Suns News: Week 13 1/7-1/13

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Re: Suns News: Week 13 1/7-1/13

Post by INFORMER » Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:10 pm

I don't think Oubre brings enough to the team to warrant investing in another small forward when there are such glaring issues at other spots on the roster.
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Re: Suns News: Week 13 1/7-1/13

Post by AmareIsGod » Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:31 pm

INFORMER wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:32 am
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Blazers supposedly have interest in Lin. That's a guy I would make a play for.
There are probably eight free agent point guards I would take over Lin.
Quick. Name em.
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Re: Suns News: Week 13 1/7-1/13

Post by INFORMER » Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:40 pm

TJ McConnell, Tyus Jones, Terry Rozier, Cory Joseph, Darren Collison, Delon Wright, Trey Burke, Tomas Satoransky.
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Re: Suns News: Week 13 1/7-1/13

Post by INFORMER » Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:42 pm

That is just off the top of my head. Collison is team option (non-guaranteed to be accurate) and has a domestic violence incident in his background, so he is iffy. Satoransky is more of a wing-point than a traditional point guard, but I would still take him over Lin.
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Re: Suns News: Week 13 1/7-1/13

Post by In2ition » Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:41 pm

INFORMER wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:29 am
In2ition wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:08 am
Superbone wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:18 am
INFORMER wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:15 pm
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Ugh. Strike one, Jimmy. Strike one.
Would you care to elaborate?
Yeah, I'm curious to learn why you think this is strike one.
I don't want to resign Oubre.
I'm not sure that I want Oubre back either, but that doesn't make it strike one. The only way that this hurts anything is if he is negotiating with against himself and inflates his value. With the matching rights, you could still address pg and pf before addressing Oubre.
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Re: Suns News: Week 13 1/7-1/13

Post by JeremyG » Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:46 pm

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I just talked to James Jones back stage. “We need point guard and a power forward.” They are planning on getting a PG in free agency next year which was what they also said before the season.
And a PF...never?

(Unless they get the number one pick in the draft? Lol.)

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Re: Suns News: Week 13 1/7-1/13

Post by Nodack » Sat Jan 12, 2019 4:27 pm

He didn’t say how they intended to get a PF. I just struck up a conversation with him and asked him how much pressure he felt as a GM? He said he didn’t feel any pressure. He said the pressure is on the players. He must have seen where I was going and said they needed a PG and a PF without me even asking the question. It’s obvious to us and obvious to him too it seems.

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Re: Suns News: Week 13 1/7-1/13

Post by Superbone » Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:10 pm

Nodack wrote:
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He didn’t say how they intended to get a PF. I just struck up a conversation with him and asked him how much pressure he felt as a GM? He said he didn’t feel any pressure. He said the pressure is on the players. He must have seen where I was going and said they needed a PG and a PF without me even asking the question. It’s obvious to us and obvious to him too it seems.
He must get that a lot and wanted to beat you to the punch is my guess.
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Re: Suns News: Week 13 1/7-1/13

Post by carey » Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:42 pm

INFORMER wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:40 pm
TJ McConnell, Tyus Jones, Terry Rozier, Cory Joseph, Darren Collison, Delon Wright, Trey Burke, Tomas Satoransky.
Sure, why?, why?, sure, maybe, sure, ew-why?, maybe.

Why are Tyus Jones stats so poor this year? Nearly identical to Melton with slightly better assists and half a turnover less per game. Defensively Melton is much stronger though his offensive limitations are a net negative on dbpm and vorp.
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Re: Suns News: Week 13 1/7-1/13

Post by Ring_Wanted » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:09 pm

I don't know if it is strike one, but I don't want to spend on Oubre either. Poor resources management with Warren, Bridges and Jackson. Only way I would entertain it is if Jackson is traded, and would still have to be a bargain contract (those 10-13M Riley specials is not that, btw).

Jones needs to be having Oubre and Jackson on the block anyway.

Would love to have Satoransky. Would also try to force MIL's hand for Brogdon in free agency at 00:01.

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Re: Suns News: Week 13 1/7-1/13

Post by ShelC » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:23 pm

if we get a legit 4, where does TJ fit in? Is he the starting SF? Does he become the scorer off the bench? He's expanded his scoring but even at SF he's unlikely to be a better rebounder, passer or defender. He is what he is. If we bring him off the bench and are choosing between Oubre, Bridges, and Jackson to start at SF? It's actually very tough for me to decide right now.

