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Re: NBA Draft 2020

Post by In2ition » Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:46 pm


With the development(I admit this is premature and may not even happen when games count, but humor me) that there will be many jumbo lineups in the NBA next season in the Western conference, with the Lakers, Portland, Memphis, & Denver, do any of you think it might be something to think about when picking if Wiseman or Poku are available with the Suns pick?
"30 wins would be an extremely disappointing season" yeah, I said it and I mean it.

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Re: NBA Draft 2020

Post by specialsauce » Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:20 pm

In2ition wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:46 pm

With the development(I admit this is premature and may not even happen when games count, but humor me) that there will be many jumbo lineups in the NBA next season in the Western conference, with the Lakers, Portland, Memphis, & Denver, do any of you think it might be something to think about when picking if Wiseman or Poku are available with the Suns pick?
Sure, if we’re going to turn around and trade them to Chicago for Markkanen. I’m happy to pick anyone Chicago wants for them.

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Re: NBA FA 2020 & Suns FA targets

Post by wpmiller42 » Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:57 pm

Superbone wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:22 pm
INF wrote:2020 Draft: Aaron Nesmith - Paul Reed - Reggie Perry - Leandro Bolmaro - Lamine Diane - Jalen Smith - Desmond Bane - Rayshaun Hammonds - Sam Merrill - Tre Jones - Tyler Bey
One of these days, the Suns are actually going to take one of your guys! It's not like you haven't left them lots of choices.
I hope this is the year and we end up with Paul Reed.

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Re: NBA FA 2020 & Suns FA targets

Post by In2ition » Wed Jul 22, 2020 7:11 pm

wpmiller42 wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:57 pm
Superbone wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:22 pm
INF wrote:2020 Draft: Aaron Nesmith - Paul Reed - Reggie Perry - Leandro Bolmaro - Lamine Diane - Jalen Smith - Desmond Bane - Rayshaun Hammonds - Sam Merrill - Tre Jones - Tyler Bey
One of these days, the Suns are actually going to take one of your guys! It's not like you haven't left them lots of choices.
I hope this is the year and we end up with Paul Reed.
At 10?
"30 wins would be an extremely disappointing season" yeah, I said it and I mean it.

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Re: NBA Draft 2020

Post by INFORMER » Thu Jul 23, 2020 6:53 pm

In2ition wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:46 pm
With the development(I admit this is premature and may not even happen when games count, but humor me) that there will be many jumbo lineups in the NBA next season in the Western conference, with the Lakers, Portland, Memphis, & Denver, do any of you think it might be something to think about when picking if Wiseman or Poku are available with the Suns pick?
I just feel that there are players that can fit the Suns better than Wiseman. I get he has a lot of appeal due to his athleticism and size, but I just feel Haliburton, Ball, and Hayes could all have a bigger impact on this team.

Poku is just too much of a gamble at 10. I feel there are too many players that have a higher probability to succeed ahead of him.
2020 Draft: Aaron Nesmith - Paul Reed - Reggie Perry - Leandro Bolmaro - Lamine Diane - Jalen Smith - Desmond Bane - Rayshaun Hammonds - Sam Merrill - Tre Jones - Tyler Bey

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Re: NBA FA 2020 & Suns FA targets

Post by INFORMER » Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:04 pm

Superbone wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:22 pm
INF wrote:2020 Draft: Aaron Nesmith - Paul Reed - Reggie Perry - Leandro Bolmaro - Lamine Diane - Jalen Smith - Desmond Bane - Rayshaun Hammonds - Sam Merrill - Tre Jones - Tyler Bey
One of these days, the Suns are actually going to take one of your guys! It's not like you haven't left them lots of choices.
Since 2003, it has happened a few times (not very good results):

2018 - Elie Okobo
2014 - TJ Warren
2012 - Kendall Marshall
2011 - Markieff Morris
2009 - Earl Clark
2003 - Zarko Cabarkapa
2020 Draft: Aaron Nesmith - Paul Reed - Reggie Perry - Leandro Bolmaro - Lamine Diane - Jalen Smith - Desmond Bane - Rayshaun Hammonds - Sam Merrill - Tre Jones - Tyler Bey

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Re: NBA FA 2020 & Suns FA targets

Post by Cap » Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:10 pm

INFORMER wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:04 pm
Superbone wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:22 pm
INF wrote:2020 Draft: Aaron Nesmith - Paul Reed - Reggie Perry - Leandro Bolmaro - Lamine Diane - Jalen Smith - Desmond Bane - Rayshaun Hammonds - Sam Merrill - Tre Jones - Tyler Bey
One of these days, the Suns are actually going to take one of your guys! It's not like you haven't left them lots of choices.
Since 2003, it has happened a few times (not very good results):

