Game Day: Suns (16-53) @ Rockets (42-26), Fri 3/15/19

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Re: Game Day: Suns (16-53) @ Rockets (42-26), Fri 3/15/19

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Cap wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:32 pm
specialsauce wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:15 pm
Superbone wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:13 am
specialsauce wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:52 am
Superbone wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:16 am

And has a lot of fire and has the guts to hit game winners. Bad time to pick on him, guys. He's just going to continue to get better and you'll be sorry after he's gone. You guys have no vision. But it's tough seeing through those turd colored glasses.
LOL. That was so predictable. Jake Voskuhl hit a game winner once.
Dude. Speaking of predictable. You go after him every single game and it gets old. He's not nearly as bad as you say he is and others have agreed with me if you've been paying attention.
heh. Did you read the article? He’s statistically one of the WORST players in the league. Not bad, one of thethe worst. It’s hard to argue with that.

I’m not worried about a popularity contest. Dude is out there playing with 2 IQ making bad decisions at every turn on both ends of the court with no signs of improvement in decision making, and he makes one three pointer and it’s as if he’s “figuring it out.”

I get it Bone. You’re an eternal optimist. You probably didn’t want to give up on Chriss, Len, Goodwin, Bender. You probably liked Mike James, saw value in most of our trash that we’ve taken way too long to dump. But you can’t sell a turd as a legit prospect. He’s not bad. He’s historically bad.
Worst individual seasons of the past 50 years, by WS:

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                                               Tota                                                                        Per                           Shoo
Rk            Player  Season Age  Tm  Lg   WS  G GS   MP  FG  FGA  2P  2PA  3P 3PA  FT FTA ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV  PF  PTS  FG%  2P%  3P% eFG%  FT%  TS%
1        Fred Hilton 1971-72  24 BUF NBA -2.1    61 22.1 5.1 13.0 5.1         13.0 1.5         2.0 2.6             1.9 2.4 11.6 .389      .389 .389 .738 .417
2    Emmanuel Mudiay 2015-16  19 DEN NBA -2.1 68 66 30.4 4.8 13.3 3.8  9.9 1.1 3.4 2.1 3.1 0.5 2.9 3.4 5.5 1.0 0.5 3.2 2.1 12.8 .364 .379 .319 .404 .670 .437
3        Jim Jackson 1992-93  22 DAL NBA -1.6 28 28 33.5 6.6 16.6 5.8 14.0 0.8 2.6 2.4 3.3 1.5 2.9 4.4 4.7 1.4 0.4 4.1 2.9 16.3 .395 .415 .288 .417 .739 .451
4     Kenny McIntosh 1972-73  24 TOT NBA -1.6    59 19.3 1.9  5.8 1.9          5.8 0.7         1.1 3.9             0.9 1.7  4.6 .337      .337 .337 .597 .364
5     Sharone Wright 1996-97  24 TOR NBA -1.6 60 28 16.8 2.7  6.7 2.7  6.7 0.0 0.0 1.1 2.2 1.3 1.8 3.1 0.5 0.3 0.8 1.6 2.4  6.5 .400 .400 .000 .400 .511 .423
6    M****** B****** 2012-13  24 PHO NBA -1.5 75 20 20.7 4.1 10.2 3.5  8.3 0.6 1.9 1.3 1.7 0.7 3.1 3.8 1.5 0.4 0.5 1.9 1.4 10.1 .405 .426 .313 .434 .746 .462
7       Josh Jackson 2018-19  21 PHO NBA -1.5 71 25 24.2 4.2 10.2 3.4  7.6 0.8 2.7 1.8 2.7 0.9 3.3 4.1 2.3 0.9 0.7 2.2 2.5 11.0 .410 .443 .317 .452 .674 .484
8      Adam Morrison 2006-07  22 CHA NBA -1.5 78 23 29.8 4.6 12.1 3.4  8.8 1.1 3.3 1.5 2.2 0.7 2.3 2.9 2.1 0.4 0.1 1.7 2.3 11.8 .376 .391 .337 .422 .710 .450
9     Winford Boynes 1980-81  23 DAL NBA -1.4    44 17.2 2.8  7.1 2.8  7.1 0.0 0.0 1.0 1.3 0.5 1.2 1.7 0.8 0.5 0.4 1.6 1.8  6.5 .387      .387 .387 .818 .426
10        Art Harris 1969-70  23 TOT NBA -1.4    81 19.2 3.5  8.9 3.5          8.9 1.1         1.7 2.0             2.9 2.7  8.1 .394      .394 .394 .642 .419
Provided by Basketball-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 3/18/2019.

