Suns trading Melton and Jackson to Grizz for Korver and Javon Carter

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Re: Suns trading Melton and Jackson to Grizz for Korver and Javon Carter

Post by Marty [Mori Chu] » Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:21 pm

I am glad that the recent changes to the lottery are reducing the incentives and benefit of tanking. Teams that threw games last year generally were not rewarded for it. Over time this will change the mindset.

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Re: Suns trading Melton and Jackson to Grizz for Korver and Javon Carter

Post by Superbone » Mon Jul 15, 2019 4:00 pm

Indy wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:09 pm
In2ition wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:56 pm
Indy wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:50 pm
Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:48 pm
In2ition wrote:
Sat Jul 13, 2019 10:39 pm
If the Suns would have just had Tyler Johnson, who is a backup level PG, all year, they would have won 35 games last year. That's without a PF on the roster.
I don't agree with this. But we certainly would have been better. It's hard to know how good we "should" have been because we clearly sat marginally injured players and didn't try our hardest to win at the end of the season. Sometimes you win more games simply because you start trying your hardest as an organization and stop "soft tanking" by resting guys who could play.
YEah, let's hope we didn't f*** up anyone else on the roster by not trying hard. Teaching competitors it is ok (and even encouraged) to lose can really screw you up.
In hindsight, organizationally tanking games was the dumbest thing you could possibly do, imo. It just created a terrible culture and they dropped the ball on developing those young draft picks, which was reprehensible.
If you are tanking as a one-off, it could work (especially with the old lotto rules). But teaching your players it is ok to lose is just stupid as a year over year over year strategy. Ugh.
Philly disagrees.
Wormwood/Superbone 2019/2020 season bet: Suns win < 30 games, Wormwood wins, else 'Bone wins. 1 month avatar shame starting July 1st of winner's choosing.

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Re: Suns trading Melton and Jackson to Grizz for Korver and Javon Carter

Post by Shabazz » Mon Jul 15, 2019 4:04 pm

Superbone wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 4:00 pm
Indy wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:09 pm
In2ition wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:56 pm
Indy wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:50 pm
Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:48 pm


I don't agree with this. But we certainly would have been better. It's hard to know how good we "should" have been because we clearly sat marginally injured players and didn't try our hardest to win at the end of the season. Sometimes you win more games simply because you start trying your hardest as an organization and stop "soft tanking" by resting guys who could play.
YEah, let's hope we didn't f*** up anyone else on the roster by not trying hard. Teaching competitors it is ok (and even encouraged) to lose can really screw you up.
In hindsight, organizationally tanking games was the dumbest thing you could possibly do, imo. It just created a terrible culture and they dropped the ball on developing those young draft picks, which was reprehensible.
If you are tanking as a one-off, it could work (especially with the old lotto rules). But teaching your players it is ok to lose is just stupid as a year over year over year strategy. Ugh.
Philly disagrees.
We would too if we were better at drafting.

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Re: Suns trading Melton and Jackson to Grizz for Korver and Javon Carter

Post by carey » Mon Jul 15, 2019 5:51 pm

Indy wrote:
Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:48 pm
In2ition wrote:
Sat Jul 13, 2019 10:39 pm
If the Suns would have just had Tyler Johnson, who is a backup level PG, all year, they would have won 35 games last year. That's without a PF on the roster.
I don't agree with this. But we certainly would have been better. It's hard to know how good we "should" have been because we clearly sat marginally injured players and didn't try our hardest to win at the end of the season. Sometimes you win more games simply because you start trying your hardest as an organization and stop "soft tanking" by resting guys who could play.
YEah, let's hope we didn't f*** up anyone else on the roster by not trying hard. Teaching competitors it is ok (and even encouraged) to lose can really screw you up.
Good thing we turned over nearly our entire roster, huh?
Go Suns!

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Re: Suns trading Melton and Jackson to Grizz for Korver and Javon Carter

Post by Indy » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:00 am

carey wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 5:51 pm
Indy wrote:
Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:48 pm
In2ition wrote:
Sat Jul 13, 2019 10:39 pm
If the Suns would have just had Tyler Johnson, who is a backup level PG, all year, they would have won 35 games last year. That's without a PF on the roster.
I don't agree with this. But we certainly would have been better. It's hard to know how good we "should" have been because we clearly sat marginally injured players and didn't try our hardest to win at the end of the season. Sometimes you win more games simply because you start trying your hardest as an organization and stop "soft tanking" by resting guys who could play.
YEah, let's hope we didn't f*** up anyone else on the roster by not trying hard. Teaching competitors it is ok (and even encouraged) to lose can really screw you up.
Good thing we turned over nearly our entire roster, huh?
Yes

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Re: Suns trading Melton and Jackson to Grizz for Korver and Javon Carter

Post by Indy » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:00 am

Shabazz wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 4:04 pm
Superbone wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 4:00 pm
Indy wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:09 pm
In2ition wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:56 pm
Indy wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:50 pm


YEah, let's hope we didn't f*** up anyone else on the roster by not trying hard. Teaching competitors it is ok (and even encouraged) to lose can really screw you up.
In hindsight, organizationally tanking games was the dumbest thing you could possibly do, imo. It just created a terrible culture and they dropped the ball on developing those young draft picks, which was reprehensible.
If you are tanking as a one-off, it could work (especially with the old lotto rules). But teaching your players it is ok to lose is just stupid as a year over year over year strategy. Ugh.
Philly disagrees.
We would too if we were better at drafting.
Probably just as important as how bad we have been at developing

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Re: Suns trading Melton and Jackson to Grizz for Korver and Javon Carter

Post by Marty [Mori Chu] » Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:47 am

I think several of our younglings, such as Bender, would have made it in the league if they had been drafted and developed by, say, San Antonio. We should strive to do better by our rookies.

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Re: Suns trading Melton and Jackson to Grizz for Korver and Javon Carter

Post by Split T » Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:18 am

Heard Cavs are looking at Bender

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Re: Suns trading Melton and Jackson to Grizz for Korver and Javon Carter

Post by Marty [Mori Chu] » Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:20 am

Split T wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:18 am
Heard Cavs are looking at Bender
I read on Twitter that he's joining CSKA Moscow.

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