2018 - Elie Okobo
2014 - TJ Warren
2012 - Kendall Marshall
2011 - Markieff Morris
2009 - Earl Clark
2003 - Zarko Cabarkapa
Kieff was your guy? I’m never listening to you again.
JJ will be better than KP when all is said and done [in 2020]. Mark it. — AIG, with Indy betting against

My [2019-20] prediction is better than mid 30s... mark it down! — Superbone

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Re: NBA Draft 2020

Post by INFORMER » Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:10 pm

In2ition wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:54 pm
I think the offseason could be something like the following:
Draft - Suns pick between: Riller, Anthony, Vassell, Toppin(if he falls)
I'm not understanding the appeal of Riller.
2020 Draft: Aaron Nesmith - Paul Reed - Reggie Perry - Leandro Bolmaro - Lamine Diane - Jalen Smith - Desmond Bane - Rayshaun Hammonds - Sam Merrill - Tre Jones - Tyler Bey

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Re: NBA Draft 2020

Post by Shabazz » Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:12 pm

INFORMER wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:10 pm
In2ition wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:54 pm
I think the offseason could be something like the following:
Draft - Suns pick between: Riller, Anthony, Vassell, Toppin(if he falls)
I'm not understanding the appeal of Riller.
I said something similar on Twitter and got roasted.

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Re: NBA FA 2020 & Suns FA targets

Post by wpmiller42 » Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:47 pm

wpmiller42 wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:57 pm
Superbone wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:22 pm
INF wrote:2020 Draft: Aaron Nesmith - Paul Reed - Reggie Perry - Leandro Bolmaro - Lamine Diane - Jalen Smith - Desmond Bane - Rayshaun Hammonds - Sam Merrill - Tre Jones - Tyler Bey
One of these days, the Suns are actually going to take one of your guys! It's not like you haven't left them lots of choices.
I hope this is the year and we end up with Paul Reed.
Honestly, I think he's vastly underrated. I would take Reed at 10 if I had to, but of course I'd rather trade back in the draft to get him and pick up assets along the way. But I do think he's a top 10 player in this draft.

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Re: NBA FA 2020 & Suns FA targets

Post by Superbone » Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:04 pm

Cap wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:10 pm
INFORMER wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:04 pm
Superbone wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:22 pm
INF wrote:2020 Draft: Aaron Nesmith - Paul Reed - Reggie Perry - Leandro Bolmaro - Lamine Diane - Jalen Smith - Desmond Bane - Rayshaun Hammonds - Sam Merrill - Tre Jones - Tyler Bey
One of these days, the Suns are actually going to take one of your guys! It's not like you haven't left them lots of choices.
Since 2003, it has happened a few times (not very good results):

2018 - Elie Okobo
2014 - TJ Warren
2012 - Kendall Marshall
2011 - Markieff Morris
2009 - Earl Clark
2003 - Zarko Cabarkapa
Kieff was your guy? I’m never listening to you again.
:lol: Marshall and Clark were the bigger busts.
Wormwood/Superbone 2019/2020 season bet: Suns win < 30 games, Wormwood wins, else 'Bone wins. 1 month avatar shame starting July 1st of winner's choosing. (Note: Requires full 82 game season.)

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Re: NBA FA 2020 & Suns FA targets

Post by INFORMER » Thu Jul 23, 2020 10:10 pm

Cap wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:10 pm
INFORMER wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:04 pm
Superbone wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:22 pm
INF wrote:2020 Draft: Aaron Nesmith - Paul Reed - Reggie Perry - Leandro Bolmaro - Lamine Diane - Jalen Smith - Desmond Bane - Rayshaun Hammonds - Sam Merrill - Tre Jones - Tyler Bey
One of these days, the Suns are actually going to take one of your guys! It's not like you haven't left them lots of choices.
Since 2003, it has happened a few times (not very good results):

2018 - Elie Okobo
2014 - TJ Warren
2012 - Kendall Marshall
2011 - Markieff Morris
2009 - Earl Clark
2003 - Zarko Cabarkapa
Kieff was your guy? I’m never listening to you again.
:lol:
2020 Draft: Aaron Nesmith - Paul Reed - Reggie Perry - Leandro Bolmaro - Lamine Diane - Jalen Smith - Desmond Bane - Rayshaun Hammonds - Sam Merrill - Tre Jones - Tyler Bey

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Re: NBA FA 2020 & Suns FA targets

