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Re: Suns sign Rubio

Post by 3rdside » Sun Jul 28, 2019 12:52 am

3rdside wrote:
Sun Jul 28, 2019 12:06 am
Superbone wrote:
Sat Jul 27, 2019 10:58 am
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Sat Jul 27, 2019 9:40 am
O_Gardino wrote:
Sat Jul 27, 2019 7:52 am
You can play ball with a guard who can't score, it's just tough to score. That was the end of a historically low scoring era of bball and the Nets averaged 94 ppg in the playoff over those two seasons.

Out best hope with Ricky is that he becomes a good spot up 3pt shooter, and that we get a stud at pg in the draft next year for him to mentor.
Different era and not quite an apples to apples comparison, agreed, more to make a point that you can win with a lead guard that can't shoot.

I still maintain, largely ignorantly, that a team of passers with a good offensive system should be able to do just that, and Booker with his 7 assists / 36, Rubio 10 / 36 (Minny stats), Saric 3 / 36 (and from various accounts a better passer than this number gives him credit for) is a pretty good start, especially with a gift in the post like Ayton.
I fully expect Booker’s assist rate to drop off from last season as we move away from point Book.
Agree - I also predict Rubio will go >10 assists per game for the first time in his career (looking at Nash's stats he jumped to >10 for the first time in his career when he rejoined us from Dallas, at the age of 30, going from 8.8 to 11.5. I suppose I should be clear at this point that I'm not equating Rubio to Kidd or Nash - he's about $3 to their $5 - just that there's some pretty interesting similarities happening here).
I'll restate that - I think he's a good chance to get to >10 assists eventually, maybe not in his first season.

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Re: Suns sign Rubio

Post by O_Gardino » Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:08 am

I think Booker will still run a good deal of our half court offence. Rubio will run the break, bring the ball up, and initiate the offence, but the ball will be in Booker's hands very often. I don't expect his assists to drop, and I don't expect Rubio's to climb much.
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Re: Suns sign Rubio

Post by In2ition » Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:28 am

O_Gardino wrote:
Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:08 am
I think Booker will still run a good deal of our half court offence. Rubio will run the break, bring the ball up, and initiate the offence, but the ball will be in Booker's hands very often. I don't expect his assists to drop, and I don't expect Rubio's to climb much.
Do you think the Suns will run an offensive system like Utah this season?
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Re: Suns sign Rubio

Post by England Sun » Sun Jul 28, 2019 8:23 am

O_Gardino wrote:
Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:08 am
I think Booker will still run a good deal of our half court offence. Rubio will run the break, bring the ball up, and initiate the offence, but the ball will be in Booker's hands very often. I don't expect his assists to drop, and I don't expect Rubio's to climb much.
I’d disagree. One of the glaring weaknesses of Booker playing point was his inability to feed Ayton, or anyone else in the paint for that matter. Coach Williams’s has already said that he was looking forward to getting a point that can feed our franchise big. Rubio is that man.
I expect Books assists to drop but not by too much but Rubios to climb and the best thing is the team assists to climb to a much better rate as Saric also is able to feed others.
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Re: Suns sign Rubio

Post by SDC » Sun Jul 28, 2019 9:49 am

The rubio ayton 2 man game is Ricky feeding ayton in the post, and if ayton gets doubled, he kicks it out to Rubio for the wide open 18 footer.

I don't expect a lot of PNR from these two.

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Re: Suns sign Rubio

Post by SDC » Sun Jul 28, 2019 9:51 am

Rubio's the white Dennis Johnson. Good defender, good midrange jump shooter, not athletic, not known for three pt shooting.



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Re: Suns sign Rubio

Post by Indy » Sun Jul 28, 2019 11:56 am

SDC wrote:
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The rubio ayton 2 man game is Ricky feeding ayton in the post, and if ayton gets doubled, he kicks it out to Rubio for the wide open 18 footer.

I don't expect a lot of PNR from these two.
In what world is there enough room between Ayton in the post and Rubio at 18 feet to not have pretty much any defender in the league be able to guard it well?

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Re: Suns sign Rubio

Post by Indy » Sun Jul 28, 2019 11:57 am

I expect Booker to average more points per game this season.

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Re: Suns sign Rubio

Post by Split T » Sun Jul 28, 2019 3:24 pm

Indy wrote:
Sun Jul 28, 2019 11:57 am
I expect Booker to average more points per game this season.
Very possible. We didn’t really add any scorers to the lineup. Our overall offense should be improved and Ayton is really the only obvious candidate for significantly more touches. We lost the Warren/Melton/Jackson/Bender touches. Booker will play more off the ball and should get better looks with better teammates. Even if his touches decrease a bit, he could score more points.

Also, he was already putting up 30+ the 2nd half the season on .600+ ts%

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Re: Suns sign Rubio

Post by Indy » Sun Jul 28, 2019 5:46 pm

We were also the 2nd worst scoring team in the west, only behind Memphis. We need to get 8 more points per game to be competitive. And even then, that wouldn't be enough to cover our differential from last year.

