Oubre or Mikal Bridges as starting small forward?

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Re: Oubre or Mikal Bridges as starting small forward?

Post by ShelC » Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:46 am

I think Ayton's body, athleticism, offensive skillset (right now) and rebounding are similar to Patrick Ewing. He'll never be KAT or AD. LMA is a decent comparison but Ayton's size and rebounding makes him that much more valuable, even if he's deemed "not impactful". He can sleepwalk his way to 20/10. The question is, and will be, his defense.

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Re: Oubre or Mikal Bridges as starting small forward?

Post by Cap » Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:37 am

Indy wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:23 am
Split T wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 6:40 am
I’ve started looking at Ayton as a LaMarcus Aldridge type player. It’s easier to envision him having that type of career than turning into KAT/Embiid. Now if he becomes KAT/Embiid, I’ll be pleasantly surprised.
That is probably a fair comparison. But nobody is scared of LMA. You might game-plan around him a bit, but if he is the best player on the other team, you like you chances. I am hoping he comes in and proves me completely wrong. I want him to show he can change a game on both ends of the floor.
I sure wouldn’t take LMA over Luka.
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Re: Oubre or Mikal Bridges as starting small forward?

Post by specialsauce » Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:45 am

Cap wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:37 am
Indy wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:23 am
Split T wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 6:40 am
I’ve started looking at Ayton as a LaMarcus Aldridge type player. It’s easier to envision him having that type of career than turning into KAT/Embiid. Now if he becomes KAT/Embiid, I’ll be pleasantly surprised.
That is probably a fair comparison. But nobody is scared of LMA. You might game-plan around him a bit, but if he is the best player on the other team, you like you chances. I am hoping he comes in and proves me completely wrong. I want him to show he can change a game on both ends of the floor.
I sure wouldn’t take LMA over Luka.
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Re: Oubre or Mikal Bridges as starting small forward?

Post by Superbone » Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:56 am

Indy wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:35 am
Wally_West wrote:
Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:40 pm
I just think this Ayton criticism so overblown. He has only been in the league 1 year and preseason with a whole new cast of characters, where he played limited minutes with key players missing every game. I get wanting Ayton to be super aggressive but that just may never be him. Is that really the end of the world though? He probably would have average 20pts last year if that team was just mediocre at passing. The dude is so gifted offensively already, if his defense can just be mediocre then the dude is gonna be a regular at the all-star game. If he getting 20-25pts consistently then does it really matter if it’s by mid-range shots and lay-ups instead of monstrous dunks? As long as he is efficient and effective, I don’t care what he says before or after games.
Well TJ Warren was averaging 20 points per game for us before and it didn't impact the game at all. That is what I am worried about with Ayton. Getting 20 and 12 but having no impact would not be a good outcome. I hope that changes and see ways it certainly can, but not without him being aggressive. You see it in his FTA numbers, too. He only shot 2.7 free throws per game last year, even though he took over 12 shots a game. Other bigs on our team last year were much higher per FGA and per minute. On a per-minute basis, he shot 11th most FTA per game, while he was third highest in minutes and 2nd highest in FGAs.
He shot 0 FTs this preseason. That's mind boggling.
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Re: Oubre or Mikal Bridges as starting small forward?

Post by Superbone » Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:57 am

specialsauce wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:45 am
Cap wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:37 am
Indy wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:23 am
Split T wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 6:40 am
I’ve started looking at Ayton as a LaMarcus Aldridge type player. It’s easier to envision him having that type of career than turning into KAT/Embiid. Now if he becomes KAT/Embiid, I’ll be pleasantly surprised.
That is probably a fair comparison. But nobody is scared of LMA. You might game-plan around him a bit, but if he is the best player on the other team, you like you chances. I am hoping he comes in and proves me completely wrong. I want him to show he can change a game on both ends of the floor.
I sure wouldn’t take LMA over Luka.
Old take man, get with the times it is what it is! Don’t bust out a stale chip!
Yeah, that was gross. Still trying to get that aftertaste out of my mouth.
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Re: Oubre or Mikal Bridges as starting small forward?