Post by Cap » Thu Jul 23, 2020 10:25 pm

Superbone wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:04 pm
Cap wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:10 pm
INFORMER wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:04 pm
Superbone wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:22 pm
INF wrote:2020 Draft: Aaron Nesmith - Paul Reed - Reggie Perry - Leandro Bolmaro - Lamine Diane - Jalen Smith - Desmond Bane - Rayshaun Hammonds - Sam Merrill - Tre Jones - Tyler Bey
One of these days, the Suns are actually going to take one of your guys! It's not like you haven't left them lots of choices.
Since 2003, it has happened a few times (not very good results):

2018 - Elie Okobo
2014 - TJ Warren
2012 - Kendall Marshall
2011 - Markieff Morris
2009 - Earl Clark
2003 - Zarko Cabarkapa
Kieff was your guy? I’m never listening to you again.
:lol: Marshall and Clark were the bigger busts.
At least they had the virtue of not being picked over Kawhi. And not being fucking assholes.
JJ will be better than KP when all is said and done [in 2020]. Mark it. — AIG, with Indy betting against

My [2019-20] prediction is better than mid 30s... mark it down! — Superbone

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Re: NBA FA 2020 & Suns FA targets

Post by Superbone » Thu Jul 23, 2020 11:27 pm

Cap wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 10:25 pm
Superbone wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:04 pm
Cap wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:10 pm
INFORMER wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:04 pm
Superbone wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:22 pm


One of these days, the Suns are actually going to take one of your guys! It's not like you haven't left them lots of choices.
Since 2003, it has happened a few times (not very good results):

2018 - Elie Okobo
2014 - TJ Warren
2012 - Kendall Marshall
2011 - Markieff Morris
2009 - Earl Clark
2003 - Zarko Cabarkapa
Kieff was your guy? I’m never listening to you again.
:lol: Marshall and Clark were the bigger busts.
At least they had the virtue of not being picked over Kawhi. And not being fucking assholes.
True. Clark was especially frustrating though with that adonis body and skills of grade schooler.
Wormwood/Superbone 2019/2020 season bet: Suns win < 30 games, Wormwood wins, else 'Bone wins. 1 month avatar shame starting July 1st of winner's choosing. (Note: Requires full 82 game season.)

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Re: NBA Draft 2020

Post by In2ition » Fri Jul 24, 2020 7:36 am

INFORMER wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:10 pm
In2ition wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:54 pm
I think the offseason could be something like the following:
Draft - Suns pick between: Riller, Anthony, Vassell, Toppin(if he falls)
I'm not understanding the appeal of Riller.
Riller is a good athlete and shooter that can create for himself and score at all 3 levels. Booker is freed up more with this type of player next to him. If the defense has to be aware of a shooter and scorer that can also drive to the basket, they can't load up on Booker all the time. His drives lead to help defense off of Devin, which frees him off ball.
"30 wins would be an extremely disappointing season" yeah, I said it and I mean it.

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Re: NBA Draft 2020

Post by In2ition » Fri Jul 24, 2020 7:40 am

INFORMER wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 6:53 pm
In2ition wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:46 pm
With the development(I admit this is premature and may not even happen when games count, but humor me) that there will be many jumbo lineups in the NBA next season in the Western conference, with the Lakers, Portland, Memphis, & Denver, do any of you think it might be something to think about when picking if Wiseman or Poku are available with the Suns pick?
I just feel that there are players that can fit the Suns better than Wiseman. I get he has a lot of appeal due to his athleticism and size, but I just feel Haliburton, Ball, and Hayes could all have a bigger impact on this team.

Poku is just too much of a gamble at 10. I feel there are too many players that have a higher probability to succeed ahead of him.
You could be right. I like the development that the staff has done with Ayton and Saric tbh. I think they could do the same if not better with Wiseman or Poku over time. At which point, they become very high level players for the Suns or highly coveted by other teams. The length on the floor is appealing.
"30 wins would be an extremely disappointing season" yeah, I said it and I mean it.

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Re: NBA Draft 2020

Post by INFORMER » Fri Jul 24, 2020 1:00 pm

In2ition wrote:
Fri Jul 24, 2020 7:40 am
INFORMER wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 6:53 pm
In2ition wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:46 pm
With the development(I admit this is premature and may not even happen when games count, but humor me) that there will be many jumbo lineups in the NBA next season in the Western conference, with the Lakers, Portland, Memphis, & Denver, do any of you think it might be something to think about when picking if Wiseman or Poku are available with the Suns pick?
I just feel that there are players that can fit the Suns better than Wiseman. I get he has a lot of appeal due to his athleticism and size, but I just feel Haliburton, Ball, and Hayes could all have a bigger impact on this team.