Worst careers, same period:

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                                                   Tota                                                                       Per                           Shoo
Rk                 Player From   To  Tm  Lg   WS   G GS   MP  FG  FGA  2P 2PA  3P 3PA  FT FTA ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV  PF  PTS  FG%  2P%  3P% eFG%  FT%  TS%
1             Fred Hilton 1972 1973 BUF NBA -3.5    120 17.3 4.2 10.7 4.2        10.7 1.1         1.5 2.1             1.6 2.0  9.4 .388      .388 .388 .749 .414
2        Lancaster Gordon 1985 1988 LAC NBA -2.7 201  6 12.8 2.3  6.0 2.2 5.6 0.1 0.4 0.8 1.0 0.6 0.7 1.3 1.5 0.6 0.2 1.2 1.3  5.6 .391 .400 .271 .400 .767 .433
3            Josh Jackson 2018 2019 PHO NBA -2.3 148 60 24.8 4.6 11.2 3.9 8.5 0.8 2.7 2.1 3.2 1.1 3.3 4.4 1.9 1.0 0.6 2.1 2.7 12.1 .414 .455 .288 .450 .650 .482
4            Bird Averitt 1977 1978 TOT NBA -1.8    130 17.1 3.3  8.5 3.3         8.5 1.7 2.4 0.3 1.0 1.2 2.5 0.5 0.1 2.6 1.9  8.3 .392      .392 .392 .713 .438
5         Frank Ntilikina 2018 2019 NYK NBA -1.7 119 25 21.7 2.3  6.5 1.6 4.3 0.7 2.2 0.6 0.8 0.4 1.8 2.2 3.1 0.8 0.3 1.6 2.4  5.9 .356 .382 .307 .409 .729 .431
6           Mardy Collins 2007 2010 TOT NBA -1.6 189 31 14.7 1.6  4.1 1.4 3.4 0.2 0.7 0.6 1.0 0.5 1.3 1.8 1.7 0.6 0.1 1.1 1.4  3.9 .380 .396 .299 .405 .599 .431
7          Rodrick Rhodes 1998 2000 TOT NBA -1.6  72 14 17.1 1.7  5.0 1.7 4.8 0.0 0.2 1.8 2.8 0.5 0.7 1.2 1.7 1.0 0.2 1.7 2.0  5.3 .347 .354 .200 .351 .620 .422
8    Nikoloz Tskitishvili 2003 2006 TOT NBA -1.6 172 16 11.3 1.1  3.6 0.9 2.6 0.3 1.1 0.5 0.7 0.6 1.2 1.8 0.7 0.3 0.3 0.7 1.3  2.9 .304 .332 .235 .338 .730 .375
9          Kenny McIntosh 1972 1975 TOT NBA -1.5    177 20.9 2.3  6.3 2.3         6.3 0.7 1.3 1.6 3.5 3.9 1.0 0.7     0.4 1.9  5.3 .361      .361 .361 .581 .386
10            Gary Zeller 1971 1972 BAL NBA -1.5     78  8.9 1.5  4.4 1.5         4.4 0.5         0.8 1.2             0.5 1.3  3.5 .340      .340 .340 .587 .365
Provided by Basketball-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 3/18/2019.
Thanks for sharing. Interesting that Ntilikina is also on that list.

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Re: Game Day: Suns (16-53) @ Rockets (42-26), Fri 3/15/19

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specialsauce wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:04 pm
Cap wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:32 pm
specialsauce wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:15 pm
Superbone wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:13 am
specialsauce wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:52 am


LOL. That was so predictable. Jake Voskuhl hit a game winner once.
Dude. Speaking of predictable. You go after him every single game and it gets old. He's not nearly as bad as you say he is and others have agreed with me if you've been paying attention.
heh. Did you read the article? He’s statistically one of the WORST players in the league. Not bad, one of thethe worst. It’s hard to argue with that.

