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Re: Game Day: Nuggets (2-0) @ Suns (2-1), Mon 10/14/19
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:27 am
by Indy
Split T wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 6:43 am
They might do it if we also took that disastrous Wiggins contract. That’s a lot of money coming back though, not sure we could have the salaries to match two max contracts. We’d probably have to include Oubre. Tyler, Oubre, Ayton, 1st for KAT/Wiggins? Do we need to include more?
Wiggins would be the highest paid player on the team.
That is a lot of contract to eat. I would probably still do it, though, which means they probably wouldn't. But it would save them 200M.
Re: Game Day: Nuggets (2-0) @ Suns (2-1), Mon 10/14/19
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:29 am
by O_Gardino
Any GM should have a sense of the value his players have around the league. Which teams value which players the most, etc. You've got to be ready to make a trade, even if you plan on keeping the guy for life.
Re: Game Day: Nuggets (2-0) @ Suns (2-1), Mon 10/14/19
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:47 am
by ShelC
Would not touch Wiggins' deal.
Re: Game Day: Nuggets (2-0) @ Suns (2-1), Mon 10/14/19
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:55 am
by Split T
ShelC wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:47 am
Would not touch Wiggins' deal.
I’m no fan, he’s got probably the 2nd worst contract in the league(only Wall is worse) but if it means we get KAT and keep Bridges?
Booker/Bridges/KAT is one heck of a core. We’d also have Rubio and Saric in the starting lineup still and Cam/Ty off the bench. Plus whatever we can manage to get out of Wiggins.
I wouldn’t make the trade right now, I want to see what Ayton does this year, but if come the all star break KAT is available and Ayton hasn’t risen to stardom, I’d make that offer. KAT is a legitimate top 5 offensive player in the league right now, and the best scoring Big.
Re: Game Day: Nuggets (2-0) @ Suns (2-1), Mon 10/14/19
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:58 am
by Mori Chu
I don't think we should have to take Wiggins to get KAT. We'd just have to include Ayton and other assets. They want to include Wiggins, then no deal, IMO.
Re: Game Day: Nuggets (2-0) @ Suns (2-1), Mon 10/14/19
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:04 am
by ShelC
Ehhhh. I'd have to see what the numbers/cap look like. With his deal plus Book's and KAT's, we'd be pretty handcuffed?
Re: Game Day: Nuggets (2-0) @ Suns (2-1), Mon 10/14/19
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 12:57 pm
by Aztec Sunsfan
Split T wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:55 am
ShelC wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:47 am
Would not touch Wiggins' deal.
I’m no fan, he’s got probably the 2nd worst contract in the league(only Wall is worse) but if it means we get KAT and keep Bridges?
Booker/Bridges/KAT is one heck of a core. We’d also have Rubio and Saric in the starting lineup still and Cam/Ty off the bench. Plus whatever we can manage to get out of Wiggins.
I wouldn’t make the trade right now, I want to see what Ayton does this year, but if come the all star break KAT is available and Ayton hasn’t risen to stardom, I’d make that offer. KAT is a legitimate top 5 offensive player in the league right now, and the best scoring Big.
THIS, fans always want to cover all the bases, but that’s not how trading works. If Ayton is not rising to stardom, Minny will have next to zero interest in trading his Franchise Center for him, even if it means getting rid of the Wiggins deal and the team is going nowhere (Let’s call it the Wall-Beal equivalence). But if Ayton is taking solid steps on the right direction, what benefit would the Suns take from trading him during his rookie contract for two monstrous max extensions, one of them total dead weight?
The moment to bring Kat on board was dealing the freshly obtained the N°1 Pick for him, but people was salivating on potential instead of banking on the sure thing, a motivated Booker-Towns combo would have been enough to avoid all of last year suffer and perhaps even for a playoff spot. It was briefly discussed here as me and a few others wanted a swap as simple as possible, and the board proceed to destroy the guy, now we want him for a bigger package!!!