Poku is just too much of a gamble at 10. I feel there are too many players that have a higher probability to succeed ahead of him.
You could be right. I like the development that the staff has done with Ayton and Saric tbh. I think they could do the same if not better with Wiseman or Poku over time. At which point, they become very high level players for the Suns or highly coveted by other teams. The length on the floor is appealing.
Saric didn't need development though. The player he is here is the player he has been. He has always had a skillset that lends itself to playing next to a interior presence.

You can't say that about Wiseman.
2020 Draft: Aaron Nesmith - Paul Reed - Reggie Perry - Leandro Bolmaro - Lamine Diane - Jalen Smith - Desmond Bane - Rayshaun Hammonds - Sam Merrill - Tre Jones - Tyler Bey

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Re: NBA Draft 2020

Post by INFORMER » Fri Jul 24, 2020 1:02 pm

In2ition wrote:
Fri Jul 24, 2020 7:36 am
INFORMER wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:10 pm
In2ition wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:54 pm
I think the offseason could be something like the following:
Draft - Suns pick between: Riller, Anthony, Vassell, Toppin(if he falls)
I'm not understanding the appeal of Riller.
Riller is a good athlete and shooter that can create for himself and score at all 3 levels. Booker is freed up more with this type of player next to him. If the defense has to be aware of a shooter and scorer that can also drive to the basket, they can't load up on Booker all the time. His drives lead to help defense off of Devin, which frees him off ball.
But he isn't a point guard. He is a scoring guard, and I don't see that meshing with 3 20 ppg scorers. Riller turns it over and is a limited passer. I think that is a bad fit with our Big 3 in the making.
2020 Draft: Aaron Nesmith - Paul Reed - Reggie Perry - Leandro Bolmaro - Lamine Diane - Jalen Smith - Desmond Bane - Rayshaun Hammonds - Sam Merrill - Tre Jones - Tyler Bey

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Re: NBA Draft 2020

Post by In2ition » Fri Jul 24, 2020 3:28 pm

INFORMER wrote:
Fri Jul 24, 2020 1:00 pm
In2ition wrote:
Fri Jul 24, 2020 7:40 am
INFORMER wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 6:53 pm
In2ition wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:46 pm
With the development(I admit this is premature and may not even happen when games count, but humor me) that there will be many jumbo lineups in the NBA next season in the Western conference, with the Lakers, Portland, Memphis, & Denver, do any of you think it might be something to think about when picking if Wiseman or Poku are available with the Suns pick?
I just feel that there are players that can fit the Suns better than Wiseman. I get he has a lot of appeal due to his athleticism and size, but I just feel Haliburton, Ball, and Hayes could all have a bigger impact on this team.

Poku is just too much of a gamble at 10. I feel there are too many players that have a higher probability to succeed ahead of him.
You could be right. I like the development that the staff has done with Ayton and Saric tbh. I think they could do the same if not better with Wiseman or Poku over time. At which point, they become very high level players for the Suns or highly coveted by other teams. The length on the floor is appealing.
Saric didn't need development though. The player he is here is the player he has been. He has always had a skillset that lends itself to playing next to a interior presence.

You can't say that about Wiseman.
When I talked about development, I meant skill and body. Saric didn't need work on skill, but apparently he's worked a bunch on his body this past couple months and looked a bit more spry and quick. With the new performance center opening up in early September, this should get even better...I hope.
"30 wins would be an extremely disappointing season" yeah, I said it and I mean it.

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Re: NBA Draft 2020

Post by In2ition » Fri Jul 24, 2020 3:44 pm

INFORMER wrote:
Fri Jul 24, 2020 1:02 pm
In2ition wrote:
Fri Jul 24, 2020 7:36 am
INFORMER wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:10 pm
In2ition wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:54 pm
I think the offseason could be something like the following:
Draft - Suns pick between: Riller, Anthony, Vassell, Toppin(if he falls)
I'm not understanding the appeal of Riller.
Riller is a good athlete and shooter that can create for himself and score at all 3 levels. Booker is freed up more with this type of player next to him. If the defense has to be aware of a shooter and scorer that can also drive to the basket, they can't load up on Booker all the time. His drives lead to help defense off of Devin, which frees him off ball.
But he isn't a point guard. He is a scoring guard, and I don't see that meshing with 3 20 ppg scorers. Riller turns it over and is a limited passer. I think that is a bad fit with our Big 3 in the making.
He was a PG, not much a distributor, but he improved at that every year and I think there is a decent possibility that he keeps improving in that aspect. I guess I don't see him as becoming a high level starting PG, but probably a really good backup immediately and probably a bit better than that down the line, depending on how he adapts to being a pro.
"30 wins would be an extremely disappointing season" yeah, I said it and I mean it.

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