Ayton Possible 25 Game Suspension

Discussion of the league and of our favorite team.
User avatar
specialsauce
Posts: 3484
Joined: Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:45 pm

Re: Ayton Possible 25 Game Suspension

Post by specialsauce » Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:38 pm

O_Gardino wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:25 pm
Superbone wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:16 pm
Cap wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:45 am
Superbone wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:30 am
jonh wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:43 am
If there was something positive to report, it would have already been reported.
How about just something. Anything.
There is nothing to report. He’ll be back on Dec 14th.
What happened in arbitration?
I think it's safe to assume the case didn't go to arbitration.

And, as much as I would like to know all the details, I'm glad the national media hasn't latched on to the story. No news is better than positive confirmation that Ayton was taking PEDs.
What I’ve heard (not 100%) is that he was trying to hide weed. Just a dumb kid needing to grow up in all aspects of life quickly. Just don’t smoke it as long as your employer doesn’t allow it. Then compounds that poor judgment by trying to hide it with a diuretic without doing his research.

User avatar
Superbone
Posts: 15787
Joined: Wed Feb 26, 2014 11:44 am
Location: Escondido, CA (Phoenix Native)

Re: Ayton Possible 25 Game Suspension

Post by Superbone » Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:51 pm

specialsauce wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:38 pm
O_Gardino wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:25 pm
Superbone wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:16 pm
Cap wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:45 am
Superbone wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:30 am


How about just something. Anything.
There is nothing to report. He’ll be back on Dec 14th.
What happened in arbitration?
I think it's safe to assume the case didn't go to arbitration.

And, as much as I would like to know all the details, I'm glad the national media hasn't latched on to the story. No news is better than positive confirmation that Ayton was taking PEDs.
What I’ve heard (not 100%) is that he was trying to hide weed. Just a dumb kid needing to grow up in all aspects of life quickly. Just don’t smoke it as long as your employer doesn’t allow it. Then compounds that poor judgment by trying to hide it with a diuretic without doing his research.
Thanks. Let's just hope he's learned his lesson and be thankful that it hasn't had a big impact on the team.
Wormwood/Superbone 2019/2020 season bet: Suns win < 30 games, Wormwood wins, else 'Bone wins. 1 month avatar shame starting July 1st of winner's choosing.

User avatar
bajanguy008
Posts: 2205
Joined: Sun Jun 26, 2016 7:28 pm

Re: Ayton Possible 25 Game Suspension

Post by bajanguy008 » Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:08 pm

Yea the suspension is not gonna changed , it's all about how he reacts going forward.

Gotta say we all been marveling at Baynes 3pt shooting and wondering how the offense will be with Ayton but I was just listening to Monty postgame and
"he's just our anchor, have a guy back there who's calling out all the coverages it just helps everybody

Will be honest and say this is the part I'm a lil nervous about when it comes to Ayton. Really hope Baynes has had an impact on him regarding doing the lil things effectively like screening and talking on D
SUNS Fan from the Land of Sun, Sea and Sand ;)

User avatar
Shabazz
Posts: 3803
Joined: Wed Feb 26, 2014 11:16 pm

Re: Ayton Possible 25 Game Suspension

Post by Shabazz » Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:25 pm

specialsauce wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:38 pm
O_Gardino wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:25 pm
Superbone wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:16 pm
Cap wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:45 am
Superbone wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:30 am


How about just something. Anything.
There is nothing to report. He’ll be back on Dec 14th.
What happened in arbitration?
I think it's safe to assume the case didn't go to arbitration.

And, as much as I would like to know all the details, I'm glad the national media hasn't latched on to the story. No news is better than positive confirmation that Ayton was taking PEDs.
What I’ve heard (not 100%) is that he was trying to hide weed. Just a dumb kid needing to grow up in all aspects of life quickly. Just don’t smoke it as long as your employer doesn’t allow it. Then compounds that poor judgment by trying to hide it with a diuretic without doing his research.
If I had to guess I'd say that's what it was as well. That makes it doubly dumb because the penalty for a diuretic is significantly harsher than testing positive for weed.

User avatar
Flagrant Fowl
Posts: 2552
Joined: Tue Apr 01, 2014 8:04 am
Location: Haeundae, Busan, South Korea

Re: Ayton Possible 25 Game Suspension

Post by Flagrant Fowl » Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:34 pm

If Brandon Ingram can pass every drug test, there's no reason Ayton can't figure it out.

(I have no actual proof of Ingram smoking weed. Other than the perpetually stoned look on his face.)
UOducks4life in a previous life. Valar Morghulis.

User avatar
Mori Chu
Posts: 10302
Joined: Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:05 am

Re: Ayton Possible 25 Game Suspension

Post by Mori Chu » Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:42 pm

JCSunsfan wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:47 am
OK. Let's say LeBron gets injure (not a big stretch) and AD sees the handwriting on the wall. He is not winning a championship in LA without LeBron. Monty is a close friend and AD would be the perfect final piece on this roster.

