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Re: Around the League: Week 20 2/25-3/3
Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:09 am
by Split T
INFORMER wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:05 pm
Why not?
I don’t see how he’s a step up from Igor...Igor has some issues, but I’m willing to give him the chance to figure it out. We haven’t set him up very well to succeed. If we decide to move on, it better be for an upgrade...I haven’t seen anything to lead me to believe Walton is an upgrade.
Re: Around the League: Week 20 2/25-3/3
Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2019 3:50 am
by Mori Chu
Walton seemed pretty great when he was coaching the Warriors. And he had the young Lakers off to a nice start before Lebron showed up. I don't think Walton is the kind of coach that Lebron likes to play for. If Walton gets fired, I would prefer him over Igor if we could make the switch in the offseason.
Re: Around the League: Week 20 2/25-3/3
Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2019 6:02 am
by ShelC
I'd stick with Igor over Walton at this point. If it were this time last year where we had Triano and Walton was available, it'd be different.
Re: Around the League: Week 20 2/25-3/3
Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2019 7:01 am
by Cap
Re: Around the League: Week 20 2/25-3/3
Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2019 8:32 am
by AmareIsGod
Luka was -31 last night. Ouch.
Re: Around the League: Week 20 2/25-3/3
Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2019 8:44 am
by Xylus
AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 8:32 am
Luka was -31 last night. Ouch.
Ayton was -10 at one point in the 1st half and ended +23.
Re: Around the League: Week 20 2/25-3/3
Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:02 am
by Mori Chu
I don't really see the appeal of +/- as a stat. I don't know what it meaningfully measures.
Re: Around the League: Week 20 2/25-3/3
Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:13 am
by AmareIsGod
Marty [Mori Chu] wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:02 am
I don't really see the appeal of +/- as a stat. I don't know what it meaningfully measures.
How much more or less your team scored than the opposition while you were on the court.
Re: Around the League: Week 20 2/25-3/3
Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:20 am
by Split T
It can be very misleading, especially in one game sample sizes. Makes more sense to evaluate lineups and combinations of players I think.
Re: Around the League: Week 20 2/25-3/3
Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:57 am
by JeremyG
AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 8:32 am
Luka was -31 last night. Ouch.
Dallas is the worst team in the league in their last 10 (2-8). Everyone else is 3-7 or better.
Re: Around the League: Week 20 2/25-3/3
Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:50 pm
by Shabazz
JeremyG wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:57 am
AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 8:32 am
Luka was -31 last night. Ouch.
Dallas is the worst team in the league in their last 10 (2-8). Everyone else is 3-7 or better.
Freakin losers.
Re: Around the League: Week 20 2/25-3/3
Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:57 pm
by Hermen
They are doing their best to keep the pick this year. Kinda makes sense, adding Porzingis, the pick and a free agent next year would be a nice boost. They traded away a lot of their picks...
Re: Around the League: Week 20 2/25-3/3
Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2019 3:18 pm
by Superbone
Shabazz wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:50 pm
JeremyG wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:57 am
AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 8:32 am
Luka was -31 last night. Ouch.
Dallas is the worst team in the league in their last 10 (2-8). Everyone else is 3-7 or better.
Freakin losers.
True dat!
Re: Around the League: Week 20 2/25-3/3
Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2019 7:13 pm
by JCSunsfan
Dallas be tanking for Z.
Re: Around the League: Week 20 2/25-3/3
Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:13 pm
by Split T
We give Jackson a rough time, usually deserved, but imagine having Jackson on a max contract...that’s essentially what Wiggins is. They both have a .483 TS% this year.
Re: Around the League: Week 20 2/25-3/3
Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 11:12 am
by Mori Chu
It's a real tragedy how bad Wiggins has turned out. He had all the potential in the world. I think if he had landed in the right organization, like the Spurs or Rockets or someplace, he would have been a star. But he seems broken and damaged now, destined to be an inefficient player who will run out of the league when his athleticism wanes.
Re: Around the League: Week 20 2/25-3/3
Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 11:40 am
by ShelC
He was overrated coming out, but execs love raw 6-8 athletic SFs.
Re: Around the League: Week 20 2/25-3/3
Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:17 pm
by Mori Chu
ShelC wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2019 11:40 am
He was overrated coming out, but execs love raw 6-8 athletic SFs.
There are a lot of lessons if you look back at the last ten years or so of draft classes. The one I try to remind myself about is not to get seduced by athleticism. Guys who can run and leap over their opponents in college probably won't be able to do that in college. There are other lessons like, if a player can't shoot, it's rare that he'll figure it out in the pros; if a big man doesn't rebound or defend in college, he probably won't do that in the pros either; and so on. I also think that specialists are underrated in college / the draft. If a player is an awesome shooter, or a phenomenal rebounder, but is bad at other aspects of the game, people tend to pick the player apart. But to make it in the NBA you really need to have at least one elite skill. Being decent at several things won't make you an NBA star.
Re: Around the League: Week 20 2/25-3/3
Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 3:06 pm
by In2ition
Marty [Mori Chu] wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:17 pm
ShelC wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2019 11:40 am
He was overrated coming out, but execs love raw 6-8 athletic SFs.
There are a lot of lessons if you look back at the last ten years or so of draft classes. The one I try to remind myself about is not to get seduced by athleticism. Guys who can run and leap over their opponents in college probably won't be able to do that in college. There are other lessons like, if a player can't shoot, it's rare that he'll figure it out in the pros; if a big man doesn't rebound or defend in college, he probably won't do that in the pros either; and so on. I also think that specialists are underrated in college / the draft. If a player is an awesome shooter, or a phenomenal rebounder, but is bad at other aspects of the game, people tend to pick the player apart. But to make it in the NBA you really need to have at least one elite skill. Being decent at several things won't make you an NBA star.
I agree with everything here, with the exception that if the player can't shoot in college. If he's drafted by the Spurs, he is usually taught how to shoot and magically becomes a decent shooter.
Re: Around the League: Week 20 2/25-3/3
Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 6:44 pm
by Split T
People figure out shooting sometimes...although it can take 7/8 years as well. It’s one of those areas where it’s almost impossible to predict if they’ll figure out how to shoot.