Re: NBA FA 2020 & Suns FA targets
Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 9:30 am
That's what I was going to say. Maybe he lost favor because he blows our leads every time he comes in.
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That's what I was going to say. Maybe he lost favor because he blows our leads every time he comes in.
I think it’s ok at the PG position, but I think it’s far from one of the best we’ve ever had. It’s one of the most pg dominant drafts we’ve ever had, but that’s mostly because the other positions are weak. 2017 was a better pg draft. I think Fultz, Ball, and Fox would all have been the top pg in this draft.In2ition wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 8:14 amThis draft is weak overall, but not at the PG position. It's one of the strongest PG drafts we've ever had. I can't tell you who is going to shine and who exactly is going to bust, but time should tell. Jerome has a lot to like. He has strong skills and bballiq and court sense is very good. His problem is that speed and quickness is a liability at this time. Can it improve? Hopefully, but it's up to him. He needs to improve his strength, flexibility and his body fat % at the same time. That's not easy for everyone, and he may think he's at the peak of his potential in those matters. Honestly, he needs to learn what Nash did and take it to that level or he might just be an end of the bench guy for his career, if not move on to Europe or China.pickle wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 12:22 amHonestly I never quite understood the Jerome selection... why are we in such a rush to draft more point guards when we didn't know what to do with the ones we already had on the roster (at the time Melton and Okobo, now Carter and Okobo, and Lecque). Didn't realize Jerome is 6'5. Also a little scary that a guy who is possibly not gonna be drafted in the 2nd round in this coming draft which is being panned as a weak one is better than Jerome whom we picked up in the late first in last year's stronger draft. I guess the defeatist in my as a Suns fan is kicking in.In2ition wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:35 amThis might seem wild, but one scenario that has me intrigued is the following(but I admit highly unlikely):
2. Buy a draft pick in the 2nd round and draft Arturs Zagars. I am not sure that he will even be drafted or will keep his name in the draft, but I really like this kid from Latvia. He's much quicker than Jerome, and I think he's a better passer and shooter than him(even though those are 2 of Ty's strengths). He's 2 inches shorter(6'3") and he's slight right now, but it doesn't mean a huge deal in the NBA as we see with Trae, Curry and Nash before them. He's also very good at finishing at the rim and has tried to copy Kyrie in this aspect. His bballiq and court awareness is outstanding, imo. He's like a lower usage Trae type of PG. His English is also already very good.
I was never all that huge on Fultz. I still think this one could be one of the best PG drafts.Split T wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 6:26 pmI think it’s ok at the PG position, but I think it’s far from one of the best we’ve ever had. It’s one of the most pg dominant drafts we’ve ever had, but that’s mostly because the other positions are weak. 2017 was a better pg draft. I think Fultz, Ball, and Fox would all have been the top pg in this draft.In2ition wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 8:14 amThis draft is weak overall, but not at the PG position. It's one of the strongest PG drafts we've ever had. I can't tell you who is going to shine and who exactly is going to bust, but time should tell. Jerome has a lot to like. He has strong skills and bballiq and court sense is very good. His problem is that speed and quickness is a liability at this time. Can it improve? Hopefully, but it's up to him. He needs to improve his strength, flexibility and his body fat % at the same time. That's not easy for everyone, and he may think he's at the peak of his potential in those matters. Honestly, he needs to learn what Nash did and take it to that level or he might just be an end of the bench guy for his career, if not move on to Europe or China.pickle wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 12:22 amHonestly I never quite understood the Jerome selection... why are we in such a rush to draft more point guards when we didn't know what to do with the ones we already had on the roster (at the time Melton and Okobo, now Carter and Okobo, and Lecque). Didn't realize Jerome is 6'5. Also a little scary that a guy who is possibly not gonna be drafted in the 2nd round in this coming draft which is being panned as a weak one is better than Jerome whom we picked up in the late first in last year's stronger draft. I guess the defeatist in my as a Suns fan is kicking in.In2ition wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:35 amThis might seem wild, but one scenario that has me intrigued is the following(but I admit highly unlikely):
2. Buy a draft pick in the 2nd round and draft Arturs Zagars. I am not sure that he will even be drafted or will keep his name in the draft, but I really like this kid from Latvia. He's much quicker than Jerome, and I think he's a better passer and shooter than him(even though those are 2 of Ty's strengths). He's 2 inches shorter(6'3") and he's slight right now, but it doesn't mean a huge deal in the NBA as we see with Trae, Curry and Nash before them. He's also very good at finishing at the rim and has tried to copy Kyrie in this aspect. His bballiq and court awareness is outstanding, imo. He's like a lower usage Trae type of PG. His English is also already very good.
