Suns News: Week 2 10/28-11/3

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Re: Suns News: Week 2 10/28-11/3

Post by Superbone » Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:04 pm

Indy wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:56 pm
I should have mentioned that Baynes is leading our team in 3P% by a long shot.
He doesn't seem to miss many!
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Re: Suns News: Week 2 10/28-11/3

Post by Indy » Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:18 pm

Superbone wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:04 pm
Indy wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:56 pm
I should have mentioned that Baynes is leading our team in 3P% by a long shot.
He doesn't seem to miss many!
Before this season he had taken a total of 81 threes over 7 years. Had only made 25 of them (for 30.8%). This year he is 6 of 11 (54.5%) through 4 games. Love it.

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Re: Suns News: Week 2 10/28-11/3

Post by ShelC » Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:19 pm

For some reason, I feel like Dario is on an island on this team. Doesn't get talked about much, doesn't seem to have chemistry with anyone in particular on the court, is just kind of out there feeling his way around and trying to find his spots. Last night was especially tough because he got hit with fouls early and it wasn't until the 2nd half that he hit a 3 and then made those nice passes. He's a legit triple threat and I think not having the ball in his hands hurts his game a bit as he's more than just a set shooter. Then there's this:


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Re: Suns News: Week 2 10/28-11/3

Post by Flagrant Fowl » Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:41 pm

I think they're just trying to find the right role for him. It's early.

I don't think he's a guy they can just put in the corner on offense and expect him to hit 3's or drive to the rim. That's just not his game. Ideally, I'd like to see him play as the primary ball handler in the half court when Rubio is on the bench.
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Re: Suns News: Week 2 10/28-11/3

Post by Indy » Tue Oct 29, 2019 6:03 pm

ShelC wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:19 pm
For some reason, I feel like Dario is on an island on this team. Doesn't get talked about much, doesn't seem to have chemistry with anyone in particular on the court, is just kind of out there feeling his way around and trying to find his spots. Last night was especially tough because he got hit with fouls early and it wasn't until the 2nd half that he hit a 3 and then made those nice passes. He's a legit triple threat and I think not having the ball in his hands hurts his game a bit as he's more than just a set shooter. Then there's this:

There are going to be times when Rubio and Devin are not on the court. They should use him as a point forward, especially with Carter on the floor.

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Re: Suns News: Week 2 10/28-11/3

Post by Split T » Tue Oct 29, 2019 8:49 pm

I wouldn’t mind overlapping Carter’s minutes with Saric. Carter does a lot of great things, but initiating the offense isn’t one of them. Saric can help there.

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Post by Superbone » Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:08 pm

For Saucy:

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Re: Suns News: Week 2 10/28-11/3

Post by specialsauce » Tue Oct 29, 2019 10:08 pm

Superbone wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:08 pm
For Saucy:

If we just had TJ bring up the ball and initiate the offense, I would be much more on board with all this. He played great the last 2 games overall, but he is completely lost trying to initiate the offense and takes some ill advised drives and shots. He has no clue how to be a PG

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Re: Suns News: Week 2 10/28-11/3

Post by carey » Tue Oct 29, 2019 10:47 pm

Carter pounds the ball too much. Doesn’t seem to grasp the .5 thing just yet.
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Re: Suns News: Week 2 10/28-11/3

Post by Flagrant Fowl » Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:23 am

I don't think he's going to grasp ball movement, but I think they'll be fine if he keeps up the intensity and defensive effort. I think it's better to find a guy off of the bench to initiate the offense. Saric, TJ or Jerome would probably be the candidates.
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Post by Wormwood » Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:17 am

Flagrant Fowl wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:23 am
I don't think he's going to grasp ball movement, but I think they'll be fine if he keeps up the intensity and defensive effort. I think it's better to find a guy off of the bench to initiate the offense. Saric, TJ or Jerome would probably be the candidates.
Carter's not a great PG in a traditional sense. He's not a good offensive initiator. He is very good on defense, and his 3 point shooting has been great. I'm happy playing him alongside a good initiator like Booker, or Ty Jerome when he gets back. Both Jerome and Booker can defend the 2 position (well, sort of, but they have the height to do it).

