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Re: Suns News: Week 3 11/4-11/10

Post by The Bobster » Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:34 am

The last time the Suns had a 7-game stretch where they were this competitive (where they could have gone 7-0 with a couple of buzzer-beaters) was December, 2014.

The last streak of competitive games longer than this was 10 games in March 2010. The starters on that team were Steve Nash, Amar'e Stoudemire, Jason Richardson, Grant Hill and Robin Lopez.
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Re: Suns News: Week 3 11/4-11/10

Post by jonh » Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:37 am

The Bobster wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:11 am
Remember when they were criticized for getting rid of these guys? -

Warren - 34.5 Min, 43.8 FG%, 12.5 3P%, .714 FT%, 15.0 Pts, 3.2 Reb, 0.8 Ast
Holmes - 23.7 Min, 68.36 FG%, 00.0 3P%, 71.4 FT%, 11.4 Pts, 6.6 Reb, 1.0 Ast
Daniels - 15.5 Min, 32.4 FG%, 26.9 3P%, 100.0 FT%, 5.0 Pts 1.0 Reb, 0.5 Ast
Chriss - 14.5 Min, 47.6 FG%, 33.3 3P%, 83.3 FT%, 5.2 Pts, 4.0 Reb, 1.8 Ast
Melton - 4.5 Min, 00.0 FG%, 00.0 3P%, 00.0 FT%, 0.0 Pts, 0.5 Reb, 1.5 Ast
Bender - 0.0 Min. 00.0 FG% 00.0 3P%, 00.0 FT%, 0.0 Pts, 0.0 Reb, 0.0 Ast
Jackson - 0.0 Min. 00.0 FG% 00.0 3P%, 00.0 FT%, 0.0 Pts, 0.0 Reb, 0.0 Ast

Holmes is the only one I really miss, and Baynes has more than made up for him.
Look at all of the untapped potential for Chriss--if you extrapolate his numbers to 36 minutes, he would provide a solid contribution!
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Re: Suns News: Week 3 11/4-11/10

Post by O_Gardino » Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:51 am

The Bobster wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:11 am
Remember when they were criticized for getting rid of these guys? -

Warren - 34.5 Min, 43.8 FG%, 12.5 3P%, .714 FT%, 15.0 Pts, 3.2 Reb, 0.8 Ast
Holmes - 23.7 Min, 68.36 FG%, 00.0 3P%, 71.4 FT%, 11.4 Pts, 6.6 Reb, 1.0 Ast
Daniels - 15.5 Min, 32.4 FG%, 26.9 3P%, 100.0 FT%, 5.0 Pts 1.0 Reb, 0.5 Ast
Chriss - 14.5 Min, 47.6 FG%, 33.3 3P%, 83.3 FT%, 5.2 Pts, 4.0 Reb, 1.8 Ast
Melton - 4.5 Min, 00.0 FG%, 00.0 3P%, 00.0 FT%, 0.0 Pts, 0.5 Reb, 1.5 Ast
Bender - 0.0 Min. 00.0 FG% 00.0 3P%, 00.0 FT%, 0.0 Pts, 0.0 Reb, 0.0 Ast
Jackson - 0.0 Min. 00.0 FG% 00.0 3P%, 00.0 FT%, 0.0 Pts, 0.0 Reb, 0.0 Ast

Holmes is the only one I really miss, and Baynes has more than made up for him.
No. Who criticized them for getting rid of those guys?
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Re: Suns News: Week 3 11/4-11/10

Post by The Bobster » Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:52 am

jonh wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:37 am
The Bobster wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:11 am
Remember when they were criticized for getting rid of these guys? -