We’ll see. I haven’t spent much time scouting this draft, so my opinions could be pretty far off. I like Halliburton and Hayes. Maledon is interesting. I don’t know that Anthony Edwards is really a pg, more of a 2. He’s a physical talent, but struggling a bit this year. Cole Anthony was supposed to be a candidate for the top pick, but seems to have dropped to the end of the lottery. He got hurt before I ever really watched him, so not sure what to think there either. Nico Mannion should probably stay in school. As for LaMelo, I have no idea what to think. I haven’t watched him at all.In2ition wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 9:19 pmI was never all that huge on Fultz. I still think this one could be one of the best PG drafts.Split T wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 6:26 pmI think it’s ok at the PG position, but I think it’s far from one of the best we’ve ever had. It’s one of the most pg dominant drafts we’ve ever had, but that’s mostly because the other positions are weak. 2017 was a better pg draft. I think Fultz, Ball, and Fox would all have been the top pg in this draft.In2ition wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 8:14 amThis draft is weak overall, but not at the PG position. It's one of the strongest PG drafts we've ever had. I can't tell you who is going to shine and who exactly is going to bust, but time should tell. Jerome has a lot to like. He has strong skills and bballiq and court sense is very good. His problem is that speed and quickness is a liability at this time. Can it improve? Hopefully, but it's up to him. He needs to improve his strength, flexibility and his body fat % at the same time. That's not easy for everyone, and he may think he's at the peak of his potential in those matters. Honestly, he needs to learn what Nash did and take it to that level or he might just be an end of the bench guy for his career, if not move on to Europe or China.pickle wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 12:22 amHonestly I never quite understood the Jerome selection... why are we in such a rush to draft more point guards when we didn't know what to do with the ones we already had on the roster (at the time Melton and Okobo, now Carter and Okobo, and Lecque). Didn't realize Jerome is 6'5. Also a little scary that a guy who is possibly not gonna be drafted in the 2nd round in this coming draft which is being panned as a weak one is better than Jerome whom we picked up in the late first in last year's stronger draft. I guess the defeatist in my as a Suns fan is kicking in.In2ition wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:35 amThis might seem wild, but one scenario that has me intrigued is the following(but I admit highly unlikely):
2. Buy a draft pick in the 2nd round and draft Arturs Zagars. I am not sure that he will even be drafted or will keep his name in the draft, but I really like this kid from Latvia. He's much quicker than Jerome, and I think he's a better passer and shooter than him(even though those are 2 of Ty's strengths). He's 2 inches shorter(6'3") and he's slight right now, but it doesn't mean a huge deal in the NBA as we see with Trae, Curry and Nash before them. He's also very good at finishing at the rim and has tried to copy Kyrie in this aspect. His bballiq and court awareness is outstanding, imo. He's like a lower usage Trae type of PG. His English is also already very good.
I have no issue with drafting older college players. I wasn't as upset about the Cam Johnson as most pundits, and I can understand what Jones is going for. My point is, we had several point guards on the roster already that were the hottest thing last year, and the Jerome pick seems to mark a move away from those players within 1 year. If we are looking at yet more pg prospects now, it would seem we will be moving away from Jerome again. Why do we not give our existing prospects a little more time and opportunity to fail? If we think Okobo is not the answer after leaving him on a shitty team with little support and pulling him after he gives up our leads, we'll likely be repeating the same with Jerome, and the same with whomever we nab in this upcoming draft. I'm a little sick of seeing our young guys go to other teams to become real rotation players. Chriss seems to have found a second life in SF, and Josh is no longer a detriment in Memphis. And Melton in fact held the highest +/- for the Grizzlies for a while... All of this frustrates me immensely.ShelC wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 7:53 ampickle wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 12:22 amHonestly I never quite understood the Jerome selection... why are we in such a rush to draft more point guards when we didn't know what to do with the ones we already had on the roster (at the time Melton and Okobo, now Carter and Okobo, and Lecque). Didn't realize Jerome is 6'5. Also a little scary that a guy who is possibly not gonna be drafted in the 2nd round in this coming draft which is being panned as a weak one is better than Jerome whom we picked up in the late first in last year's stronger draft. I guess the defeatist in my as a Suns fan is kicking in.In2ition wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:35 amThis might seem wild, but one scenario that has me intrigued is the following(but I admit highly unlikely):
2. Buy a draft pick in the 2nd round and draft Arturs Zagars. I am not sure that he will even be drafted or will keep his name in the draft, but I really like this kid from Latvia. He's much quicker than Jerome, and I think he's a better passer and shooter than him(even though those are 2 of Ty's strengths). He's 2 inches shorter(6'3") and he's slight right now, but it doesn't mean a huge deal in the NBA as we see with Trae, Curry and Nash before them. He's also very good at finishing at the rim and has tried to copy Kyrie in this aspect. His bballiq and court awareness is outstanding, imo. He's like a lower usage Trae type of PG. His English is also already very good.