But only if our asset is underachieving and theirs keep his value, ice cream on top as well?
Re: Game Day: Nuggets (2-0) @ Suns (2-1), Mon 10/14/19
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 2:31 pm
by Superbone
Aztec Sunsfan wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 12:57 pm
Split T wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:55 am
ShelC wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:47 am
Would not touch Wiggins' deal.
I’m no fan, he’s got probably the 2nd worst contract in the league(only Wall is worse) but if it means we get KAT and keep Bridges?
Booker/Bridges/KAT is one heck of a core. We’d also have Rubio and Saric in the starting lineup still and Cam/Ty off the bench. Plus whatever we can manage to get out of Wiggins.
I wouldn’t make the trade right now, I want to see what Ayton does this year, but if come the all star break KAT is available and Ayton hasn’t risen to stardom, I’d make that offer. KAT is a legitimate top 5 offensive player in the league right now, and the best scoring Big.
THIS, fans always want to cover all the bases, but that’s not how trading works. If Ayton is not rising to stardom, Minny will have next to zero interest in trading his Franchise Center for him, even if it means getting rid of the Wiggins deal and the team is going nowhere (Let’s call it the Wall-Beal equivalence). But if Ayton is taking solid steps on the right direction, what benefit would the Suns take from trading him during his rookie contract for two monstrous max extensions, one of them total dead weight?
The moment to bring Kat on board was dealing the freshly obtained the N°1 Pick for him, but people was salivating on potential instead of banking on the sure thing, a motivated Booker-Towns combo would have been enough to avoid all of last year suffer and perhaps even for a playoff spot. It was briefly discussed here as me and a few others wanted a swap as simple as possible, and the board proceed to destroy the guy, now we want him for a bigger package!!!
But only if our asset is underachieving and theirs keep his value, ice cream on top as well?
Don't forget the whip cream, Az!
Re: Game Day: Nuggets (2-0) @ Suns (2-1), Mon 10/14/19
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 3:23 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
ShelC wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:04 am
Ehhhh. I'd have to see what the numbers/cap look like. With his deal plus Book's and KAT's, we'd be pretty handcuffed?
We'd be handcuffed with Ayton, which is my original point about trying to figure it out before the max contract talk starts to build.
Re: Game Day: Nuggets (2-0) @ Suns (2-1), Mon 10/14/19
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 3:25 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
Aztec Sunsfan wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 12:57 pm
The moment to bring Kat on board was dealing the freshly obtained the N°1 Pick for him, but people was salivating on potential instead of banking on the sure thing, a motivated Booker-Towns combo would have been enough to avoid all of last year suffer and perhaps even for a playoff spot. It was briefly discussed here as me and a few others wanted a swap as simple as possible, and the board proceed to destroy the guy, now we want him for a bigger package!!!
But only if our asset is underachieving and theirs keep his value, ice cream on top as well?
Don't look at me. I wanted Luka.
Re: Game Day: Nuggets (2-0) @ Suns (2-1), Mon 10/14/19
Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:07 am
by Aztec Sunsfan
Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 3:25 pm
Aztec Sunsfan wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 12:57 pm
The moment to bring Kat on board was dealing the freshly obtained the N°1 Pick for him, but people was salivating on potential instead of banking on the sure thing, a motivated Booker-Towns combo would have been enough to avoid all of last year suffer and perhaps even for a playoff spot. It was briefly discussed here as me and a few others wanted a swap as simple as possible, and the board proceed to destroy the guy, now we want him for a bigger package!!!
But only if our asset is underachieving and theirs keep his value, ice cream on top as well?
Don't look at me. I wanted Luka.
Me too, but I will root for DeAndre,as I did for Bender, and as I did for Len... oh, wait...
Re: Game Day: Nuggets (2-0) @ Suns (2-1), Mon 10/14/19
Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2019 2:12 am
by Danimal
A few days late to this one. I’ll just say the suns just a look more watchable. Much better ball movement. We missed some good looks in this one.