Post by Indy » Fri Oct 18, 2019 10:22 am

Superbone wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:57 am
specialsauce wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:45 am
Cap wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:37 am
Indy wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:23 am
Split T wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 6:40 am
I’ve started looking at Ayton as a LaMarcus Aldridge type player. It’s easier to envision him having that type of career than turning into KAT/Embiid. Now if he becomes KAT/Embiid, I’ll be pleasantly surprised.
That is probably a fair comparison. But nobody is scared of LMA. You might game-plan around him a bit, but if he is the best player on the other team, you like you chances. I am hoping he comes in and proves me completely wrong. I want him to show he can change a game on both ends of the floor.
I sure wouldn’t take LMA over Luka.
Old take man, get with the times it is what it is! Don’t bust out a stale chip!
Yeah, that was gross. Still trying to get that aftertaste out of my mouth.
This will go down as the new thing we talk about instead of Joe Johnson.

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Re: Oubre or Mikal Bridges as starting small forward?

Post by Indy » Fri Oct 18, 2019 10:22 am

Superbone wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:56 am
Indy wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:35 am
Wally_West wrote:
Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:40 pm
I just think this Ayton criticism so overblown. He has only been in the league 1 year and preseason with a whole new cast of characters, where he played limited minutes with key players missing every game. I get wanting Ayton to be super aggressive but that just may never be him. Is that really the end of the world though? He probably would have average 20pts last year if that team was just mediocre at passing. The dude is so gifted offensively already, if his defense can just be mediocre then the dude is gonna be a regular at the all-star game. If he getting 20-25pts consistently then does it really matter if it’s by mid-range shots and lay-ups instead of monstrous dunks? As long as he is efficient and effective, I don’t care what he says before or after games.
Well TJ Warren was averaging 20 points per game for us before and it didn't impact the game at all. That is what I am worried about with Ayton. Getting 20 and 12 but having no impact would not be a good outcome. I hope that changes and see ways it certainly can, but not without him being aggressive. You see it in his FTA numbers, too. He only shot 2.7 free throws per game last year, even though he took over 12 shots a game. Other bigs on our team last year were much higher per FGA and per minute. On a per-minute basis, he shot 11th most FTA per game, while he was third highest in minutes and 2nd highest in FGAs.
He shot 0 FTs this preseason. That's mind boggling.
Agreed. It is just really scary.

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Re: Oubre or Mikal Bridges as starting small forward?

Post by Split T » Fri Oct 18, 2019 12:45 pm

Superbone wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:56 am
Indy wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:35 am
Wally_West wrote:
Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:40 pm
I just think this Ayton criticism so overblown. He has only been in the league 1 year and preseason with a whole new cast of characters, where he played limited minutes with key players missing every game. I get wanting Ayton to be super aggressive but that just may never be him. Is that really the end of the world though? He probably would have average 20pts last year if that team was just mediocre at passing. The dude is so gifted offensively already, if his defense can just be mediocre then the dude is gonna be a regular at the all-star game. If he getting 20-25pts consistently then does it really matter if it’s by mid-range shots and lay-ups instead of monstrous dunks? As long as he is efficient and effective, I don’t care what he says before or after games.
Well TJ Warren was averaging 20 points per game for us before and it didn't impact the game at all. That is what I am worried about with Ayton. Getting 20 and 12 but having no impact would not be a good outcome. I hope that changes and see ways it certainly can, but not without him being aggressive. You see it in his FTA numbers, too. He only shot 2.7 free throws per game last year, even though he took over 12 shots a game. Other bigs on our team last year were much higher per FGA and per minute. On a per-minute basis, he shot 11th most FTA per game, while he was third highest in minutes and 2nd highest in FGAs.
He shot 0 FTs this preseason. That's mind boggling.
Not really. It’s obviously not ideal, but he played 3 games and only played half the games. If he’s going multiple games in the regular season, then I’ll consider it a problem.

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Re: Oubre or Mikal Bridges as starting small forward?

