Predict 2019-20 Suns # of wins

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How many wins?

< 20
0
No votes
20-24
1
2%
25-29
9
17%
30-34
11
21%
35-39
21
40%
40-44
5
10%
45-50
4
8%
> 50
1
2%
 
Total votes: 52

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SDC wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2019 9:29 am
What's the minimum to make the playoffs in the west this year?
I’d guess mid-40’s. 8 seed will probably have 45-47 wins

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Split T wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2019 9:39 am
ShelC wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:29 am
I don't mind Kaminsky as a player and an outside shooting big off the bench, but he was an overpay.
Meh, he was a 1 year deal at the room MLE....
2 years, I believe.

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2nd year looks like a TO.

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ShelC wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:22 am
2nd year looks like a TO.
Source?


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Split T wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2019 9:40 am
SDC wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2019 9:29 am
What's the minimum to make the playoffs in the west this year?
I’d guess mid-40’s. 8 seed will probably have 45-47 wins
I am thinking it will be low 40s. We might even have a .500 team make it this year. We keep talking about how we expect the Suns to win at least 12-15 more games, and that the other less-teams in the West got better while a few at the top didn't. Should make for a very interesting push after the all-star break.

On a similar note, I wouldn't be surprised if 3 or 4 Eastern playoff teams had sub-500 years.

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OK. I predicted 35-39. I think I am being VERY optimistic, but I am encouraged by Rubio and Baynes' showing in the WC.

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Split T wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2019 9:40 am
SDC wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2019 9:29 am
What's the minimum to make the playoffs in the west this year?
I’d guess mid-40’s. 8 seed will probably have 45-47 wins
I predict the suns will win 45-47 games this season

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I want to know who voted for >50 because you should post more.

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I'm curious why being pessimistic about the prospects of a team is being realistic? When did pessimism become synonymous with realism?
Maybe it always has been. It's weird that we can call the prognosticators realists if they say the '04-'05 Suns winning only 35 games tops and are outlandish dreamers smoking something if they come with an optimistic view of 50 wins.
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I'm with you, In2.
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In2ition wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:40 pm
I'm curious why being pessimistic about the prospects of a team is being realistic? When did pessimism become synonymous with realism?
Maybe it always has been. It's weird that we can call the prognosticators realists if they say the '04-'05 Suns winning only 35 games tops and are outlandish dreamers smoking something if they come with an optimistic view of 50 wins.
The Suns average # Wins from 1968-2010: 45.5 (Including the lockout year)--Win %=.56%
The Suns average # Wins from 2010-2019: 30.2--Win %=.38% (constitutes 738 games)

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If Baynes can keep hitting 3's at a high percentage, and continues to be a solid defender and rebounder, he's going to have a much better RPM than Ayton potentially. Floor spacing centers who play great defense (Baynes was 18th out of 70 centers in defensive RPM) are worth their weight in gold. I suspect he's going to get way more minutes than we anticipated (probably close to 20 mpg) if he keeps shooting well.

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jonh wrote:
Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:46 am
In2ition wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:40 pm
I'm curious why being pessimistic about the prospects of a team is being realistic? When did pessimism become synonymous with realism?
Maybe it always has been. It's weird that we can call the prognosticators realists if they say the '04-'05 Suns winning only 35 games tops and are outlandish dreamers smoking something if they come with an optimistic view of 50 wins.
The Suns average # Wins from 1968-2010: 45.5 (Including the lockout year)--Win %=.56%
The Suns average # Wins from 2010-2019: 30.2--Win %=.38% (constitutes 738 games)
I understand that and those %s. I've been a Suns fan for a long time, but that has nothing to do with my post, which pertains to general feelings, not specifically.
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Wormwood wrote:
Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:38 am
If Baynes can keep hitting 3's at a high percentage, and continues to be a solid defender and rebounder, he's going to have a much better RPM than Ayton potentially. Floor spacing centers who play great defense (Baynes was 18th out of 70 centers in defensive RPM) are worth their weight in gold. I suspect he's going to get way more minutes than we anticipated (probably close to 20 mpg) if he keeps shooting well.
This is either a sign of the coming apocalypse or a sign that things are actually changing for the better. This is the most positive post I've seen from Worm in like 10 yrs.
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I vote for the coming apocalypse

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rhylek wrote:
Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:29 am
I vote for the coming apocalypse
No, no, no, rhylek. How many times do we need to tell you?! We don't vote for apocalypses!
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In2ition wrote:
Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:45 am
jonh wrote:
Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:46 am
In2ition wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:40 pm
I'm curious why being pessimistic about the prospects of a team is being realistic? When did pessimism become synonymous with realism?
Maybe it always has been. It's weird that we can call the prognosticators realists if they say the '04-'05 Suns winning only 35 games tops and are outlandish dreamers smoking something if they come with an optimistic view of 50 wins.
The Suns average # Wins from 1968-2010: 45.5 (Including the lockout year)--Win %=.56%
The Suns average # Wins from 2010-2019: 30.2--Win %=.38% (constitutes 738 games)
I understand that and those %s. I've been a Suns fan for a long time, but that has nothing to do with my post, which pertains to general feelings, not specifically.
I apologize for being flippant--there have been several offseasons where I have optimistically believed the team was better than the previous year, but then the season shows that my optimistic view of the team wasn't accurate. I think fans support their team as best they can, but also try to temper their own expectations, so November and December is not filled with disappointment.

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In2ition wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:40 pm
I'm curious why being pessimistic about the prospects of a team is being realistic? When did pessimism become synonymous with realism?
Maybe it always has been. It's weird that we can call the prognosticators realists if they say the '04-'05 Suns winning only 35 games tops and are outlandish dreamers smoking something if they come with an optimistic view of 50 wins.
At the end of the season, if we win about 30 games, are you going to say that "the season was a complete disaster because a lot of things went very wrong," and call yourself an optimist?
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Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:49 pm
If they won 30 games last year, they still would have trailed the 14th team by 3 games. Winning only 30 games will be a complete disaster, imo. A lot a things would have to go very wrong if that happened.
I hate to be a dick about it, but I hate it even more when people start throwing around the optimist and pessimist labels to dismiss each other's point of view.
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