Warren - 34.5 Min, 43.8 FG%, 12.5 3P%, .714 FT%, 15.0 Pts, 3.2 Reb, 0.8 Ast
Holmes - 23.7 Min, 68.36 FG%, 00.0 3P%, 71.4 FT%, 11.4 Pts, 6.6 Reb, 1.0 Ast
Daniels - 15.5 Min, 32.4 FG%, 26.9 3P%, 100.0 FT%, 5.0 Pts 1.0 Reb, 0.5 Ast
Chriss - 14.5 Min, 47.6 FG%, 33.3 3P%, 83.3 FT%, 5.2 Pts, 4.0 Reb, 1.8 Ast
Melton - 4.5 Min, 00.0 FG%, 00.0 3P%, 00.0 FT%, 0.0 Pts, 0.5 Reb, 1.5 Ast
Bender - 0.0 Min. 00.0 FG% 00.0 3P%, 00.0 FT%, 0.0 Pts, 0.0 Reb, 0.0 Ast
Jackson - 0.0 Min. 00.0 FG% 00.0 3P%, 00.0 FT%, 0.0 Pts, 0.0 Reb, 0.0 Ast

Holmes is the only one I really miss, and Baynes has more than made up for him.
Look at all of the untapped potential for Chriss--if you extrapolate his numbers to 36 minutes, he would provide a solid contribution!
Town Drunk Syndrome.

There will always be a good woman who thinks they can turn the town drunk into a good man. That's how NBA coaches are sometimes, and why players like Chriss will keep getting chances.
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Re: Suns News: Week 3 11/4-11/10

Post by The Bobster » Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:53 am

O_Gardino wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:51 am
The Bobster wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:11 am
Remember when they were criticized for getting rid of these guys? -

Warren - 34.5 Min, 43.8 FG%, 12.5 3P%, .714 FT%, 15.0 Pts, 3.2 Reb, 0.8 Ast
Holmes - 23.7 Min, 68.36 FG%, 00.0 3P%, 71.4 FT%, 11.4 Pts, 6.6 Reb, 1.0 Ast
Daniels - 15.5 Min, 32.4 FG%, 26.9 3P%, 100.0 FT%, 5.0 Pts 1.0 Reb, 0.5 Ast
Chriss - 14.5 Min, 47.6 FG%, 33.3 3P%, 83.3 FT%, 5.2 Pts, 4.0 Reb, 1.8 Ast
Melton - 4.5 Min, 00.0 FG%, 00.0 3P%, 00.0 FT%, 0.0 Pts, 0.5 Reb, 1.5 Ast
Bender - 0.0 Min. 00.0 FG% 00.0 3P%, 00.0 FT%, 0.0 Pts, 0.0 Reb, 0.0 Ast
Jackson - 0.0 Min. 00.0 FG% 00.0 3P%, 00.0 FT%, 0.0 Pts, 0.0 Reb, 0.0 Ast

Holmes is the only one I really miss, and Baynes has more than made up for him.
No. Who criticized them for getting rid of those guys?
It was more a case of "how", but the national media was pretty critical.
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Re: Suns News: Week 3 11/4-11/10

Post by Mori Chu » Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:54 am

The Bobster wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:11 am
Remember when they were criticized for getting rid of these guys? -

Warren - 34.5 Min, 43.8 FG%, 12.5 3P%, .714 FT%, 15.0 Pts, 3.2 Reb, 0.8 Ast
Holmes - 23.7 Min, 68.36 FG%, 00.0 3P%, 71.4 FT%, 11.4 Pts, 6.6 Reb, 1.0 Ast
Daniels - 15.5 Min, 32.4 FG%, 26.9 3P%, 100.0 FT%, 5.0 Pts 1.0 Reb, 0.5 Ast
Chriss - 14.5 Min, 47.6 FG%, 33.3 3P%, 83.3 FT%, 5.2 Pts, 4.0 Reb, 1.8 Ast
Melton - 4.5 Min, 00.0 FG%, 00.0 3P%, 00.0 FT%, 0.0 Pts, 0.5 Reb, 1.5 Ast
Bender - 0.0 Min. 00.0 FG% 00.0 3P%, 00.0 FT%, 0.0 Pts, 0.0 Reb, 0.0 Ast
Jackson - 0.0 Min. 00.0 FG% 00.0 3P%, 00.0 FT%, 0.0 Pts, 0.0 Reb, 0.0 Ast

Holmes is the only one I really miss, and Baynes has more than made up for him.
Remember when James Jones was criticized for drafting Cam Johnson? ... Oh, wait, they were right to do that. Cam still sucks.