Post by Superbone » Fri Oct 18, 2019 2:29 pm

Split T wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 12:45 pm
Superbone wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:56 am
Indy wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:35 am
Wally_West wrote:
Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:40 pm
I just think this Ayton criticism so overblown. He has only been in the league 1 year and preseason with a whole new cast of characters, where he played limited minutes with key players missing every game. I get wanting Ayton to be super aggressive but that just may never be him. Is that really the end of the world though? He probably would have average 20pts last year if that team was just mediocre at passing. The dude is so gifted offensively already, if his defense can just be mediocre then the dude is gonna be a regular at the all-star game. If he getting 20-25pts consistently then does it really matter if it’s by mid-range shots and lay-ups instead of monstrous dunks? As long as he is efficient and effective, I don’t care what he says before or after games.
Well TJ Warren was averaging 20 points per game for us before and it didn't impact the game at all. That is what I am worried about with Ayton. Getting 20 and 12 but having no impact would not be a good outcome. I hope that changes and see ways it certainly can, but not without him being aggressive. You see it in his FTA numbers, too. He only shot 2.7 free throws per game last year, even though he took over 12 shots a game. Other bigs on our team last year were much higher per FGA and per minute. On a per-minute basis, he shot 11th most FTA per game, while he was third highest in minutes and 2nd highest in FGAs.
He shot 0 FTs this preseason. That's mind boggling.
Not really. It’s obviously not ideal, but he played 3 games and only played half the games. If he’s going multiple games in the regular season, then I’ll consider it a problem.
So, why shouldn't he have had half the FTs?
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Re: Oubre or Mikal Bridges as starting small forward?

Post by Mori Chu » Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:26 pm

I am not going to read into preseason numbers like that. Maybe Ayton didn't want to bang around and risk his body during the meaningless preseason. What's the point of that?

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Re: Oubre or Mikal Bridges as starting small forward?

Post by Split T » Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:49 pm

Superbone wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 2:29 pm
Split T wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 12:45 pm
Superbone wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:56 am
Indy wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:35 am
Wally_West wrote:
Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:40 pm
I just think this Ayton criticism so overblown. He has only been in the league 1 year and preseason with a whole new cast of characters, where he played limited minutes with key players missing every game. I get wanting Ayton to be super aggressive but that just may never be him. Is that really the end of the world though? He probably would have average 20pts last year if that team was just mediocre at passing. The dude is so gifted offensively already, if his defense can just be mediocre then the dude is gonna be a regular at the all-star game. If he getting 20-25pts consistently then does it really matter if it’s by mid-range shots and lay-ups instead of monstrous dunks? As long as he is efficient and effective, I don’t care what he says before or after games.
Well TJ Warren was averaging 20 points per game for us before and it didn't impact the game at all. That is what I am worried about with Ayton. Getting 20 and 12 but having no impact would not be a good outcome. I hope that changes and see ways it certainly can, but not without him being aggressive. You see it in his FTA numbers, too. He only shot 2.7 free throws per game last year, even though he took over 12 shots a game. Other bigs on our team last year were much higher per FGA and per minute. On a per-minute basis, he shot 11th most FTA per game, while he was third highest in minutes and 2nd highest in FGAs.
He shot 0 FTs this preseason. That's mind boggling.
Not really. It’s obviously not ideal, but he played 3 games and only played half the games. If he’s going multiple games in the regular season, then I’ll consider it a problem.
So, why shouldn't he have had half the FTs?
He took 2.7 FTA per game last year. So 1.3 would be half. Over 3 games that would be 4 free throws. It’s mind boggling to you that he took 4 less free throws than expected?

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Re: Oubre or Mikal Bridges as starting small forward?