I’m not worried about a popularity contest. Dude is out there playing with 2 IQ making bad decisions at every turn on both ends of the court with no signs of improvement in decision making, and he makes one three pointer and it’s as if he’s “figuring it out.”

I get it Bone. You’re an eternal optimist. You probably didn’t want to give up on Chriss, Len, Goodwin, Bender. You probably liked Mike James, saw value in most of our trash that we’ve taken way too long to dump. But you can’t sell a turd as a legit prospect. He’s not bad. He’s historically bad.
Worst individual seasons of the past 50 years, by WS:

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                                               Tota                                                                        Per                           Shoo
Rk            Player  Season Age  Tm  Lg   WS  G GS   MP  FG  FGA  2P  2PA  3P 3PA  FT FTA ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV  PF  PTS  FG%  2P%  3P% eFG%  FT%  TS%
1        Fred Hilton 1971-72  24 BUF NBA -2.1    61 22.1 5.1 13.0 5.1         13.0 1.5         2.0 2.6             1.9 2.4 11.6 .389      .389 .389 .738 .417
2    Emmanuel Mudiay 2015-16  19 DEN NBA -2.1 68 66 30.4 4.8 13.3 3.8  9.9 1.1 3.4 2.1 3.1 0.5 2.9 3.4 5.5 1.0 0.5 3.2 2.1 12.8 .364 .379 .319 .404 .670 .437
3        Jim Jackson 1992-93  22 DAL NBA -1.6 28 28 33.5 6.6 16.6 5.8 14.0 0.8 2.6 2.4 3.3 1.5 2.9 4.4 4.7 1.4 0.4 4.1 2.9 16.3 .395 .415 .288 .417 .739 .451
4     Kenny McIntosh 1972-73  24 TOT NBA -1.6    59 19.3 1.9  5.8 1.9          5.8 0.7         1.1 3.9             0.9 1.7  4.6 .337      .337 .337 .597 .364
5     Sharone Wright 1996-97  24 TOR NBA -1.6 60 28 16.8 2.7  6.7 2.7  6.7 0.0 0.0 1.1 2.2 1.3 1.8 3.1 0.5 0.3 0.8 1.6 2.4  6.5 .400 .400 .000 .400 .511 .423
6    M****** B****** 2012-13  24 PHO NBA -1.5 75 20 20.7 4.1 10.2 3.5  8.3 0.6 1.9 1.3 1.7 0.7 3.1 3.8 1.5 0.4 0.5 1.9 1.4 10.1 .405 .426 .313 .434 .746 .462
7       Josh Jackson 2018-19  21 PHO NBA -1.5 71 25 24.2 4.2 10.2 3.4  7.6 0.8 2.7 1.8 2.7 0.9 3.3 4.1 2.3 0.9 0.7 2.2 2.5 11.0 .410 .443 .317 .452 .674 .484
8      Adam Morrison 2006-07  22 CHA NBA -1.5 78 23 29.8 4.6 12.1 3.4  8.8 1.1 3.3 1.5 2.2 0.7 2.3 2.9 2.1 0.4 0.1 1.7 2.3 11.8 .376 .391 .337 .422 .710 .450
9     Winford Boynes 1980-81  23 DAL NBA -1.4    44 17.2 2.8  7.1 2.8  7.1 0.0 0.0 1.0 1.3 0.5 1.2 1.7 0.8 0.5 0.4 1.6 1.8  6.5 .387      .387 .387 .818 .426
10        Art Harris 1969-70  23 TOT NBA -1.4    81 19.2 3.5  8.9 3.5          8.9 1.1         1.7 2.0             2.9 2.7  8.1 .394      .394 .394 .642 .419
Provided by Basketball-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 3/18/2019.

