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I want to keep Oubre. For Haliburton, I'd talk to ATL. Their GM has showed he is willing to trade down and gamble big; perhaps our #10 and a future 1stR can net us their #6, which probably secures one of Hali or Toppin. CLE (#5), DET (#7), NYK (#8) should be willing to listen too.

I'd be all in on that kind of trade.

We should try and trade Ty Jerome for a pick in the 30s. Maybe NYK @ 38. There will be interesting players available there that better fit our roster, like Paul Reed or Tyler Bey or Daniel Oturu.

That’s my dream scenario, but I doubt anyone gives us anything for Jerome

Split T wrote: ↑

Sun Aug 23, 2020 1:09 pm

That’s my dream scenario, but I doubt anyone gives us anything for Jerome

In Suns’ world we don’t get anything for players. We pay other teams to take him off our hands.

The last thing the Suns should be doing in this draft is trading up.

Superbone wrote: ↑

Sun Aug 23, 2020 3:12 pm

Split T wrote: ↑

Sun Aug 23, 2020 1:09 pm

That’s my dream scenario, but I doubt anyone gives us anything for Jerome

In Suns’ world we don’t get anything for players. We pay other teams to take him off our hands.

That's the precedent set by our GMs. Act like a fool and be treated like a fool.

Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑

Sun Aug 23, 2020 4:03 pm

The last thing the Suns should be doing in this draft is trading up.

Why? Every draft has talent. It's great to have tiers and a big board and what not, but when you believe you have a guy, you secure him if you can (depending on price, of course).

It's not just about talent. It's about value based talent.

The difference between the 10th pick and the 5th pick is roughly $1.5M per season and everything I've read and seen about this draft tells me that there's not much of a difference between the 4th pick and the 20th pick.

Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑

Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:06 pm

It's not just about talent. It's about value based talent.

The difference between the 10th pick and the 5th pick is roughly $1.5M per season and everything I've read and seen about this draft tells me that there's not much of a difference between the 4th pick and the 20th pick.

I don't mind giving up value if I get my guy. I can settle for others, but I'd be ecstatic if PHX walked away from this draft with Haliburton or Toppin. To me, that's worth a future 1stR depending on protections, regardless of how many prospects are considered to be on a similar level to those two.

Neither of them are worth an extra first round pick, IMO.

Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 24, 2020 2:53 am

Neither of them are worth an extra first round pick, IMO.

If saving money is a priority, if we use a future draft pick to move up in the current draft, that future salary we are no longer paying can net off against the cost of the current higher draft pick.

If you see someone you like you have to go for it.

3rdside wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 24, 2020 3:00 am

Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 24, 2020 2:53 am

Neither of them are worth an extra first round pick, IMO.

If saving money is a priority, if we use a future draft pick to move up in the current draft, that future salary we are no longer paying can net off against the cost of the current higher draft pick.

If you see someone you like you have to go for it.

Sure.

The lottery and first round in general are littered with role players, and I don't think any of them are really worth giving up an additional asset besides a fringe roster player to get. I'd rather see them trade back and pick up an asset.

Haliburton, Okoro, Toppin, Avdija.. Whatever. One is just as much of a risk as the next to me.

Fair enough.

Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑

Sun Aug 23, 2020 4:03 pm

The last thing the Suns should be doing in this draft is trading up.

Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 24, 2020 2:53 am

Neither of them are worth an extra first round pick, IMO.

Agreed. I have no desire to invest additional assets to trade up.

Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 24, 2020 5:00 am

Haliburton, Okoro, Toppin, Avdija.. Whatever. One is just as much of a risk as the next to me.

I disagree on Toppin. I think his floor is a starter. I don't see hardly any risk with him.

INFORMER wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:20 pm

Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 24, 2020 5:00 am

Haliburton, Okoro, Toppin, Avdija.. Whatever. One is just as much of a risk as the next to me.

I disagree on Toppin. I think his floor is a starter. I don't see hardly any risk with him.

Toppin would be a solid pick. At this point, they should draft the best player available. This will likely be our last pick this high for a while- hopefully. Make it count or use it to truly upgrade the roster.

INFORMER wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:20 pm

Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 24, 2020 5:00 am

Haliburton, Okoro, Toppin, Avdija.. Whatever. One is just as much of a risk as the next to me.

I disagree on Toppin. I think his floor is a starter. I don't see hardly any risk with him.

Dominating mid-major talent and youthful athleticism are there, but I question just about everything else.

INFORMER wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:20 pm

Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 24, 2020 5:00 am

Haliburton, Okoro, Toppin, Avdija.. Whatever. One is just as much of a risk as the next to me.

I disagree on Toppin. I think his floor is a starter. I don't see hardly any risk with him.

And that's not worth a future 1stR (assuming it doesn't have stupid light protection)?

Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:01 am

INFORMER wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:20 pm

Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 24, 2020 5:00 am

Haliburton, Okoro, Toppin, Avdija.. Whatever. One is just as much of a risk as the next to me.

I disagree on Toppin. I think his floor is a starter. I don't see hardly any risk with him.

And that's not worth a future 1stR (assuming it doesn't have stupid light protection)?

I was going to ask the same question.