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Rk                 Player  Season Age  Tm  Lg   MP  FTA  G GS  FG  FGA  2P  2PA 3P 3PA  FT FTA ORB DRB  TRB AST STL BLK TOV  PF  PTS  FG%  2P%  3P% eFG%  FT%  TS%
1         Shaquille ONeal 1992-93  20 ORL NBA 3071 11.7 81 81 733 1304 733 1302  0   2 427 721 342 780 1122 152  60 286 307 321 1893 .562 .563 .000 .562 .592 .584
2           Steven Hunter 2001-02  20 ORL NBA  516  9.4 53 21  67  147  67  147  0   0  55  94  40  57   97   5   5  43  16  81  189 .456      .456 .456 .585 .502
3          Tyson Chandler 2001-02  19 CHI NBA 1389  8.5 71 31 151  304 151  304  0   0 134 222 114 229  343  54  28  93  99 179  436 .497      .497 .497 .604 .543
4           Dwight Howard 2004-05  19 ORL NBA 2670  7.8 82 82 352  677 352  675  0   2 277 413 287 536  823  75  77 136 165 232  981 .520 .521 .000 .520 .671 .571
5              Eddy Curry 2001-02  19 CHI NBA 1150  7.4 72 31 189  377 189  377  0   0 105 160 111 161  272  25  16  53  69 173  483 .501      .501 .501 .656 .540
6          DeAndre Jordan 2008-09  20 LAC NBA  771  7.4 53 13  93  147  93  147  0   0  42 109  72 165  237  11  11  59  41  96  228 .633      .633 .633 .385 .585
7           Zaza Pachulia 2003-04  19 ORL NBA  664  7.2 59  2  68  175  68  175  0   0  58  90  69 105  174  13  21  12  34  87  194 .389      .389 .389 .644 .452
8          Andre Drummond 2012-13  19 DET NBA 1243  6.8 60 10 208  342 207  340  1   2  59 159 169 288  457  30  59  95  57 144  476 .608 .609 .500 .610 .371 .578
9         Jonas Valaninas 2012-13  20 TOR NBA 1482  6.6 62 57 204  366 204  366  0   0 146 185 121 251  372  45  17  78  94 188  554 .557      .557 .557 .789 .619
10            Enes Kanter 2011-12  19 UTA NBA  874  6.3 66  0 117  236 117  235  0   1  70 105 107 171  278   8  18  23  54  87  304 .496 .498 .000 .496 .667 .539
11            Jusuf Nurki 2014-15  20 DEN NBA 1103  6.0 62 27 171  383 171  381  0   2  84 132 125 257  382  50  52  68  86 207  426 .446 .449 .000 .446 .636 .483
12         Dalibor Bagari 2000-01  20 CHI NBA  259  5.8 35  0  17   65  17   64  0   1  13  28  22  34   56  10   9  16  21  44   47 .262 .266 .000 .262 .464 .304
13           Steven Adams 2013-14  20 OKC NBA 1197  5.7 81 20  93  185  93  185  0   0  79 136 142 190  332  43  40  57  71 203  265 .503      .503 .503 .581 .541
14            Robin Lopez 2008-09  20 PHO NBA  614  5.5 60  7  71  137  71  136  0   1  47  68  52  66  118   8  11  41  28  97  189 .518 .522 .000 .518 .691 .566
15          Andris Biedri 2004-05  18 GSW NBA  384  5.4 30  1  45   78  45   77  0   1  19  40  47  71  118  12  12  24  12  87  109 .577 .584 .000 .577 .475 .570
16         Wendell Carter 2018-19  19 CHI NBA 1110  4.9 44 44 180  371 174  339  6  32  89 112  87 220  307  78  26  58  65 152  455 .485 .513 .188 .493 .795 .541
17      Mitchell Robinson 2018-19  20 NYK NBA 1360  4.8 66 19 202  291 202  291  0   0  81 135 177 246  423  37  52 161  35 217  485 .694      .694 .694 .600 .692
18           Jeremy Tyler 2011-12  20 GSW NBA  568  4.8 42 23  88  209  88  208  0   1  29  52  54  86  140  16  16  20  36  84  205 .421 .423 .000 .421 .558 .442
19           Kosta Koufos 2008-09  19 UTA NBA  565  4.7 48  7  94  185  94  185  0   0  36  51  50  88  138  20  12  31  26  70  224 .508      .508 .508 .706 .540
20            Brook Lopez 2008-09  20 NJN NBA 2501  4.6 82 75 448  844 448  842  0   2 172 217 225 440  665  86  44 151 147 257 1068 .531 .532 .000 .531 .793 .568
21               Alex Len 2013-14  20 PHO NBA  362  4.3 42  3  33   78  33   78  0   0  20  31  39  60   99   4   4  18  26  68   86 .423      .423 .423 .645 .469
22           Andrew Bynum 2005-06  18 LAL NBA  338  4.2 46  0  33   82  33   82  0   0   8  27  34  46   80   9   4  22  17  56   74 .402      .402 .402 .296 .394
23          Deandre Ayton 2018-19  20 PHO NBA 2183  4.1 71 70 509  870 509  866  0   4 141 189 223 506  729 125  61  67 126 209 1159 .585 .588 .000 .585 .746 .608
24          Mohamed Bamba 2018-19  20 ORL NBA  766  4.0 47  1 117  243  96  173 21  70  37  63  64 169  233  39  13  64  43 102  292 .481 .555 .300 .525 .587 .539
25            Ivica Zubac 2016-17  19 LAL NBA  609  3.9 38 11 126  238 126  235  0   3  32  49  41 118  159  30  14  33  30  66  284 .529 .536 .000 .529 .653 .547
26            Johan Petro 2005-06  20 SEA NBA 1282  3.1 68 41 153  300 153  300  0   0  47  75 109 187  296  15  25  51  60 213  353 .510      .510 .510 .627 .530
27           Maciej Lampe 2003-04  18 PHO NBA  224  3.0 21  0  43   88  43   84  0   4  10  13   9  35   44   9   3   3  15  28   96 .489 .512 .000 .489 .769 .512
28        Olumide Oyedeji 2000-01  19 SEA NBA  221  2.8 30  1  18   37  18   37  0   0   9  12  24  43   67   2   7  10  11  40   45 .486      .486 .486 .750 .532
29   Georgios Papagiannis 2016-17  19 SAC NBA  355  2.0 22  0  56  102  56  100  0   2  12  14  24  62   86  20   3  17  24  44  124 .549 .560 .000 .549 .857 .573
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Generated 10/18/2019.

