Game Day: Suns (22-34) @ Bulls (19-37), Sat 2/22/20
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Re: Game Day: Suns (22-34) @ Bulls (19-37), Sat 2/22/20
Mitchell Robinson has always been a project. So has Ayton to a fair degree, but people don’t accept projects for the #1 pick.
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Re: Game Day: Suns (22-34) @ Bulls (19-37), Sat 2/22/20
I wouldn't call Ayton a project. It's more about maximizing his potential.
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Re: Game Day: Suns (22-34) @ Bulls (19-37), Sat 2/22/20
I don't really think the definition fits Ayton. To me a "project" is a player who is so raw that you almost can't even play him, or his negatives can outweigh his positives. You put him out there to grow, but your team stinks and he's making a million mistakes, and he clearly has major gaps in his knowledge of the game.
The fact that a player can and does improve a lot isn't enough to label that player a "project." Ayton's too good and too NBA-ready already to use that label on him IMO.
The fact that a player can and does improve a lot isn't enough to label that player a "project." Ayton's too good and too NBA-ready already to use that label on him IMO.
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Re: Game Day: Suns (22-34) @ Bulls (19-37), Sat 2/22/20
+1Mori Chu wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:30 pmI don't really think the definition fits Ayton. To me a "project" is a player who is so raw that you almost can't even play him, or his negatives can outweigh his positives. You put him out there to grow, but your team stinks and he's making a million mistakes, and he clearly has major gaps in his knowledge of the game.
The fact that a player can and does improve a lot isn't enough to label that player a "project." Ayton's too good and too NBA-ready already to use that label on him IMO.
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Re: Game Day: Suns (22-34) @ Bulls (19-37), Sat 2/22/20
Dragan Bender is/was a project. As Mori said, a player with upside but is far removed from being NBA regular or starter ready.Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 5:23 pmMitchell Robinson has always been a project. So has Ayton to a fair degree, but people don’t accept projects for the #1 pick.
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Re: Game Day: Suns (22-34) @ Bulls (19-37), Sat 2/22/20
This.INFORMER wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:46 pmI think we can leave Young out of this and just discuss Doncic. He is the best player on a winning team and is putting up Hall-of-Fame numbers in his second year in the league. It really isn't that complicated or debatable. It doesn't mean that Ayton is a bust or that he is worthless; but it really isn't close right now.specialsauce wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2020 6:11 pmYou may like watching Doncic play more, and the league may be slanted more in the favor of perimeter oriented players, but it’s a hard sell to me that Doncic or Young are better overall players at this point. They only impact one end of the court and are more liabilities on the other (Young is much worse). I think Ayton will end up closing the gap offensively, and on defense IMO he’s already shown he will be elite
Re: Game Day: Suns (22-34) @ Bulls (19-37), Sat 2/22/20
I'd trade Booker for Doncic immediately, no hesitation. He's that sort of difference maker.
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Re: Game Day: Suns (22-34) @ Bulls (19-37), Sat 2/22/20
I am curious how many GMs in the league would not trade their #1 guy for Doncic straight up. Probably less than 7 or 8. Bucks and Lakers, likely Houston and Clips, maybe NOLA, ATL, Philly? Who am I missing?Sad Suns Fan wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 9:51 amI'd trade Booker for Doncic immediately, no hesitation. He's that sort of difference maker.
Re: Game Day: Suns (22-34) @ Bulls (19-37), Sat 2/22/20
I think the only definite no’s would be Giannis, Lebron, AD, and Kawhi. Houston may not want to trade Harden, but they’d be crazy not to. Luka keeps their title window open longer. I think NOLA would keep Zion, but not sure that would be the right choice. Atlanta would also be crazy not to move Trae. Philly would also be better off swapping either Embiid or Simmons for Doncic.
Denver and Jokic? They might prefer Jokic.
Only other one I can think of is Golden State with Curry. They won’t trade him.
Denver and Jokic? They might prefer Jokic.
Only other one I can think of is Golden State with Curry. They won’t trade him.
Re: Game Day: Suns (22-34) @ Bulls (19-37), Sat 2/22/20
Yeah I thought of Curry at the beginning but forgot to write him in. But they would be better off with Luka too, much like Houston.
Re: Game Day: Suns (22-34) @ Bulls (19-37), Sat 2/22/20
Great post.Mori Chu wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:30 pmI don't really think the definition fits Ayton. To me a "project" is a player who is so raw that you almost can't even play him, or his negatives can outweigh his positives. You put him out there to grow, but your team stinks and he's making a million mistakes, and he clearly has major gaps in his knowledge of the game.
The fact that a player can and does improve a lot isn't enough to label that player a "project." Ayton's too good and too NBA-ready already to use that label on him IMO.
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