Also, take a look at TPA. It's saying Oubre is tearing it up. Interesting. It's also very high on Jevon Carter. Tyler Johnson and Cam Johnson... not so much. They have the two worst TPAs on the squad. When Jerome gets back, he's pretty expendable. What would people say to a trade involving Tyler Johnson, Saric, and a 1st for someone like Love or Griffin?

https://nbamath.com/2019-20-nba-tpa/

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Re: Suns News: Week 2 10/28-11/3

Post by In2ition » Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:41 am

Wormwood wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:17 am
Flagrant Fowl wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:23 am
I don't think he's going to grasp ball movement, but I think they'll be fine if he keeps up the intensity and defensive effort. I think it's better to find a guy off of the bench to initiate the offense. Saric, TJ or Jerome would probably be the candidates.
Carter's not a great PG in a traditional sense. He's not a good offensive initiator. He is very good on defense, and his 3 point shooting has been great. I'm happy playing him alongside a good initiator like Booker, or Ty Jerome when he gets back. Both Jerome and Booker can defend the 2 position (well, sort of, but they have the height to do it).

Also, take a look at TPA. It's saying Oubre is tearing it up. Interesting. It's also very high on Jevon Carter. Tyler Johnson and Cam Johnson... not so much. They have the two worst TPAs on the squad. When Jerome gets back, he's pretty expendable. What would people say to a trade involving Tyler Johnson, Saric, and a 1st for someone like Love or Griffin?

https://nbamath.com/2019-20-nba-tpa/
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Re: Suns News: Week 2 10/28-11/3

Post by ShelC » Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:49 am

I swear I don't get the obsession with trying to trade for "names" like Love and Griffin.

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Post by Wormwood » Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:07 am

In2ition wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:41 am
Wormwood wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:17 am
Flagrant Fowl wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:23 am
I don't think he's going to grasp ball movement, but I think they'll be fine if he keeps up the intensity and defensive effort. I think it's better to find a guy off of the bench to initiate the offense. Saric, TJ or Jerome would probably be the candidates.
Carter's not a great PG in a traditional sense. He's not a good offensive initiator. He is very good on defense, and his 3 point shooting has been great. I'm happy playing him alongside a good initiator like Booker, or Ty Jerome when he gets back. Both Jerome and Booker can defend the 2 position (well, sort of, but they have the height to do it).

Also, take a look at TPA. It's saying Oubre is tearing it up. Interesting. It's also very high on Jevon Carter. Tyler Johnson and Cam Johnson... not so much. They have the two worst TPAs on the squad. When Jerome gets back, he's pretty expendable. What would people say to a trade involving Tyler Johnson, Saric, and a 1st for someone like Love or Griffin?

https://nbamath.com/2019-20-nba-tpa/
Any metric that says Okobo is better than Booker, I'm going to say I'm skeptical of.
Okobo's number's are weird because he's basically only played a few minutes, resulting in a very small sample size (and thus really high variance). It's a pretty decent metric for players who have a more significant number of minutes.

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Re: Suns News: Week 2 10/28-11/3

Post by Mori Chu » Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:35 am

Wormwood wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:17 am
What would people say to a trade involving Tyler Johnson, Saric, and a 1st for someone like Love or Griffin?
I suspect most folks would hate the idea of trading for Kevin Love, but I like him a lot more than most. He's putting up decent numbers in Cleveland so far this year, averaging 15.7 ppg on 46.7 fg% (37.5% from 3), 15.7 rpg (!), and 4.7 assists (!) in 34 min/game. I think he'd be valuable and helpful for our young team. He seems ancient but he's only 31.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/pl ... eke01.html

I was going to say that another guy to look at would be Aaron Gordon. He's having a rough start to the season, though, averaging just 7 ppg and 4.7 rebounds and 29.2 fg% (!). Hmm. I guess it'd be a chance to "buy low" on him, but the poor shooting could be a problem. I would tend to prefer a PF who can hit a 3 like Love.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/pl ... oaa01.html

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Re: Suns News: Week 2 10/28-11/3

Post by Flagrant Fowl » Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:35 pm

Love's contract makes him really hard to stomach, and I'd prefer to stay away from Aaron Gordon because I'm not convinced he's ever going to get to the level everyone expected from him.
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Re: Suns News: Week 2 10/28-11/3

Post by Superbone » Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:27 pm



And Indy tooooooo!!!
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Re: Suns News: Week 2 10/28-11/3

Post by BlaCkAdDa » Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:26 pm

If it ain't broke don't screw with it... Why risk our chemistry for some fantasy ball

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Re: Suns News: Week 2 10/28-11/3

Post by Nodack » Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:52 am

Saric was the weakest Sun to start the season but, he has started to find his spot on the team and play much better. It’s hard to find anybody on the team to hate now...

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Re: Suns News: Week 2 10/28-11/3

Post by AmareIsGod » Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:48 pm

BlaCkAdDa wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:26 pm
If it ain't broke don't screw with it... Why risk our chemistry for some fantasy ball
Agree. The guys are playing great and we're already talking about trading them away. Saric puts up some ridiculous numbers last night that are almost unheard of and we're thinking about how to package him with some other players for Love, etc...

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