Pretty pathetic.
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Re: Oubre or Mikal Bridges as starting small forward?

Post by JeremyG » Fri Oct 18, 2019 6:36 pm

Indy wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 10:22 am
Superbone wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:57 am
specialsauce wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:45 am
Cap wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:37 am
Indy wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:23 am


That is probably a fair comparison. But nobody is scared of LMA. You might game-plan around him a bit, but if he is the best player on the other team, you like you chances. I am hoping he comes in and proves me completely wrong. I want him to show he can change a game on both ends of the floor.
I sure wouldn’t take LMA over Luka.
Old take man, get with the times it is what it is! Don’t bust out a stale chip!
Yeah, that was gross. Still trying to get that aftertaste out of my mouth.
This will go down as the new thing we talk about instead of Joe Johnson.
I refuse to stop talking about Joe Johnson until we win a championship.

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Re: Oubre or Mikal Bridges as starting small forward?

Post by Superbone » Fri Oct 18, 2019 6:43 pm

Cap wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 6:13 pm
Young rookie centers, ranked by free throw rate:

Code: Select all

                                                                                                                                                                  
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Rk                 Player  Season Age  Tm  Lg   MP  FTA  G GS  FG  FGA  2P  2PA 3P 3PA  FT FTA ORB DRB  TRB AST STL BLK TOV  PF  PTS  FG%  2P%  3P% eFG%  FT%  TS%
1         Shaquille ONeal 1992-93  20 ORL NBA 3071 11.7 81 81 733 1304 733 1302  0   2 427 721 342 780 1122 152  60 286 307 321 1893 .562 .563 .000 .562 .592 .584
2           Steven Hunter 2001-02  20 ORL NBA  516  9.4 53 21  67  147  67  147  0   0  55  94  40  57   97   5   5  43  16  81  189 .456      .456 .456 .585 .502
3          Tyson Chandler 2001-02  19 CHI NBA 1389  8.5 71 31 151  304 151  304  0   0 134 222 114 229  343  54  28  93  99 179  436 .497      .497 .497 .604 .543
4           Dwight Howard 2004-05  19 ORL NBA 2670  7.8 82 82 352  677 352  675  0   2 277 413 287 536  823  75  77 136 165 232  981 .520 .521 .000 .520 .671 .571
5              Eddy Curry 2001-02  19 CHI NBA 1150  7.4 72 31 189  377 189  377  0   0 105 160 111 161  272  25  16  53  69 173  483 .501      .501 .501 .656 .540
6          DeAndre Jordan 2008-09  20 LAC NBA  771  7.4 53 13  93  147  93  147  0   0  42 109  72 165  237  11  11  59  41  96  228 .633      .633 .633 .385 .585
7           Zaza Pachulia 2003-04  19 ORL NBA  664  7.2 59  2  68  175  68  175  0   0  58  90  69 105  174  13  21  12  34  87  194 .389      .389 .389 .644 .452
8          Andre Drummond 2012-13  19 DET NBA 1243  6.8 60 10 208  342 207  340  1   2  59 159 169 288  457  30  59  95  57 144  476 .608 .609 .500 .610 .371 .578
9         Jonas Valaninas 2012-13  20 TOR NBA 1482  6.6 62 57 204  366 204  366  0   0 146 185 121 251  372  45  17  78  94 188  554 .557      .557 .557 .789 .619