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Post by O_Gardino » Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:14 am

You can say that again.

Edit: I was teasing Marty because he double posted. This is not emphatic agreement with his post.
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Re: Suns News: Week 3 11/4-11/10

Post by Superbone » Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:53 am

Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:54 am
The Bobster wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:11 am
Remember when they were criticized for getting rid of these guys? -

Warren - 34.5 Min, 43.8 FG%, 12.5 3P%, .714 FT%, 15.0 Pts, 3.2 Reb, 0.8 Ast
Holmes - 23.7 Min, 68.36 FG%, 00.0 3P%, 71.4 FT%, 11.4 Pts, 6.6 Reb, 1.0 Ast
Daniels - 15.5 Min, 32.4 FG%, 26.9 3P%, 100.0 FT%, 5.0 Pts 1.0 Reb, 0.5 Ast
Chriss - 14.5 Min, 47.6 FG%, 33.3 3P%, 83.3 FT%, 5.2 Pts, 4.0 Reb, 1.8 Ast
Melton - 4.5 Min, 00.0 FG%, 00.0 3P%, 00.0 FT%, 0.0 Pts, 0.5 Reb, 1.5 Ast
Bender - 0.0 Min. 00.0 FG% 00.0 3P%, 00.0 FT%, 0.0 Pts, 0.0 Reb, 0.0 Ast
Jackson - 0.0 Min. 00.0 FG% 00.0 3P%, 00.0 FT%, 0.0 Pts, 0.0 Reb, 0.0 Ast

Holmes is the only one I really miss, and Baynes has more than made up for him.
Remember when James Jones was criticized for drafting Cam Johnson? ... Oh, wait, they were right to do that. Cam still sucks.
That's a little harsh at this point, don't you think?
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Post by Democritus » Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:53 am

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Re: Suns News: Week 3 11/4-11/10

Post by carey » Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:13 am

Superbone wrote:
Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:54 am
Remember when James Jones was criticized for drafting Cam Johnson? ... Oh, wait, they were right to do that. Cam still sucks.
That's a little harsh at this point, don't you think?
Yes. Definitely.
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Re: Suns News: Week 3 11/4-11/10

Post by AmareIsGod » Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:36 am

carey wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:13 am
Superbone wrote:
Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:54 am
Remember when James Jones was criticized for drafting Cam Johnson? ... Oh, wait, they were right to do that. Cam still sucks.
That's a little harsh at this point, don't you think?
Yes. Definitely.
Agree.
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Post by Democritus » Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:41 am

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Re: Suns News: Week 3 11/4-11/10

Post by Mori Chu » Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:50 am

AmareIsGod wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:36 am
carey wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:13 am
Superbone wrote:
Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:54 am
Remember when James Jones was criticized for drafting Cam Johnson? ... Oh, wait, they were right to do that. Cam still sucks.
That's a little harsh at this point, don't you think?
Yes. Definitely.
Agree.
Yeah, I agree. I was just being snarky and wanted to post a zinger about Cam. I think it's far too early to conclude whether he "sucks" or not. I'll give him time.

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Re: Suns News: Week 3 11/4-11/10

Post by AmareIsGod » Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:18 am

Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:50 am
AmareIsGod wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:36 am
carey wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:13 am
Superbone wrote:
Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:54 am
Remember when James Jones was criticized for drafting Cam Johnson? ... Oh, wait, they were right to do that. Cam still sucks.
That's a little harsh at this point, don't you think?
Yes. Definitely.
Agree.
Yeah, I agree. I was just being snarky and wanted to post a zinger about Cam. I think it's far too early to conclude whether he "sucks" or not. I'll give him time.
Whatever! HATER! :P
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Re: Suns News: Week 3 11/4-11/10

Post by Wormwood » Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:58 am

Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:50 am
AmareIsGod wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:36 am
carey wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:13 am
Superbone wrote:
Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:54 am
Remember when James Jones was criticized for drafting Cam Johnson? ... Oh, wait, they were right to do that. Cam still sucks.
That's a little harsh at this point, don't you think?
Yes. Definitely.
Agree.
Yeah, I agree. I was just being snarky and wanted to post a zinger about Cam. I think it's far too early to conclude whether he "sucks" or not. I'll give him time.
I'm the resident player hater here, and even I think it's way to early to pass final judgment on Cam.