Re: Game Day: Nuggets (2-0) @ Suns (2-1), Mon 10/14/19
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:25 pm
by Ring_Wanted
Way more watchable. The 2-2 record is a little deceiving as we were blown out by Denver and you are not gooig to set franchise records of 3pf made very often. But yeah, being competitive is within reach.
Re: Game Day: Nuggets (2-0) @ Suns (2-1), Mon 10/14/19
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:31 pm
by Superbone
Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:25 pm
Way more watchable. The 2-2 record is a little deceiving as we were blown out by Denver and you are not gooig to set franchise records of 3pf made very often. But yeah, being competitive is within reach.
Even the Denver blow out was much more fun to watch than our debacles in the past where it looked like we weren't even trying. Denver is just the better, more experienced team at the moment. Most likely one of the best of the West.
Re: Game Day: Nuggets (2-0) @ Suns (2-1), Mon 10/14/19
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 2:56 pm
by In2ition
We'll get to see Denver again in the 2nd game of the year. We'll see if the young Suns learned anything from that last game. It's interesting that the two games lost in preseason are to the teams the Suns play in the first 2 games of the season.
Re: Game Day: Nuggets (2-0) @ Suns (2-1), Mon 10/14/19
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 3:03 pm
by Superbone
In2ition wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 2:56 pm
We'll get to see Denver again in the 2nd game of the year. We'll see if the young Suns learned anything from that last game. It's interesting that the two games lost in preseason are to the teams the Suns play in the first 2 games of the season.
I don't expect to beat Denver but we need to beat Sac in our home opener.
Re: Game Day: Nuggets (2-0) @ Suns (2-1), Mon 10/14/19
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 3:12 pm
by In2ition
Superbone wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 3:03 pm
In2ition wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 2:56 pm
We'll get to see Denver again in the 2nd game of the year. We'll see if the young Suns learned anything from that last game. It's interesting that the two games lost in preseason are to the teams the Suns play in the first 2 games of the season.
I don't expect to beat Denver but we need to beat Sac in our home opener.
I agree. It would be cool, but I don't expect it at all. In fact, the next night against the Clippers I don't expect as a win either. So they could be 0-3 or 1-2 by Sunday.
Re: Game Day: Nuggets (2-0) @ Suns (2-1), Mon 10/14/19
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 3:15 pm
by Superbone
In2ition wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 3:12 pm
Superbone wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 3:03 pm
In2ition wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 2:56 pm
We'll get to see Denver again in the 2nd game of the year. We'll see if the young Suns learned anything from that last game. It's interesting that the two games lost in preseason are to the teams the Suns play in the first 2 games of the season.
I don't expect to beat Denver but we need to beat Sac in our home opener.
I agree. It would be cool, but I don't expect it at all. In fact, the next night against the Clippers I don't expect as a win either. So they could be 0-3 or 1-2 by Sunday.
That's why we really need that first one. OTOH, it would feel just like last year when we beat the Mavs in our home opener. Except we know better now.
Re: Game Day: Nuggets (2-0) @ Suns (2-1), Mon 10/14/19
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 3:36 pm
by In2ition
Superbone wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 3:15 pm
In2ition wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 3:12 pm
Superbone wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 3:03 pm
In2ition wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 2:56 pm
We'll get to see Denver again in the 2nd game of the year. We'll see if the young Suns learned anything from that last game. It's interesting that the two games lost in preseason are to the teams the Suns play in the first 2 games of the season.
I don't expect to beat Denver but we need to beat Sac in our home opener.
I agree. It would be cool, but I don't expect it at all. In fact, the next night against the Clippers I don't expect as a win either. So they could be 0-3 or 1-2 by Sunday.
That's why we really need that first one. OTOH, it would feel just like last year when we beat the Mavs in our home opener. Except we know better now.
True. They can't drop the first 3 and get down on themselves like last year when they went on a big skid.