10            Enes Kanter 2011-12  19 UTA NBA  874  6.3 66  0 117  236 117  235  0   1  70 105 107 171  278   8  18  23  54  87  304 .496 .498 .000 .496 .667 .539
11            Jusuf Nurki 2014-15  20 DEN NBA 1103  6.0 62 27 171  383 171  381  0   2  84 132 125 257  382  50  52  68  86 207  426 .446 .449 .000 .446 .636 .483
12         Dalibor Bagari 2000-01  20 CHI NBA  259  5.8 35  0  17   65  17   64  0   1  13  28  22  34   56  10   9  16  21  44   47 .262 .266 .000 .262 .464 .304
13           Steven Adams 2013-14  20 OKC NBA 1197  5.7 81 20  93  185  93  185  0   0  79 136 142 190  332  43  40  57  71 203  265 .503      .503 .503 .581 .541
14            Robin Lopez 2008-09  20 PHO NBA  614  5.5 60  7  71  137  71  136  0   1  47  68  52  66  118   8  11  41  28  97  189 .518 .522 .000 .518 .691 .566
15          Andris Biedri 2004-05  18 GSW NBA  384  5.4 30  1  45   78  45   77  0   1  19  40  47  71  118  12  12  24  12  87  109 .577 .584 .000 .577 .475 .570
16         Wendell Carter 2018-19  19 CHI NBA 1110  4.9 44 44 180  371 174  339  6  32  89 112  87 220  307  78  26  58  65 152  455 .485 .513 .188 .493 .795 .541
17      Mitchell Robinson 2018-19  20 NYK NBA 1360  4.8 66 19 202  291 202  291  0   0  81 135 177 246  423  37  52 161  35 217  485 .694      .694 .694 .600 .692
18           Jeremy Tyler 2011-12  20 GSW NBA  568  4.8 42 23  88  209  88  208  0   1  29  52  54  86  140  16  16  20  36  84  205 .421 .423 .000 .421 .558 .442
19           Kosta Koufos 2008-09  19 UTA NBA  565  4.7 48  7  94  185  94  185  0   0  36  51  50  88  138  20  12  31  26  70  224 .508      .508 .508 .706 .540
20            Brook Lopez 2008-09  20 NJN NBA 2501  4.6 82 75 448  844 448  842  0   2 172 217 225 440  665  86  44 151 147 257 1068 .531 .532 .000 .531 .793 .568
21               Alex Len 2013-14  20 PHO NBA  362  4.3 42  3  33   78  33   78  0   0  20  31  39  60   99   4   4  18  26  68   86 .423      .423 .423 .645 .469
22           Andrew Bynum 2005-06  18 LAL NBA  338  4.2 46  0  33   82  33   82  0   0   8  27  34  46   80   9   4  22  17  56   74 .402      .402 .402 .296 .394
23          Deandre Ayton 2018-19  20 PHO NBA 2183  4.1 71 70 509  870 509  866  0   4 141 189 223 506  729 125  61  67 126 209 1159 .585 .588 .000 .585 .746 .608
24          Mohamed Bamba 2018-19  20 ORL NBA  766  4.0 47  1 117  243  96  173 21  70  37  63  64 169  233  39  13  64  43 102  292 .481 .555 .300 .525 .587 .539
25            Ivica Zubac 2016-17  19 LAL NBA  609  3.9 38 11 126  238 126  235  0   3  32  49  41 118  159  30  14  33  30  66  284 .529 .536 .000 .529 .653 .547
26            Johan Petro 2005-06  20 SEA NBA 1282  3.1 68 41 153  300 153  300  0   0  47  75 109 187  296  15  25  51  60 213  353 .510      .510 .510 .627 .530
27           Maciej Lampe 2003-04  18 PHO NBA  224  3.0 21  0  43   88  43   84  0   4  10  13   9  35   44   9   3   3  15  28   96 .489 .512 .000 .489 .769 .512
28        Olumide Oyedeji 2000-01  19 SEA NBA  221  2.8 30  1  18   37  18   37  0   0   9  12  24  43   67   2   7  10  11  40   45 .486      .486 .486 .750 .532
29   Georgios Papagiannis 2016-17  19 SAC NBA  355  2.0 22  0  56  102  56  100  0   2  12  14  24  62   86  20   3  17  24  44  124 .549 .560 .000 .549 .857 .573
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Generated 10/18/2019.

