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Re: Suns News: Preseason 2019

Post by Superbone » Fri Oct 18, 2019 2:33 pm

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that is the attitude every player has (or should have) when their former team gives you away for nothing.
Yup. I don't think we gave him away only for performance issues. I'm guessing there must have been an attitude issue as well because James Jones cleaned house of particular players for a reason.
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Re: Suns News: Preseason 2019

Post by AmareIsGod » Fri Oct 18, 2019 2:53 pm

Superbone wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 2:33 pm
Indy wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 10:20 am
that is the attitude every player has (or should have) when their former team gives you away for nothing.
Yup. I don't think we gave him away only for performance issues. I'm guessing there must have been an attitude issue as well because James Jones cleaned house of particular players for a reason.
I think it's pretty straightforward. He missed a hell of a lot of games in his Suns career. That's why he was expendable.
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Re: Suns News: Preseason 2019

Post by Pips » Fri Oct 18, 2019 3:52 pm

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Can you imagine... a key reason that team didn't win a championship may be that Sarver is a f*** a****** and even the refs hate him. I wonder how different things would have been in Jerry waited 5 more years before selling. Ugh.
Key reasons was bad luck and Stern, that decade Spurs was his pets, ofc Sarver didnt help but this is smokescreen, and bad one. How to clear hand with good night story for kids.

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Re: Suns News: Preseason 2019

Post by Marty [Mori Chu] » Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:35 pm

AmareIsGod wrote:
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I think it's pretty straightforward. He missed a hell of a lot of games in his Suns career. That's why he was expendable.
And he did not play good defense. And he didn't pass. And he couldn't shoot 3s (though he improved on this a bit in his last season). And we wanted to use his cap space for other players and assets. Etc.

I liked TJ Warren, but he was an imperfect player. We decided to move on. I don't like giving away a pick to offload him, but I've accepted it and moved on.

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Re: Suns News: Preseason 2019

Post by Democritus » Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:54 pm

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Just a random question for you guys. I know that we have improved our starting five and I'm hopeful this year. But what about the defensive end? Is there a starting 5 in the NBA which is worse defensively than our 5 guys? I think that aspect of our team will determine our position in April.
Atlanta for sure. I can’t imagine the wizards, hornets, or Cavs having competent defenses either.
Also, defensively we are the worst team in the west. That can't be a good sign. Ayton and Booker need to step up their game in that department or we are doomed for another season.
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Re: Suns News: Preseason 2019

Post by Split T » Sat Oct 19, 2019 4:52 am

We actually might be better defensively than the Warriors...they’ll be pretty bad.

I think defense is hard to judge before you’ve seen them play though. We don’t have a lot of great individual defenders, but we have a lot of smart players and if Monty implements a good defensive system, we can be competent. Ayton is obviously the key piece though, he’ll have a good amount of control over how good we are defensively. That isn’t exactly reassuring, so that’s why I’d still expect a below average defense.

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Re: Suns News: Preseason 2019

Post by ShelC » Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:15 am

What's the record for shot blocking futility? I think we'll challenge for that record because I don't know who's getting any blocks. Not that blocks are the end all to defense, but we just lack any rim protection and intimidation. Ayton can at least be a presence but his rotations are almost always late. If he would just jump to the rim and stand with his arms up it'd go a long way.

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Re: Suns News: Preseason 2019

Post by Split T » Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:45 am

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What's the record for shot blocking futility? I think we'll challenge for that record because I don't know who's getting any blocks. Not that blocks are the end all to defense, but we just lack any rim protection and intimidation. Ayton can at least be a presence but his rotations are almost always late. If he would just jump to the rim and stand with his arms up it'd go a long way.
We don’t have any 1 person that will get a lot of blocks, but we’ve got a few who provide a little bit. Our situation isn’t any different from last season. Ayton will probably get a little over 1. Oubre and Bridges will pick up some blocks as well, probably both just under 1.

But unless Ayton takes a big step forward in this department, you’re right that we won’t have a true rim protector on the floor.