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Re: Suns News: Week 13 1/7-1/13

Post by INFORMER » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:28 pm

carey wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:42 pm
INFORMER wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:40 pm
TJ McConnell, Tyus Jones, Terry Rozier, Cory Joseph, Darren Collison, Delon Wright, Trey Burke, Tomas Satoransky.
Sure, why?, why?, sure, maybe, sure, ew-why?, maybe.

Why are Tyus Jones stats so poor this year? Nearly identical to Melton with slightly better assists and half a turnover less per game. Defensively Melton is much stronger though his offensive limitations are a net negative on dbpm and vorp.
Jones assist to turnover ratio is 6.5:1; that is much more significant than than "slightly better assists and half a turnover less per game." Jones is also superior in opponent field goal percentage, and it isn't even close, so I am not sure why you are saying Melton is much stronger defensive. The red flag on Jones is his poor shooting numbers. I have no idea why they're so poor this season.

And don't forget, that list wasn't about comparing what we currently have; it was about who I would prefer over Jeremy Lin.
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Re: Suns News: Week 13 1/7-1/13

Post by INFORMER » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:30 pm

ShelC wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:23 pm
if we get a legit 4, where does TJ fit in? Is he the starting SF? Does he become the scorer off the bench?
Scorer off the bench. Super sixth man.
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Re: Suns News: Week 13 1/7-1/13

Post by JeremyG » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:46 pm

Nodack wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 4:27 pm
He didn’t say how they intended to get a PF. I just struck up a conversation with him and asked him how much pressure he felt as a GM? He said he didn’t feel any pressure. He said the pressure is on the players. He must have seen where I was going and said they needed a PG and a PF without me even asking the question. It’s obvious to us and obvious to him too it seems.
Oh okay, I was thinking the quote was yourself saying “We need a point guard and a power forward” with him responding to that, haha!

I’m glad he acknowledges both needs. We have to have someone who can rebound at the 4, no matter how good of a rebounder Ayton may turn into.

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Post by carey » Sat Jan 12, 2019 7:18 pm

INFORMER wrote:
carey wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:42 pm
INFORMER wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:40 pm
TJ McConnell, Tyus Jones, Terry Rozier, Cory Joseph, Darren Collison, Delon Wright, Trey Burke, Tomas Satoransky.
Sure, why?, why?, sure, maybe, sure, ew-why?, maybe.

Why are Tyus Jones stats so poor this year? Nearly identical to Melton with slightly better assists and half a turnover less per game. Defensively Melton is much stronger though his offensive limitations are a net negative on dbpm and vorp.
Jones assist to turnover ratio is 6.5:1; that is much more significant than than "slightly better assists and half a turnover less per game." Jones is also superior in opponent field goal percentage, and it isn't even close, so I am not sure why you are saying Melton is much stronger defensive. The red flag on Jones is his poor shooting numbers. I have no idea why they're so poor this season.

And don't forget, that list wasn't about comparing what we currently have; it was about who I would prefer over Jeremy Lin.
I'll have to look into that. I saw Melton's d-rating per 100 was better. Jones is also in his 4th year instead of first but I'm not sure Melton's 'ision & handle will ever be tight enough to have a great assist to turnover ratio.
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Re: Suns News: Week 13 1/7-1/13

Post by Split T » Sat Jan 12, 2019 7:20 pm

Melton’s defensive value is about the disruption he causes. He gets a lot of steals and blocks. He’s also more capable of switching onto 2 guards.
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Re: Suns News: Week 13 1/7-1/13

Post by INFORMER » Sat Jan 12, 2019 7:44 pm

I think there is a future in having Okobo and Melton on the floor together.
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Re: Suns News: Week 13 1/7-1/13

Post by Shabazz » Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:13 am

It's an interesting exercise to compare Mikal's rookie season as a 22-year old to Dragan Bender's 2nd season as a 21 year old. Pretty statistically similar.
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Re: Suns News: Week 13 1/7-1/13

Post by carey » Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:39 am

Shabazz wrote:
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It's an interesting exercise to compare Mikal's rookie season as a 22-year old to Dragan Bender's 2nd season as a 21 year old. Pretty statistically similar.
I still think it's a shame we've shelved Bender completely. I thought with Igor being a euro coach he could have brought something out of him. I guess he's not a fan. And Bender was only 20 all of last season. He just turned 21 in November.
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Re: Suns News: Week 13 1/7-1/13

Post by Flagrant Fowl » Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:42 am

Shabazz wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:13 am
It's an interesting exercise to compare Mikal's rookie season as a 22-year old to Dragan Bender's 2nd season as a 21 year old. Pretty statistically similar.
Then you watch them both and realize one is an NBA player and the other isn’t.
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