Pretty pathetic.
Yeah, I'd say that's mind boggling for a guy of his size and strength.
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Re: Oubre or Mikal Bridges as starting small forward?

Post by Superbone » Fri Oct 18, 2019 6:46 pm

Split T wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:49 pm
Superbone wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 2:29 pm
Split T wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 12:45 pm
Superbone wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:56 am
Indy wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:35 am


Well TJ Warren was averaging 20 points per game for us before and it didn't impact the game at all. That is what I am worried about with Ayton. Getting 20 and 12 but having no impact would not be a good outcome. I hope that changes and see ways it certainly can, but not without him being aggressive. You see it in his FTA numbers, too. He only shot 2.7 free throws per game last year, even though he took over 12 shots a game. Other bigs on our team last year were much higher per FGA and per minute. On a per-minute basis, he shot 11th most FTA per game, while he was third highest in minutes and 2nd highest in FGAs.
He shot 0 FTs this preseason. That's mind boggling.
Not really. It’s obviously not ideal, but he played 3 games and only played half the games. If he’s going multiple games in the regular season, then I’ll consider it a problem.
So, why shouldn't he have had half the FTs?
He took 2.7 FTA per game last year. So 1.3 would be half. Over 3 games that would be 4 free throws. It’s mind boggling to you that he took 4 less free throws than expected?
Yeah, that's exactly what I said. Besides, you can't take less if you didn't take any.
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Re: Oubre or Mikal Bridges as starting small forward?

Post by specialsauce » Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:06 pm

JeremyG wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 6:36 pm
Indy wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 10:22 am
Superbone wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:57 am
specialsauce wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:45 am
Cap wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:37 am


I sure wouldn’t take LMA over Luka.
Old take man, get with the times it is what it is! Don’t bust out a stale chip!
Yeah, that was gross. Still trying to get that aftertaste out of my mouth.
This will go down as the new thing we talk about instead of Joe Johnson.
I refuse to stop talking about Joe Johnson until we win a championship.
Lol

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Re: Oubre or Mikal Bridges as starting small forward?

Post by bajanguy008 » Sat Oct 19, 2019 6:21 pm

https://twitter.com/DuaneRankin/status/1185676696227237888

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Re: Oubre or Mikal Bridges as starting small forward?

Post by Superbone » Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:34 pm

Wow, that was quite the line! Thought it would never end.
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Re: Oubre or Mikal Bridges as starting small forward?

Post by Aztec Sunsfan » Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:46 pm

Superbone wrote:
Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:34 pm
Wow, that was quite the line! Thought it would never end.
And I read you before watching it and tought you were making fun of it...

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Re: Oubre or Mikal Bridges as starting small forward?

Post by Superbone » Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:00 pm

Aztec Sunsfan wrote:
Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:46 pm
Superbone wrote:
Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:34 pm
Wow, that was quite the line! Thought it would never end.
And I read you before watching it and tought you were making fun of it...
Nope, dead serious. Glad to see so many hard core fans taking to it.
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