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Re: Suns News: Preseason 2019

Post by ShelC » Sat Oct 19, 2019 6:25 am

Last season we had Holmes off the bench who was the energy, shotblocking big we lack this year. He was blocking 1.1 in 16mpg. Baynes is a bigger, tougher defender but isn't an above the rim shotblocker. He's the positional defender we need Ayton to at least be. Frank is Frank and Diallo just kinda sucks at everything. Obviously I'd love a 6-10 3pt shooting, shotblocking starting PF but those aren't readily available. Truth is, we just need Ayton to be that guy.

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Re: Suns News: Preseason 2019

Post by Flagrant Fowl » Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:28 am

Holmes was one of the few bright spots last year, but I think Baynes is a better player for this team right now. He'll provide a lot more leadership and IQ than Holmes, and hopefully he'll help Ayton get better.
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Re: Suns News: Preseason 2019

Post by Superbone » Sat Oct 19, 2019 11:11 am

Split T wrote:
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Ayton will probably get a little over 1.
Along with his 0.45 FT attempts per game. ;)
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Re: Suns News: Preseason 2019

Post by O_Gardino » Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:27 pm

I think Baynes is a little better shot blocker than he's getting credit for here. Y'all are right that he's not an intimidator, but his actual block #'s aren't much below Holmes.

We may not lead the NBA in blocks, but I think we will get a ton of steals and deflections. Rubio, Bridges, and Oubre are proven thieves. And Ayton is surprisingly quick with his hands at times. He reminds me of Kurt Thomas when he is locked in on defending the post against another big.

Maybe other teams will play a lot of hero ball against us to avoid turning it over with a pass.
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Re: Suns News: Preseason 2019

Post by Split T » Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:58 pm

Superbone wrote:
Sat Oct 19, 2019 11:11 am
Split T wrote:
Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:45 am
Ayton will probably get a little over 1.
Along with his 0.45 FT attempts per game. ;)
Haha, I’m hoping he bumps to at least .75

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Re: Suns News: Preseason 2019

Post by bajanguy008 » Sat Oct 19, 2019 3:11 pm

I guess with all the jokes about Cam's age :roll: the maturity should be expected. Regardless I like his answers, mindset and want him to do well

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Re: Suns News: Preseason 2019

Post by Superbone » Sat Oct 19, 2019 3:31 pm

Split T wrote:
Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:58 pm
Superbone wrote:
Sat Oct 19, 2019 11:11 am
Split T wrote:
Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:45 am
Ayton will probably get a little over 1.
Along with his 0.45 FT attempts per game. ;)
Haha, I’m hoping he bumps to at least .75
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Re: Suns News: Preseason 2019

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Re: Suns News: Preseason 2019

Post by Democritus » Sat Oct 19, 2019 10:15 pm

Playoffs...really Monty? That would be ..ucking miracle! But why not? You are man of god, so you should know about miracles.
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Re: Suns News: Preseason 2019

Post by Aztec Sunsfan » Sat Oct 19, 2019 11:17 pm

If you shoot for the moon, you are bound to land among the stars

I like that mentality, you have to have aspirations, no matter how unlikely, play for something more than one game.

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Re: Suns News: Preseason 2019

Post by Flagrant Fowl » Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:25 am

Sometimes, if you shoot for the moon, you blow up on the launch pad.
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Re: Suns News: Preseason 2019

Post by Indy » Sun Oct 20, 2019 8:28 am

Split T wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 1:08 pm
Democritus wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 11:30 am
Just a random question for you guys. I know that we have improved our starting five and I'm hopeful this year. But what about the defensive end? Is there a starting 5 in the NBA which is worse defensively than our 5 guys? I think that aspect of our team will determine our position in April.
Atlanta for sure. I can’t imagine the wizards, hornets, or Cavs having competent defenses either.
I think those are all good examples. But I don't know if you could come up with a list worse than we are in the West. Maybe Memphis.

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