The Lakers come calling. They want:

Ayton, Tyler, and a first rounder for AD (who will be a free agent sometime soon).

Do you pull the trigger?
I would do a trade like that for AD, assuming we had some sense that he was at least willing to give us legitimate consideration for re-signing. I would do the same trade for KAT from Minnesota, too.

User avatar
Split T
Posts: 8084
Joined: Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:51 am
Location: Provo, Utah

Re: Ayton Possible 25 Game Suspension

Post by Split T » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:21 pm

I would give up a lot for KAT. He and booker would stay together for awhile and we’d be essentially guaranteed a top offense for years to come.

User avatar
Nodack
Posts: 2569
Joined: Tue Oct 21, 2014 6:50 pm

Re: Ayton Possible 25 Game Suspension

Post by Nodack » Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:27 pm

I had a friend text me about how well Baynes is doing. He asked do we even want Ayton back? I said hell ya we do. At this time we only have one center and come in with a forward to back him up. I don’t really care if Baynes or Ayton starts. Two quality centers trumps one quality center and a so so PF playing center.

User avatar
Mori Chu
Posts: 10302
Joined: Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:05 am

Re: Ayton Possible 25 Game Suspension

Post by Mori Chu » Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:22 am

Nodack wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:27 pm
I had a friend text me about how well Baynes is doing. He asked do we even want Ayton back? I said hell ya we do. At this time we only have one center and come in with a forward to back him up. I don’t really care if Baynes or Ayton starts. Two quality centers trumps one quality center and a so so PF playing center.
Ayton is really good. When he comes back, Coach will have to figure out how exactly to distribute the minutes between him and Baynes and the other bigs, but this will be a good problem to have. And relying on Baynes for 35+ minutes a night will eventually bite us in the behind. He's playing great but he won't be able to keep this up forever.

User avatar
Indy
Posts: 9155
Joined: Sat Aug 16, 2014 9:21 pm

Re: Ayton Possible 25 Game Suspension

Post by Indy » Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:28 am

Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:22 am
Nodack wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:27 pm
I had a friend text me about how well Baynes is doing. He asked do we even want Ayton back? I said hell ya we do. At this time we only have one center and come in with a forward to back him up. I don’t really care if Baynes or Ayton starts. Two quality centers trumps one quality center and a so so PF playing center.
Ayton is really good. When he comes back, Coach will have to figure out how exactly to distribute the minutes between him and Baynes and the other bigs, but this will be a good problem to have. And relying on Baynes for 35+ minutes a night will eventually bite us in the behind. He's playing great but he won't be able to keep this up forever.
We are going to see a lot of lineups with Ayton and Baynes. I just don't see a way around that (without injury). The way Aron is playing, he needs at least 20 minutes a night. Probably 24. Ayton should be getting at least 30-32. And if Ayton is playing alongside Baynes, he may get even more minutes because he can stay out of foul trouble more.

I expect Baynes to be the first front court player off the bench, and to be closing the half/game.

User avatar
O_Gardino
Posts: 5361
Joined: Fri May 20, 2016 12:47 pm
Location: Shreveport, LA

Re: Ayton Possible 25 Game Suspension

Post by O_Gardino » Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:05 am

It's a non-issue. Even relying as heavily as we do on Baynes, he has only managed to stay on the court for 30 minutes once this season. He has fouled out twice. Baynes will limit his own minutes with fouls, and Ayton will limit his own minutes with lapses in energy. They will get maybe 6 minutes a game together when they are both on their game.
The league needs heroes, villains... and clowns. -- Aztec Sunsfan

User avatar
SDC
Posts: 3869
Joined: Mon Mar 31, 2014 9:25 pm

Re: Ayton Possible 25 Game Suspension

Post by SDC » Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:46 am

I like the starting frontcourt of ayton and baynes.

User avatar
jonh
Posts: 823
Joined: Sun Oct 16, 2016 1:34 pm

Re: Ayton Possible 25 Game Suspension

Post by jonh » Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:45 am

A bench unit of Jerome, Tyler Johnson, Cameron Johnson, Bridges, & Baynes seems like it would be a solid defensive lineup, and have enough shooters to space the floor.
“I’m done with not making the playoffs. I’m serious. This is probably the last year I’m ever not making the playoffs.” Devin Booker-- April, 2017

Drewsprocket
Posts: 250
Joined: Sun Jun 24, 2018 9:44 pm

Re: Ayton Possible 25 Game Suspension

Post by Drewsprocket » Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:43 pm

What’s going on with the appeal? Why haven’t we heard anything?

