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Re: NBA Draft 2020
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:21 pm
by Wally_West
INFORMER wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:14 pm
Wally_West wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:43 pm
Frye is awesome comp.
I disagree. Smith should be a lot better than Frye. Better rebounder, better finisher, better shotblocker.
Sounds good to me!
Re: NBA Draft 2020
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:22 pm
by Wormwood
Right guy, right role, right system, right players around him, and role players win rings.
Also, the numbers say that as "mediocre" as Frye was, the team was much, much better with him on the court. More so even than Grant Hill or Stoudemire.
Similar with Kurt Thomas.
See: Bowen, Bruce.
Re: NBA Draft 2020
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:26 pm
by Superbone
Wormwood wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:22 pm
Right guy, right role, right system, right players around him, and role players win rings.
Also, the numbers say that as "mediocre" as Frye was, the team was much, much better with him on the court. More so even than Grant Hill or Stoudemire.
Similar with Kurt Thomas.
See: Bowen, Bruce.
Dude, what happened to the real Wormwood? This is WAY too positive! I feel like I'm in an alternate universe.
Re: NBA Draft 2020
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:38 pm
by Wormwood
Look, I could be wrong. I think there's a real chance we end up kicking ourselves for not taking Halliburton. But, his game has enough holes that maybe not.
Smith just seems low risk, given he has 2 elite skills, and one very good one, that translate well from college to the pros. Oh, and that one "very good" one is the key to the modern game. He's not going to be an all star. But his floor feels like, "Above average back-up PF /C".
I feel like Halliburton's holes mean he has more of a chance of bombing than Smith.
Re: NBA Draft 2020
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:01 am
by 3rdside
Size, shooting, character - and a great looking stroke - that's the JJ trend.
All three together look like solid a predictor of NBA success, albeit for supporting roles rather than starring roles.
That approach fine with me after the horror show McD years.
And if we're in win now mode perhaps JJ thinks he'll be more of an immediate contributor than Haliburton.
If he's a CJ take 2 type role player that's fine with me also.
Re: NBA Draft 2020
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:10 am
by INFORMER
Haliburton is as NBA ready as just about any other player that was drafted.
Re: NBA Draft 2020
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:49 am
by 3rdside
Maybe a better way to say it is Haliburton is a higher bust risk than Smith and JJ wants to avoid that.
Or JJ just has an idea of what he wants the team to look like and Smith was always his guy.
Either way, based on the CJ / Jalen Smith draft pattern - and now having watched some tape of Smith myself - I'm not arguing this pick (yet, anyway) however much I wanted Haliburton before the draft.
Re: NBA Draft 2020
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:03 am
by Shabazz
3rdside wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:49 am
Maybe a better way to say it is Haliburton is a higher bust risk than Smith and JJ wants to avoid that.
I don't see that as true either.
It seems like Jones let positional need influence his decisions. If 2 prospects are in the same tier, that's generally the right play. I don't think Hali and Smith are.
Re: NBA Draft 2020
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:13 am
by Ring_Wanted
Shabazz wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:03 am
3rdside wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:49 am
Maybe a better way to say it is Haliburton is a higher bust risk than Smith and JJ wants to avoid that.
I don't see that as true either.
It seems like Jones let positional need influence his decisions. If 2 prospects are in the same tier, that's generally the right play. I don't think Hali and Smith are.
This is exactly how I see it, and I was one of the biggest supporters of drafting Smith; just didn't think I'd do it #10 and, of course, was not counting on Hali being available. So to me the pick is a C. With Hali gone it would have been a B or even an A.
Re: NBA Draft 2020
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:19 am
by 3rdside
I can't really disagree with you so I'll just go with Smith must have been been JJ's guy all along regardless of his thoughts of Haliburton.
Meaning it's a doubly ballsy af pick as not only was Haliburton on the board, none of these 9 mocks had him in the lottery.
https://www.nba.com/news/2020-consensus-mock-draft
Tankathon and NBADraft.Net didn't either so none of 11 mock drafts.
Big, shiny, brass kahunas on that man, yes sir.
Re: NBA Draft 2020
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:21 am
by jonh
I went D because Haliburton was still there. I’m looking forward to the chance to eat lots of crow if I’m wrong.
Re: NBA Draft 2020
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 4:55 am
by Ring_Wanted
I hate Pritchard at #26 (wtf Ainge). I absolutely love how he looks like a grown up Dougie form Malcom in the Middle.
Re: NBA Draft 2020
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:19 am
by Superbone
jonh wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:21 am
I went D because Haliburton was still there. I’m looking forward to the chance to eat lots of crow if I’m wrong.
We hope to be able to feed it to you.
Re: NBA Draft 2020
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:21 pm
by Split T
Heard some talk that Haliburton told teams not to draft him. Wanted the Kings(which seems weird) but might explain his drop and maybe why we had no interest
Re: NBA Draft 2020
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:52 pm
by Split T
Hearing Anthony Edwards is 6’6 230 with a 6’11 wingspan now. If he wants, he can be an incredible player. We’ll see if he wants it.
Re: NBA Draft 2020
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:27 pm
by Superbone
Split T wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:52 pm
Hearing Anthony Edwards is 6’6 230 with a 6’11 wingspan now. If he wants, he can be an incredible player. We’ll see if he wants it.
I haven't heard of too many great basketball players that don't like watching basketball. As in zero.
Re: NBA Draft 2020
Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 9:20 am
by O_Gardino
Superbone wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:27 pm
Split T wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:52 pm
Hearing Anthony Edwards is 6’6 230 with a 6’11 wingspan now. If he wants, he can be an incredible player. We’ll see if he wants it.
I haven't heard of too many great basketball players that don't like watching basketball. As in zero.
Re: NBA Draft 2020
Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:50 am
by Mori Chu
Yeah, that interview where he said playing basketball was like a job to him, and he has little interest in it otherwise, was a huge red flag to me.
Re: NBA Draft 2020
Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 5:51 pm
by INFORMER
Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 4:55 am
I hate Pritchard at #26 (wtf Ainge). I absolutely love how he looks like a grown up Dougie form Malcom in the Middle.
That was fine. Pritchard is solid. He is a better prospect than Ty Jerome was.
Re: NBA Draft 2020
Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 6:11 pm
by Ring_Wanted
INFORMER wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 5:51 pm
Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 4:55 am
I hate Pritchard at #26 (wtf Ainge). I absolutely love how he looks like a grown up Dougie form Malcom in the Middle.
That was fine. Pritchard is solid. He is a better prospect than Ty Jerome was.
We'll see if he is solid, but in any case being a better prospect than Ty Jones is saying basically nothing.