That said, he hasn't looked great, especially for a guy touted as "NBA ready".

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Re: Suns News: Week 3 11/4-11/10

Post by Shabazz » Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:16 pm

With Cam, he has 1 skill that was supposed to translate automatically. The question is, what is he doing when it doesn't translate (his shots aren't falling)? That's the downside of drafting a specialist.

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Post by ShelC » Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:27 pm

Shabazz wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:16 pm
With Cam, he has 1 skill that was supposed to translate automatically. The question is, what is he doing when it doesn't translate (his shots aren't falling)? That's the downside of drafting a specialist.
You pull him. We're deep enough that we don't need to rely on him every single night. Monty's been using him specifically as a shooter to see if he can get it going. If not, he sits. But he's also not a total liability defensively or offensively and has shown some nice speed and athleticism in the open court and is smart cutting/moving without the ball. At the very least, he's a threat because of his rep as a shooter.

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Post by Shabazz » Tue Nov 05, 2019 1:11 pm

ShelC wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:27 pm
Shabazz wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:16 pm
With Cam, he has 1 skill that was supposed to translate automatically. The question is, what is he doing when it doesn't translate (his shots aren't falling)? That's the downside of drafting a specialist.
You pull him. We're deep enough that we don't need to rely on him every single night. Monty's been using him specifically as a shooter to see if he can get it going. If not, he sits. But he's also not a total liability defensively or offensively and has shown some nice speed and athleticism in the open court and is smart cutting/moving without the ball. At the very least, he's a threat because of his rep as a shooter.
I'm not talking about game-to-game. I'm talking about his career.

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Post by AmareIsGod » Tue Nov 05, 2019 1:15 pm

Shabazz wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 1:11 pm
ShelC wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:27 pm
Shabazz wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:16 pm
With Cam, he has 1 skill that was supposed to translate automatically. The question is, what is he doing when it doesn't translate (his shots aren't falling)? That's the downside of drafting a specialist.
You pull him. We're deep enough that we don't need to rely on him every single night. Monty's been using him specifically as a shooter to see if he can get it going. If not, he sits. But he's also not a total liability defensively or offensively and has shown some nice speed and athleticism in the open court and is smart cutting/moving without the ball. At the very least, he's a threat because of his rep as a shooter.
I'm not talking about game-to-game. I'm talking about his career.
I think 7 games into the NBA is a bit early to make assumptions about his career.
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Re: Suns News: Week 3 11/4-11/10

Post by Shabazz » Tue Nov 05, 2019 1:19 pm

AmareIsGod wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 1:15 pm
Shabazz wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 1:11 pm
ShelC wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:27 pm
Shabazz wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:16 pm
With Cam, he has 1 skill that was supposed to translate automatically. The question is, what is he doing when it doesn't translate (his shots aren't falling)? That's the downside of drafting a specialist.
You pull him. We're deep enough that we don't need to rely on him every single night. Monty's been using him specifically as a shooter to see if he can get it going. If not, he sits. But he's also not a total liability defensively or offensively and has shown some nice speed and athleticism in the open court and is smart cutting/moving without the ball. At the very least, he's a threat because of his rep as a shooter.
I'm not talking about game-to-game. I'm talking about his career.

I think 7 games into the NBA is a bit early to make assumptions about his career.
I'm not making any assumptions. I think his shot will come around. But that's not always a guarantee, even for the best college shooters.

Mikal Bridges is a good example. I thought his shooting would be automatic in the NBA. It still might, but he's really struggled there so far. The good news is, he's a terrific defender, so he bring something even when his shot is struggling. Cam has some decent secondary skills, but unless he's hitting 38%+ from deep, he's probably not bringing enough other things to the table to be playable.

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