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Re: Suns News: 2019 Off-Season

Post by Indy » Fri May 10, 2019 8:49 am

Split T wrote:
Fri May 10, 2019 8:10 am
Would you guys move Warren for Reggie Jackson?

I’ve never been a huge Jackson fan, but his 3pt shot has improved, he was at 37% last year on a career high number of attempts. His turnovers are pretty low, though Detroit taking the ball out of his hands more, probably has something to do with that. So it’d be nice to have a point forward. *cough* Simmons *cough*

He’d expire after next season, so he’d be low risk if he doesn’t work out.

My new plan assuming we don’t land 1:

1. Trade our pick, Josh Jackson, and Okobo to Philly for Simmons.
2. Renounce everyone but Oubre.
3. Trade Warren for Reggie Jackson
4. Sign Dewayne Dedmon and Seth Curry

Curry/Booker/Bridges/Simmons/Ayton
Jackson/Johnson/Oubre/Dedmon

You’d have 1 elite shooter(Curry)
Another near elite shooter(Booker)
3 good shooters(Jackson, Bridges, Dedmon)
2 average shooters(Oubre, Johnson)
And 1 developing shooter(Ayton)

No bad shooters around Simmons.
I can't see them taking #3-#7 with a big bust (Jackson) and Okobo for Simmons. It doesn't help them enough.

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Re: Suns News: 2019 Off-Season

Post by Indy » Fri May 10, 2019 8:50 am

Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:
Fri May 10, 2019 7:49 am
Indy wrote:
Fri May 10, 2019 5:12 am
If you can get Simmons for people not named Ayton, Booker, and Bridges, you do it. He can play point forward. He is already bigger and a better rebounder than Philly's PF, and would be a huge upgrade for us at that spot. You then sign a veteran 3-D guy at point. It would require Ayton to become an outside shooter, though. Or at least a threat in the 33-35% range.
I'd give up Bridges. The only guys or assets I wouldn't put in such a deal would be Booker, Ayton, or if we get the #1 pick this year (Zion).
I understand what you are saying, but we need defenders badly. I don't want to give up our best one.

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Re: Suns News: 2019 Off-Season

Post by Split T » Fri May 10, 2019 9:22 am

Indy wrote:
Fri May 10, 2019 8:49 am
Split T wrote:
Fri May 10, 2019 8:10 am
Would you guys move Warren for Reggie Jackson?

I’ve never been a huge Jackson fan, but his 3pt shot has improved, he was at 37% last year on a career high number of attempts. His turnovers are pretty low, though Detroit taking the ball out of his hands more, probably has something to do with that. So it’d be nice to have a point forward. *cough* Simmons *cough*

He’d expire after next season, so he’d be low risk if he doesn’t work out.

My new plan assuming we don’t land 1:

1. Trade our pick, Josh Jackson, and Okobo to Philly for Simmons.
2. Renounce everyone but Oubre.
3. Trade Warren for Reggie Jackson
4. Sign Dewayne Dedmon and Seth Curry

Curry/Booker/Bridges/Simmons/Ayton
Jackson/Johnson/Oubre/Dedmon

You’d have 1 elite shooter(Curry)
Another near elite shooter(Booker)
3 good shooters(Jackson, Bridges, Dedmon)
2 average shooters(Oubre, Johnson)
And 1 developing shooter(Ayton)

No bad shooters around Simmons.
I can't see them taking #3-#7 with a big bust (Jackson) and Okobo for Simmons. It doesn't help them enough.
Ya I don’t think they would either..would have to be number 2 at a minimum.
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Re: Suns News: 2019 Off-Season

Post by Marty [Mori Chu] » Fri May 10, 2019 10:59 am

Indy wrote:
Fri May 10, 2019 8:50 am
Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:
Fri May 10, 2019 7:49 am
Indy wrote:
Fri May 10, 2019 5:12 am
If you can get Simmons for people not named Ayton, Booker, and Bridges, you do it. He can play point forward. He is already bigger and a better rebounder than Philly's PF, and would be a huge upgrade for us at that spot. You then sign a veteran 3-D guy at point. It would require Ayton to become an outside shooter, though. Or at least a threat in the 33-35% range.
I'd give up Bridges. The only guys or assets I wouldn't put in such a deal would be Booker, Ayton, or if we get the #1 pick this year (Zion).
I understand what you are saying, but we need defenders badly. I don't want to give up our best one.
I would of course prefer to keep Bridges. But you have to give up something to get a great player back. You can't just give them your garbage like Josh Jackson and expect them to do a dumb trade like that. Even a high 1st-rounder isn't enough; the ceiling for most of these rookies is way lower than what Ben Simmons already is now. They'd get tarred and feathered for making a trade like that.