Worst careers, same period:

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                                                   Tota                                                                       Per                           Shoo
Rk                 Player From   To  Tm  Lg   WS   G GS   MP  FG  FGA  2P 2PA  3P 3PA  FT FTA ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV  PF  PTS  FG%  2P%  3P% eFG%  FT%  TS%
1             Fred Hilton 1972 1973 BUF NBA -3.5    120 17.3 4.2 10.7 4.2        10.7 1.1         1.5 2.1             1.6 2.0  9.4 .388      .388 .388 .749 .414
2        Lancaster Gordon 1985 1988 LAC NBA -2.7 201  6 12.8 2.3  6.0 2.2 5.6 0.1 0.4 0.8 1.0 0.6 0.7 1.3 1.5 0.6 0.2 1.2 1.3  5.6 .391 .400 .271 .400 .767 .433
3            Josh Jackson 2018 2019 PHO NBA -2.3 148 60 24.8 4.6 11.2 3.9 8.5 0.8 2.7 2.1 3.2 1.1 3.3 4.4 1.9 1.0 0.6 2.1 2.7 12.1 .414 .455 .288 .450 .650 .482
4            Bird Averitt 1977 1978 TOT NBA -1.8    130 17.1 3.3  8.5 3.3         8.5 1.7 2.4 0.3 1.0 1.2 2.5 0.5 0.1 2.6 1.9  8.3 .392      .392 .392 .713 .438
5         Frank Ntilikina 2018 2019 NYK NBA -1.7 119 25 21.7 2.3  6.5 1.6 4.3 0.7 2.2 0.6 0.8 0.4 1.8 2.2 3.1 0.8 0.3 1.6 2.4  5.9 .356 .382 .307 .409 .729 .431
6           Mardy Collins 2007 2010 TOT NBA -1.6 189 31 14.7 1.6  4.1 1.4 3.4 0.2 0.7 0.6 1.0 0.5 1.3 1.8 1.7 0.6 0.1 1.1 1.4  3.9 .380 .396 .299 .405 .599 .431
7          Rodrick Rhodes 1998 2000 TOT NBA -1.6  72 14 17.1 1.7  5.0 1.7 4.8 0.0 0.2 1.8 2.8 0.5 0.7 1.2 1.7 1.0 0.2 1.7 2.0  5.3 .347 .354 .200 .351 .620 .422
8    Nikoloz Tskitishvili 2003 2006 TOT NBA -1.6 172 16 11.3 1.1  3.6 0.9 2.6 0.3 1.1 0.5 0.7 0.6 1.2 1.8 0.7 0.3 0.3 0.7 1.3  2.9 .304 .332 .235 .338 .730 .375
9          Kenny McIntosh 1972 1975 TOT NBA -1.5    177 20.9 2.3  6.3 2.3         6.3 0.7 1.3 1.6 3.5 3.9 1.0 0.7     0.4 1.9  5.3 .361      .361 .361 .581 .386
10            Gary Zeller 1971 1972 BAL NBA -1.5     78  8.9 1.5  4.4 1.5         4.4 0.5         0.8 1.2             0.5 1.3  3.5 .340      .340 .340 .587 .365
Provided by Basketball-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 3/18/2019.
Thanks for sharing. Interesting that Ntilikina is also on that list.
What history tells us is that when a young player named J. Jackson has a season of -1.6 WS, he goes on to have an okay career.

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Re: Game Day: Suns (16-53) @ Rockets (42-26), Fri 3/15/19

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specialsauce wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:15 pm
Superbone wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:13 am
specialsauce wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:52 am
Superbone wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:16 am
iLLmatic wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:31 am


but but but he blocks a shot occasionally
And has a lot of fire and has the guts to hit game winners. Bad time to pick on him, guys. He's just going to continue to get better and you'll be sorry after he's gone. You guys have no vision. But it's tough seeing through those turd colored glasses.
LOL. That was so predictable. Jake Voskuhl hit a game winner once.
Dude. Speaking of predictable. You go after him every single game and it gets old. He's not nearly as bad as you say he is and others have agreed with me if you've been paying attention.
heh. Did you read the article? He’s statistically one of the WORST players in the league. Not bad, one of thethe worst. It’s hard to argue with that.

I’m not worried about a popularity contest. Dude is out there playing with 2 IQ making bad decisions at every turn on both ends of the court with no signs of improvement in decision making, and he makes one three pointer and it’s as if he’s “figuring it out.”

I get it Bone. You’re an eternal optimist. You probably didn’t want to give up on Chriss, Len, Goodwin, Bender. You probably liked Mike James, saw value in most of our trash that we’ve taken way too long to dump. But you can’t sell a turd as a legit prospect. He’s not bad. He’s historically bad.
Like I said, you haven't been paying attention.
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