I think Jones/Monty/the FO knew they needed winning college vets on the roster, if only to bring a work ethic and professionalism to the lockerroom and practice court. 4 years of college weeds out the knuckleheads or guys who aren't serious about basketball. Staying and getting the experience of playing for winning programs, winning championships over 4 years can do more for a team than another raw, 18 yr old project with potential, even if they don't play much.
Bad ball clubs can't identify talent - I made the argument at the start of the season that getting rid of bad characters was a price worth paying to improve team culture but it's hard to justify when there's three dudes we jettisoned that all look like NBA players, two of them lottery picks.pickle wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 6:14 pmI have no issue with drafting older college players. I wasn't as upset about the Cam Johnson as most pundits, and I can understand what Jones is going for. My point is, we had several point guards on the roster already that were the hottest thing last year, and the Jerome pick seems to mark a move away from those players within 1 year. If we are looking at yet more pg prospects now, it would seem we will be moving away from Jerome again. Why do we not give our existing prospects a little more time and opportunity to fail? If we think Okobo is not the answer after leaving him on a shitty team with little support and pulling him after he gives up our leads, we'll likely be repeating the same with Jerome, and the same with whomever we nab in this upcoming draft. I'm a little sick of seeing our young guys go to other teams to become real rotation players. Chriss seems to have found a second life in SF, and Josh is no longer a detriment in Memphis. And Melton in fact held the highest +/- for the Grizzlies for a while... All of this frustrates me immensely.ShelC wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 7:53 ampickle wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 12:22 amHonestly I never quite understood the Jerome selection... why are we in such a rush to draft more point guards when we didn't know what to do with the ones we already had on the roster (at the time Melton and Okobo, now Carter and Okobo, and Lecque). Didn't realize Jerome is 6'5. Also a little scary that a guy who is possibly not gonna be drafted in the 2nd round in this coming draft which is being panned as a weak one is better than Jerome whom we picked up in the late first in last year's stronger draft. I guess the defeatist in my as a Suns fan is kicking in.In2ition wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:35 amThis might seem wild, but one scenario that has me intrigued is the following(but I admit highly unlikely):
2. Buy a draft pick in the 2nd round and draft Arturs Zagars. I am not sure that he will even be drafted or will keep his name in the draft, but I really like this kid from Latvia. He's much quicker than Jerome, and I think he's a better passer and shooter than him(even though those are 2 of Ty's strengths). He's 2 inches shorter(6'3") and he's slight right now, but it doesn't mean a huge deal in the NBA as we see with Trae, Curry and Nash before them. He's also very good at finishing at the rim and has tried to copy Kyrie in this aspect. His bballiq and court awareness is outstanding, imo. He's like a lower usage Trae type of PG. His English is also already very good.
I think Jones/Monty/the FO knew they needed winning college vets on the roster, if only to bring a work ethic and professionalism to the lockerroom and practice court. 4 years of college weeds out the knuckleheads or guys who aren't serious about basketball. Staying and getting the experience of playing for winning programs, winning championships over 4 years can do more for a team than another raw, 18 yr old project with potential, even if they don't play much.
I have been pining for him for a while. I would trade a lot to get him.Vladimir_Taltos wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:26 pmI still wish we had gone out and gotten Dinwiddie...