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Re: Suns News: 2019 Off-Season

Post by Marty [Mori Chu] » Fri May 10, 2019 11:05 am

Split T wrote:
Fri May 10, 2019 8:10 am
Would you guys move Warren for Reggie Jackson?

I’ve never been a huge Jackson fan, but his 3pt shot has improved, he was at 37% last year on a career high number of attempts. His turnovers are pretty low, though Detroit taking the ball out of his hands more, probably has something to do with that. So it’d be nice to have a point forward. *cough* Simmons *cough*

He’d expire after next season, so he’d be low risk if he doesn’t work out.

My new plan assuming we don’t land 1:

1. Trade our pick, Josh Jackson, and Okobo to Philly for Simmons.
2. Renounce everyone but Oubre.
3. Trade Warren for Reggie Jackson
4. Sign Dewayne Dedmon and Seth Curry

Curry/Booker/Bridges/Simmons/Ayton
Jackson/Johnson/Oubre/Dedmon

You’d have 1 elite shooter(Curry)
Another near elite shooter(Booker)
3 good shooters(Jackson, Bridges, Dedmon)
2 average shooters(Oubre, Johnson)
And 1 developing shooter(Ayton)

No bad shooters around Simmons.
I like some of your ideas in this post, but I really dislike the idea of acquiring Reggie Jackson. Dude is a ballhog and he shot 42.1% this past season. Yes his threes are better, but the guy has a horrible overall FG%. Feels like another Brandon Knight acquisition or something, a guard who doesn't do what we need.

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Re: Suns News: 2019 Off-Season

Post by Split T » Fri May 10, 2019 11:48 am

Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:
Fri May 10, 2019 11:05 am
Split T wrote:
Fri May 10, 2019 8:10 am
Would you guys move Warren for Reggie Jackson?

I’ve never been a huge Jackson fan, but his 3pt shot has improved, he was at 37% last year on a career high number of attempts. His turnovers are pretty low, though Detroit taking the ball out of his hands more, probably has something to do with that. So it’d be nice to have a point forward. *cough* Simmons *cough*

He’d expire after next season, so he’d be low risk if he doesn’t work out.

My new plan assuming we don’t land 1:

1. Trade our pick, Josh Jackson, and Okobo to Philly for Simmons.
2. Renounce everyone but Oubre.
3. Trade Warren for Reggie Jackson
4. Sign Dewayne Dedmon and Seth Curry

Curry/Booker/Bridges/Simmons/Ayton
Jackson/Johnson/Oubre/Dedmon

You’d have 1 elite shooter(Curry)
Another near elite shooter(Booker)
3 good shooters(Jackson, Bridges, Dedmon)
2 average shooters(Oubre, Johnson)
And 1 developing shooter(Ayton)

No bad shooters around Simmons.
I like some of your ideas in this post, but I really dislike the idea of acquiring Reggie Jackson. Dude is a ballhog and he shot 42.1% this past season. Yes his threes are better, but the guy has a horrible overall FG%. Feels like another Brandon Knight acquisition or something, a guard who doesn't do what we need.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/pl ... sre01.html
Ya that’s fair, I wouldn’t be thrilled with Reggie Jackson, but he’s had some positive developments recently. He’s not been as big of a ball hog in recent years, his 3pt shot has trended up, turnovers trending down, shooting less long 2’s and more 3’s.

We’re gonna have to take a flawed player back for Warren. Jackson has some talent and is also an expiring contract...so low risk. Could move him again at trade deadline if it doesn’t work out. Or just let him expire.

Also, I would only be in favor of this move if we brought in another distributor. I wouldn’t want him to be the one pg we bring in.
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Re: Suns News: 2019 Off-Season

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Re: Suns News: 2019 Off-Season

Post by Flagrant Fowl » Fri May 10, 2019 6:10 pm

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Re: Suns News: 2019 Off-Season

Post by carey » Fri May 10, 2019 7:07 pm

Cap wrote: My advice, FWIW: See a sports medicine specialist. Go ahead and invest the time and copay instead of looking for a free consultation from someone on the board who has never met your son.
I didn't take him to a sports medicine specialist but I did take him to an orthopedic doctor today. He has a small bone chip on his elbow. Not big enough to require a cast but he can't do anything for a month. Basically will be lost for the rest of the season. Could make it back for the playoffs if totally cleared in time but I probably won't risk it and just bring him back slowly.
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Re: Suns News: 2019 Off-Season

Post by In2ition » Fri May 10, 2019 9:11 pm

carey wrote:
Fri May 10, 2019 7:07 pm
Cap wrote: My advice, FWIW: See a sports medicine specialist. Go ahead and invest the time and copay instead of looking for a free consultation from someone on the board who has never met your son.
I didn't take him to a sports medicine specialist but I did take him to an orthopedic doctor today. He has a small bone chip on his elbow. Not big enough to require a cast but he can't do anything for a month. Basically will be lost for the rest of the season. Could make it back for the playoffs if totally cleared in time but I probably won't risk it and just bring him back slowly.
In the mean time, could you get him to start learning to throw with the other arm? I know it's a ton of work and probably not worth it, but keeps him active and not worrying about the injury. It also helps the left brain/right brain connectivity.

