories. But maybe not by much due to their lousy start. We'll get some wins over the other mediocre teams once we sprinkle them in again.
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Re: Suns News: Weeks 11 & 12 - 12/24-1/6

Post by ShelC » Sat Jan 05, 2019 4:18 pm

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1081682678800437249

Big fan of Acy. Solid hustle and energy guy, good rebounder. Similar to Holmes, a little less athletic.

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Re: Suns News: Weeks 11 & 12 - 12/24-1/6

Post by specialsauce » Sat Jan 05, 2019 4:36 pm

Whoop de f*** doo.

Wake me up when we trade for a PG.

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Re: Suns News: Weeks 11 & 12 - 12/24-1/6

Post by Cap » Sat Jan 05, 2019 4:40 pm

They’re doing 10-days already? Season is going by faster than I thought.
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Re: Suns News: Weeks 11 & 12 - 12/24-1/6

Post by The Bobster » Sat Jan 05, 2019 10:00 pm

specialsauce wrote:
Sat Jan 05, 2019 4:36 pm
Whoop de f*** doo.

Wake me up when we trade for a PG.
And a PF.
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Re: Suns News: Weeks 11 & 12 - 12/24-1/6

Post by Danimal » Sat Jan 05, 2019 10:30 pm

ShelC wrote:
Sat Jan 05, 2019 4:18 pm

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1081682678800437249

Big fan of Acy. Solid hustle and energy guy, good rebounder. Similar to Holmes, a little less athletic.
Agreed. Whilst we still need a pg, Acey is someone we can throw in there if our energy dips. Always hustles on D. A good role model signing like the Crawford one.

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Re: Suns News: Weeks 11 & 12 - 12/24-1/6

Post by carey » Sun Jan 06, 2019 12:56 am

Acy was not great last year, but it doesn't matter. I don't think he'll be playing much. Just... if we're playing a guy that can't shoot then we should be playing Bender.
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Re: Suns News: Weeks 11 & 12 - 12/24-1/6

Post by Sad Suns Fan » Sun Jan 06, 2019 2:04 am

I think Quincy Acy sucks. That is all.
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Re: Suns News: Weeks 11 & 12 - 12/24-1/6

Post by ShelC » Sun Jan 06, 2019 5:37 am

This kind of explains the move. Can't say I disagree, just a matter of how much Acy can impact things tho I'm not expecting much:

https://twitter.com/DuaneRankin/status/1081627604841611264


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