User avatar
Flagrant Fowl
Posts: 2552
Joined: Tue Apr 01, 2014 8:04 am
Location: Haeundae, Busan, South Korea

Re: Ayton Possible 25 Game Suspension

Post by Flagrant Fowl » Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:45 pm

Drewsprocket wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:43 pm
What’s going on with the appeal? Why haven’t we heard anything?
We haven't heard anything because it was a pointless exercise. He f*** up, so everyone should move on.
UOducks4life in a previous life. Valar Morghulis.

User avatar
Mori Chu
Posts: 10302
Joined: Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:05 am

Re: Ayton Possible 25 Game Suspension

Post by Mori Chu » Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:01 am

Passing up Luka to pick Ayton will go down in NBA history as one of the biggest draft blunders. Luka is currently averaging 28.3 ppg, 10.3 rpg, 9.1 ast. That is ridiculous. DeAndre Ayton is never ever going to have that kind of impact on a team. Not ever.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/pl ... ilu01.html

User avatar
Split T
Posts: 8084
Joined: Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:51 am
Location: Provo, Utah

Re: Ayton Possible 25 Game Suspension

Post by Split T » Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:03 am

Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:01 am
Passing up Luka to pick Ayton will go down in NBA history as one of the biggest draft blunders. Luka is currently averaging 28.3 ppg, 10.3 rpg, 9.1 ast. That is ridiculous. DeAndre Ayton is never ever going to have that kind of impact on a team. Not ever.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/pl ... ilu01.html
Not if Ayton is good. Everyone knows now that we should have taken Luka, but if Ayton becomes an all-star center, it’s not gonna be remembered as a draft blunder.

User avatar
Indy
Posts: 9155
Joined: Sat Aug 16, 2014 9:21 pm

Re: Ayton Possible 25 Game Suspension

Post by Indy » Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:39 am

Split T wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:03 am
Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:01 am
Passing up Luka to pick Ayton will go down in NBA history as one of the biggest draft blunders. Luka is currently averaging 28.3 ppg, 10.3 rpg, 9.1 ast. That is ridiculous. DeAndre Ayton is never ever going to have that kind of impact on a team. Not ever.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/pl ... ilu01.html
Not if Ayton is good. Everyone knows now that we should have taken Luka, but if Ayton becomes an all-star center, it’s not gonna be remembered as a draft blunder.
Probably fair to say it is a huge mistake right now. That mistake might look less bad as time goes on if Ayton turns into a top 20 player in the league before his career is over. It looks like Luka is already there.

User avatar
The Bobster
Posts: 3909
Joined: Fri Mar 14, 2014 1:04 pm
Location: Phoenix, AZ

Re: Ayton Possible 25 Game Suspension

Post by The Bobster » Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:03 am

It all depends on how good Ayton turns out to be - nobody criticizes Houston for picking Olajuwon over Jordan, but everybody gives Portland s*** for picking Bowie ahead of Jordan. If you pick somebody who can pay at a high level and the team is successful, it's a non-issue, if you pick somebody who can't play or gets hurt, that's when it's an issue.

If Ayton plays up to his potential (like he did the first game of the year), we're fine.
Author of The Basketball Draft Fact Book: A History of Professional Basketball's College Drafts
Available from Scarecrow Press at - https://rowman.com/ISBN/9780810890695

User avatar
Split T
Posts: 8084
Joined: Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:51 am
Location: Provo, Utah

Re: Ayton Possible 25 Game Suspension

Post by Split T » Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:24 am

Indy wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:39 am
Split T wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:03 am
Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:01 am
Passing up Luka to pick Ayton will go down in NBA history as one of the biggest draft blunders. Luka is currently averaging 28.3 ppg, 10.3 rpg, 9.1 ast. That is ridiculous. DeAndre Ayton is never ever going to have that kind of impact on a team. Not ever.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/pl ... ilu01.html
Not if Ayton is good. Everyone knows now that we should have taken Luka, but if Ayton becomes an all-star center, it’s not gonna be remembered as a draft blunder.
Probably fair to say it is a huge mistake right now. That mistake might look less bad as time goes on if Ayton turns into a top 20 player in the league before his career is over. It looks like Luka is already there.
Sure, but I don’t like making determinations on draft picks after just a year or two. Doncic has unquestionably been better and is an All-NBA guy, but we still don’t know where Ayton ends up. I went back and forth before the draft, ultimately I was team Ayton at draft time, but really I was team it doesn’t matter. I thought we would have been fine drafting Ayton or Doncic. Or even trading back for Bagley or JJJ. One thing though is I always assumed Doncic would look better at first. Did I think he would look this good? No, and I would definitely go back and take Doncic if we could, but Ayton isn’t a finished project. I think the chances he reaches Luka’s current level are basically zero, but he can still be a fantastic player.

Basically, Luka was an A+, we don’t know what Ayton is yet, but is it a huge draft blunder if Ayton is an A-? I don’t think so. Picking Josh Jackson over Fox/Isaac is much worse for me.

Post Reply