There were only 5 teams last year that had a worse differential than a single made 3 pointer. We needed more than 3 made threes to close the gap (-9.3).

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Re: Suns sign Rubio

Post by Superbone » Sun Jul 28, 2019 6:21 pm

Indy wrote:
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We were also the 2nd worst scoring team in the west, only behind Memphis. We need to get 8 more points per game to be competitive. And even then, that wouldn't be enough to cover our differential from last year.

There were only 5 teams last year that had a worse differential than a single made 3 pointer. We needed more than 3 made threes to close the gap (-9.3).
Good thing we have a mostly new team and all-new coaching staff.
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Re: Suns sign Rubio

Post by Indy » Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:04 pm

Superbone wrote:
Sun Jul 28, 2019 6:21 pm
Indy wrote:
Sun Jul 28, 2019 5:46 pm
We were also the 2nd worst scoring team in the west, only behind Memphis. We need to get 8 more points per game to be competitive. And even then, that wouldn't be enough to cover our differential from last year.

There were only 5 teams last year that had a worse differential than a single made 3 pointer. We needed more than 3 made threes to close the gap (-9.3).
Good thing we have a mostly new team and all-new coaching staff.
pretty sure at least on of those has been true for 4 out of the last 5 years. i hope this time yields a different result.

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Re: Suns sign Rubio

Post by Superbone » Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:41 pm

Indy wrote:
Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:04 pm
Superbone wrote:
Sun Jul 28, 2019 6:21 pm
Indy wrote:
Sun Jul 28, 2019 5:46 pm
We were also the 2nd worst scoring team in the west, only behind Memphis. We need to get 8 more points per game to be competitive. And even then, that wouldn't be enough to cover our differential from last year.

There were only 5 teams last year that had a worse differential than a single made 3 pointer. We needed more than 3 made threes to close the gap (-9.3).
Good thing we have a mostly new team and all-new coaching staff.
pretty sure at least on of those has been true for 4 out of the last 5 years. i hope this time yields a different result.
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Re: Suns sign Rubio

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Re: Suns sign Rubio

Post by In2ition » Thu Aug 01, 2019 1:02 pm

"30 wins would be an extremely disappointing season" yeah, I said it and I mean it.

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Re: Suns sign Rubio

Post by Ring_Wanted » Thu Aug 01, 2019 4:44 pm

In2ition wrote:
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Nice. Ayton is #39, right behind LaVine, Trae Young and Doncic.

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Re: Suns sign Rubio

Post by Split T » Thu Aug 01, 2019 6:13 pm

What statistic are they actually measuring there?

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Re: Suns sign Rubio

Post by gosuns » Thu Aug 01, 2019 11:33 pm

Split T wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 6:13 pm
What statistic are they actually measuring there?
Just a guess: performance in relation to consistency?

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Re: Suns sign Rubio

Post by Wormwood » Sun Aug 04, 2019 10:47 am

Rick Rubio's teams have averaged ~33 wins per season. If you only include his time in Minnesota, he averaged 28.8 wins per season. The wolves were significantly better in the two seasons after he left. Betting on the under for 30 games is a tight bet, but reasonable given the evidence.


2011–12 NBA Western 12th Northwest 5th 26 40 0.394
2012–13 NBA Western 12th Northwest 5th 31 51 0.378
2013–14 NBA Western 10th Northwest 3rd 40 42 0.488
2014–15 NBA Western 15th Northwest 5th 16 66 0.195
2015–16 NBA Western 13th Northwest 5th 29 53 0.354
2016–17 NBA Western 13th Northwest 5th 31 51 0.378
2017–18 NBA Western 5th Northwest 3rd 48 34 0.585
2018–19 NBA Western 5th Northwest 3rd 50 32 0.61

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Re: Suns sign Rubio

Post by Superbone » Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:22 am

Wormwood wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 10:47 am
Rick Rubio's teams have averaged ~33 wins per season. If you only include his time in Minnesota, he averaged 28.8 wins per season. The wolves were significantly better in the two seasons after he left. Betting on the under for 30 games is a tight bet, but reasonable given the evidence.


2011–12 NBA Western 12th Northwest 5th 26 40 0.394
2012–13 NBA Western 12th Northwest 5th 31 51 0.378
2013–14 NBA Western 10th Northwest 3rd 40 42 0.488
2014–15 NBA Western 15th Northwest 5th 16 66 0.195
2015–16 NBA Western 13th Northwest 5th 29 53 0.354
2016–17 NBA Western 13th Northwest 5th 31 51 0.378
2017–18 NBA Western 5th Northwest 3rd 48 34 0.585
2018–19 NBA Western 5th Northwest 3rd 50 32 0.61
Sure, if you want to base your whole bet on Ricky Rubio led teams. Missing a whole lot of other factors, aren't you?
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