I played ball with Ed Bane's son Jaime in hs. He was right handed, but his dad made him throw left handed.
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Re: Suns News: 2019 Off-Season

Post by carey » Sat May 11, 2019 10:25 am

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In the mean time, could you get him to start learning to throw with the other arm? I know it's a ton of work and probably not worth it, but keeps him active and not worrying about the injury. It also helps the left brain/right brain connectivity.

I played ball with Ed Bane's son Jaime in hs. He was right handed, but his dad made him throw left handed.
He is not even supposed to bend his elbow. Can't even hit.
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Re: Suns News: 2019 Off-Season

Post by bajanguy008 » Sat May 11, 2019 12:10 pm

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Re: Suns News: 2019 Off-Season

Post by In2ition » Sat May 11, 2019 1:49 pm

This is very encouraging. There was a very noticeable change in Victor after doing it.
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Re: Suns News: 2019 Off-Season

Post by INFORMER » Sat May 11, 2019 3:48 pm

carey wrote:
Thu May 02, 2019 8:37 pm
ShelC wrote:I don't know why they'd want or need Kyrie. They should go all in on KD with the team they have and go to the ECFs next year.
Cause Kyrie is really f*** good. Why would you turn him down if you had an opportunity to sign him?
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Post by INFORMER » Sat May 11, 2019 3:50 pm

BlaCkAdDa wrote:
Fri May 03, 2019 12:39 am
carey wrote: Cause Kyrie is really f*** good. Why would you turn him down if you had an opportunity to sign him?
This.. He's probably close to a top 5 player
No way. I think there are easily 10 players better than him.
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Re: Suns News: 2019 Off-Season

Post by INFORMER » Sat May 11, 2019 3:53 pm

Indy wrote:
Fri May 03, 2019 9:07 am
DLo is just not very good. I know he made an all-star team, but did you see him play in the playoffs? He was bad. He took over 20 shots a game and couldn't make 36% of them. Not from 3--from everywhere. And how does your lead guard have an assist to TO ratio hover around 1?
Well I don't think you can just go by his first playoff performance. But in general, I agree with the hesitation to invest a large portion of the salary cap in him. He is a low percentage, high turnover, high volume scoring guard. That doesn't really appeal to me. I don't think that is the kind of player you put next to Booker.
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Re: Suns News: 2019 Off-Season

Post by INFORMER » Sat May 11, 2019 3:55 pm

Gladiator wrote:
Fri May 03, 2019 3:01 pm
That sounds very promising with the training facility. It's so weird to be seeing positive Suns news!
Agreed. This is a very positive development.
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Re: Suns News: 2019 Off-Season

Post by INFORMER » Sat May 11, 2019 4:03 pm

Flagrant Fowl wrote:
Thu May 09, 2019 1:48 am
A Twitter discussion I saw on my timeline had a bunch of people thinking he should get around $10M/year. I'm sure someone will pay him that, but I also think it's a terrible idea.
Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:
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$10m/year isn't much. I don't think that would be an awful deal for him in today's CBA. But I don't know if he is a starting PG.
Mori is right. $10 mil/yr is basically the MLE exception now.
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Re: Suns News: 2019 Off-Season

Post by INFORMER » Sat May 11, 2019 4:05 pm

wpmiller42 wrote:
Thu May 09, 2019 7:57 am
I'm not as down on Rozier as most, but I think I'd rather go hard after Brogdon for that kind of money (assuming we don't get Morant). McConnell would also be a good fill-in till we find a long-term solution.
We're not getting Brogdon for $10 mil/yr. I think it is going to take At least $16 mil/yr to get him away from Milwaukee.
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Re: Suns News: 2019 Off-Season

Post by INFORMER » Sat May 11, 2019 4:12 pm

Flagrant Fowl wrote:
Thu May 09, 2019 5:38 pm
The problem with Simmons is, what can you do with him when he doesn't have the ball in his hands? If Booker is doing his Harden thing and both Ayton and Simmons are on the floor, at least one of them needs to stretch to the corner.
I have a similar concern with that trio. Booker and Simmons would be fine together, but Ayton and Simmons would be a difficult pairing.

I think Sauce is underrating how good Simmons is, but he is right to be nervous about maxing out Simmons. There would still be too many holes with the team with those three as our Big 3, and there wouldn't be enough salary cap maneuverability to address those holes. If the Suns didn't have Ayton, Simmons would make more sense.
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